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I would be grateful if anyone could share their impressions of these readings. Feelings keep surging for someone irrationally, and I can't help feeling this is wrong (the reality that there's now nothing).

1. Do I just have to trust that things are as they're meant to be? (as in there's nothing I can/should do)
44.3 > 6

Describes my feelings completely!
There is danger of your being influenced by an inner weakness, but circumstances are temporarily preventing it. As much as you might like to indulge a certain petty desire, you must not do so, at least not right now. Indecision, in such a situation, can actually be helpful, if it leads to insight and proper action in the long run.

Nigel Richmond: He learns to respect circumstances by experience. Not bowing to circumstanes he makes his way LIKE WALKING WAIST HIGH IN THORN SCRUB'


2. Is this by some miracle going in the direction I wish for?
58
Joyous exchange/inner joy

3. Is he attracted to me
51.1,3 > 62
Aroused in a good way? Or directly about me - shocked into a realisation that I am to stay in the (bird) nest...

4. Does hex 58 refer to aiming for being happy without him?
8.3,5,6 > 52

Here I don't know whether to give precedence to the lines which are negative (8.3: wrong person; 8.5: should not have to force people to join you; 8.6: too little too late...), or positively - holding together requires strengh and purpose (like a mountain)..?

5. Has he forgotten me?
59.1 > 61
( I thought before asking this if I received 59 that would be saying it is forgotten!) But line 1 talks of the importance of over-coming misunderstandings...

6. What is my role, to act out?
26.3 > 41

This has me stumped - does it just mean go ahead as I am (not going out of my way and serously consider contacting him), and 41... hold back. But then it talks of working with people on the same wavelength (which I felt he was in the strongest way I've felt with anyone before)

Working with people of like minds and strong wills brings good fortune. In the period immediately following the removal of a major roadblock, take care to remain alert not only for challenges ahead, but also for threats approaching from the rear. If the “obstacle” was your own attitude, you may have to remove the roadblock more than once. This is best accomplished by joining with others whose powers of focussed attention are perhaps stronger than your own.

My major challenge seems to be living with these strong emotions and being unable to express them. But then feeling if I let it go, it's all wrong... But if he doesn't sense in me what I sense in him, then that's that.

7. Is it just not in his nature to care for mine?
51.3,4 > 36

51.3> shock inducing movement
51.4> the shock of fate (the truth hurts)
36 > hide your light (be prepared for pain), or hidden potential/light?

I feel slightly embarrassed about all these... I'm trying to bring it to conclusion, but I just feel such loss ahead, related to this issue...

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Do I just have to trust that things are as they're meant to be? Is this by some miracle going in the direction I wish for? Is he attracted to me? Does hex 58 refer to aiming for being happy without him? Has he forgotten me? What is my role, to act out? Is it just not in his nature to care for mine?
We have: things as they meant to be and directions as they are wished for. His attraction to you and his forgetting and his nature to care. The aim of being happy through a role that has to be acted out.

How about 1 simple question, instead of 7 questions that mention you only indirectly?
Something along the line of: Do I treat him right?

By posing theoretical questions and by looking for the motives of others you risk becoming more confused by using I Ching; let stand if you pile such questions on top of each other.
 

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Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for the suggestion. I did as you said. Basically I know I made some mistakes with this person but I did try to make it up and was honest...

I received unchanging Hex 39
I think this reflects how I approached this whole thing in the wrong way ultimately. Or maybe that I need to try and reverse my thinking about it all. It's very confusing, just when I think my feelings can't go up again they do and vice versa...


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Raise your hands over your head and slowly step away from the coins.

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Hey, I gave some food for thought on your questions as the source of it all: "How about 1 simple question, instead of 7 questions that mention you only indirectly? Something along the line of: Do I treat him right?"
 

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Hi Lloyd,

I did ask that question as mentioned above and received hex 39. I think that may be because, that is not the issue anymore. I have not spoken to him for a while. Road-block. Hence my suffering. I guess I tried to express myself to him but he didn't want to hear it. But I didn't change my route of thinking/doing...

I asked what is the energy 'between us' (or in the situation in my unconscious) now?
30.3 > 21
30.3 > I think that means don't let your emotions rely too heavily on what happens out there, good or bad....
21 > Don't know how to go about biting through, because I'm still not hearing the truth of the situation I suppose.

Eek.
 

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Hollis,

I guess you were being sarcastic about this post. Fair enough.
It helps to send it out there and doubly so if people respond - it's all about learning and I am still a pupil of the Iching, of life... and there is so much good advice and insight given on this site so I thought I'd try my luck... but I don't mean to exasperate.

But deep down I know that given the situation I'm in - I should try to think less, and yes that includes weaning myself off I ching readings which I suppose I've been using to help me keep clutching at straws. I suppose when you don't know what to believe anymore, believe nothing. This is a hex 23 issue I know deep down (I think, though that's never absolute) - I just have to ride the storm. Sit tight. But understanding - hearing objectve opinions and angles I hadn't considered before does wonders for sobering me up and also is an education - and a reminder that everyone can draw on their own experiences to help each other. But I know this is a silly issue in the great scheme of things, but in my scheme of things at present, it's quite big :rolleyes:

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em I am sorry, really did not respond in sarcasm. I related to your questions, and the laugh you had over them, and thought you were a good sport, as your questions were sincere. I tried to take my comment out, because it seemed rather insincere of me to come in and not offer any takes on your readings. I feel nervous to offer feedback on readings. of course i have years and years of readings about dysfunctional one thing or other, i just could relate to you.
 

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I asked as you said: Do I treat him right?
I received unchanging Hex 39 (I think I approached this whole thing in the wrong way. Maybe I need to reverse my thinking about it all)
After Contrariety (38) there follows Adversity (39).
38 gave the advice to differentiate among things without losing sight of what they may have in common.
39 indicates that this differentiation was not completed, so 39 is about touching ground (back to the drawing board) and consulting people who are familiar with your problems (great man). 39 indicates difficulties and it is smart to halt (pause) when faced with difficulties. While you halt, you reflect upon yourself and cultivate ‘virtues’ (Image text).
Read the texts of all the lines in progression, to see how things move when faced with Adversity.
In some sense your conclusion is right, you may have done some things wrong; but the idea to go in the reverse mode is not called for. In fact, there are no changing lines, so you don’t know. Hexagrams with unchanging lines show us the atmosphere in which we find ourselves, without proposing particular actions or conclusions.
Take things slow, see how it works out, don't rush to conclusions.

PS One may sometimes sympathize with their targets, but meng DOES have a knack for great one-liners ;) !

Meanwhile....
 
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Thanks Hollis :blush: :hug:
I think I was a little over-sensitive there, because when I saw you'd changed your comment to a dot I thought the hilarity had changed to exasperation. I think probably because I feel now that I'm slightly letting myself down pouring so much energy into this via I ching readings - I think at this point I should find a different outlet - but it's definitely always a great way to discover hidden meanings or aspects of lines that you wouldn't otherwise have discovered (if things were proceeding functionally). Glad you can relate to :)

I did find Meng's comment funny - step away from the coins (lol), I did ask (knowing full well that I did) whether I was over-doing the Yi on this now (34. 3 > 54 the goat butts and gets entangled (see my previous thread).. but then I'm not taking my own or the Yi's advice it seems lol.

Thanks Lloyd - I am definitely halted (rock and a hard place (doing nothing feels just as wrong as attempting something).
But I must learn to listen to the signs and not try to over-ride them! A cat wouldn't I'm sure :) although... Curiousity killed the cat eh :)

So a static hexagram just says it as it is - but that there's no action to take? No possible avenue open to you at this time for a change of direction? Makes sense.
I asked the I ching - am I putting too much energy into this?

Hex 1 unchanging.

Amazing. That's pure yang energy alright! :rofl:

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of course i have years and years of readings about dysfunctional one thing or other,.
love that as a quote for a signature :rofl:

of course if i use it i will reference you as the author ;)
 

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that there's no action to take? No possible avenue open to you at this time for a change of direction?
No action, no life. The thing here is to go with the flow and the six line texts may be an indication of that flow.
 

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em_ching, if your emotions are overwhelming then 'they' are trying to say something your consciousness may be repressing. The traditional IC methods can miss these sorts of details or lack consistency in their results so perhaps try out the Emotional I Ching program - (bottom of the home page of http://www.emotionaliching.com )

Note that there are no questions to ask, you are asked questions about 'the situation' and a hexagram or pair will result.
 

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Em though stay away from the coins was a joke its also probably about the best thing to do right now in that I can't see more questions will help at this point in time.....you are suffering from the pain of unrequited love, always anguished and obsessive without which a million songs would not have been written.....like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE9AwR0awVQ you are in the company of the Greats !

I find singing along to this very loudly in the car, really putting feeling into the "Cryyyyyiing Over Youuuu" quite therapeutic at such times...Roy is so great for heartbreak...he knew a thing or two about it I think..but you probably have your own favourites to shout along to. ( and right at the end when they shout "I'll always be crying over you" some small part of me says 'well no i won't actually' ;))

Not meaning to be flippant :hug: but theres alot of questions there and i wonder even if someone tried to answer all of them they'd get lost and not be much help
 

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Thanks Hollis :blush: :hug:
I think I was a little over-sensitive there, because when I saw you'd changed your comment to a dot I thought the hilarity had changed to exasperation. I think probably because I feel now that I'm slightly letting myself down pouring so much energy into this via I ching readings - I think at this point I should find a different outlet - but it's definitely always a great way to discover hidden meanings or aspects of lines that you wouldn't otherwise have discovered (if things were proceeding functionally). Glad you can relate to :)
:hug:thanks for understanding em, I hated that dot too.

"I asked the I ching - am I putting too much energy into this?

Hex 1 unchanging.

Amazing. That's pure yang energy alright!

"

amazing confirmation. a guidepost in the tumult of powerful feelings.



(Trojan,:rofl: no need to reference me on the quotation although I do not mind at all holding a banner for dysfunctional-ism. You know. If the shoe fits. ;)

elvis, i find your comment regarding strong emotions very resonate:
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'they' are trying to say something your consciousness may be repressing. ")

thanks Em.
 
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em I am sorry, really did not respond in sarcasm. I related to your questions, and the laugh you had over them, and thought you were a good sport, as your questions were sincere. I tried to take my comment out, because it seemed rather insincere of me to come in and not offer any takes on your readings. I feel nervous to offer feedback on readings. of course i have years and years of readings about dysfunctional one thing or other, i just could relate to you.
fwiw, I like reading your thoughts on readings, dysfunctional or otherwise. chuckle
 

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Hello all,

Elvis I tried the emotional I ching and it felt quite soothing going through the process - kind of like, let's bring this issue back into reality and find it's roots.
I received hex 41. Another calming effect.
I liked the section you have on the genotypes etc. how angles to consider of a situation in a hex 41 atmosphere relate to other hex's. Made sense reading through them, such as something like, 'what is the will here' (hex 1), 'what can be done' (hex 2). (I did save the page of results to try to put a link up here but didn't work unfortunately).

Trojan thanks for the song - good ole' wailers. Yes - defs good company, just think of Charlotte Bronte, etc etc. sometimes I'm not sure if some romantic films and novels just encourage people to devise their own fantasy love dramas lol. And I'm sure he has no idea the tears I've cried.

Yes love the one you're with, want what you have. I know so true! Probably gets easier as you get older.

Lao Tsu: 'Everything comes at it's appointed hour' (I guess if we got everything at once we wouldn't need to live so long :rolleyes:)

Last night I was also annoyed at myself for lacking self-discipline over this and other effects of my negative emotions, but also realizing that I need to respect the process - that my emotions need to be expressed and soothed, and the I ching is the best medicine! But I do feel I'm winding down today.

Chinese proverb: 'A wise man sees his faults (I'm defs wise then!) A courageous one corrects them (Need to visit the wizard of Oz for that one lol).

I asked today: Is it just a matter of unrequited love?
43.2,3,4 > 3
A breakthrough sprouting. Or at least saying that I need to detach my emotions from this issue, proceed and things will become clear - understanding will sprout.

Confirmation: Part of the difficulties accompanying the solo venture of life?
19.4,5 > 58
Maybe about learning how to find the right sort of exchange with people, equal give and take. How to approach with joy rather than need. Being happy on your own first, without depending on external sources of validation. Takes the pressure off for the fun times; sharing of ideas and experiences etc - the whole point of coming together I suppose!

Thanks all (from the bottom of my dysfunctional heart lol)
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Last night I was also annoyed at myself for lacking self-discipline over this and other effects of my negative emotions, but also realizing that I need to respect the process - that my emotions need to be expressed and soothed, and the I ching is the best medicine! But I do feel I'm winding down today.



I asked today: Is it just a matter of unrequited love?
43.2,3,4 > 3
A breakthrough sprouting. Or at least saying that I need to detach my emotions from this issue, proceed and things will become clear - understanding will sprout.


Thanks all (from the bottom of my dysfunctional heart lol)
:cool:
FWIW i think experiencing the pains of unrequited love..by which I'm meaning loving someone who does not reciprocate might be quite a spiritually useful, enriching experience...I mean noone said growth is easy or painless and I vote hex 3 as one of the most experientally painful hexagrams'...hmm just like real life giving birth. More than once when hit with a savage out the blue unpredicted depression I've asked "what is happening to me !" and got hex 3 unchanged. Hex 3 can be a whole mass of feelings taking alot of processing as something struggles to be born...I think you may be asking too much of yourself to expect to able to detach from your feelings..and why should you.


Don't get annoyed with yourself for feeling your authentic emotions. Feeling them is not just a waste of time IMO its part of your whole growth as a person.

Kahlil Gibran said "The deeper sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven ?"

Anyway i don't know if this is unrequited love or not (and i'm seeing the 43 as you dealing with a decisive statement like it is unrequited love or it isn't) and it sounds, understandably, like you can't handle that idea now anyway, you are still wanting to salvage something. And who is to say you won't.., but meanwhile the signs from him aren't what you want so you are left to deal with the feelings...one of these ways is to ask Yi many questions and it may help you to do that but others trying to interpret numerous answers re such an internal process, well its difficult

43 could indicate declaring your feelings to him., you say you don't think he knows how much you've cried. I'm not quite sure if you were with him as his girlfriend then broke up or if you were always just friends.

Would there be any use in being open about your feelings with him do you think ? Looking at the lines of 43 here I'm not sure that would be easy
 
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Hi Trojan,

Nope I don't think so. We had a very brief romance, then just friends, then he left town, and didn't keep in touch as I expected him too. Then I pushed it, he was going through his own difficulties, but I felt it would be hard enough to be in love with him when he was just a friend, but when I felt he didn't even consider me that I had to make a statement, which I then regretted, but to no avail. Didn't want to know after that.

:rolleyes:
 

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Hello all,

Elvis I tried the emotional I ching and it felt quite soothing going through the process - kind of like, let's bring this issue back into reality and find it's roots.
I received hex 41. Another calming effect.
I liked the section you have on the genotypes etc. how angles to consider of a situation in a hex 41 atmosphere relate to other hex's. Made sense reading through them, such as something like, 'what is the will here' (hex 1), 'what can be done' (hex 2). (I did save the page of results to try to put a link up here but didn't work unfortunately).
The description of the situation as hex 41 covers a focus on distillation, concentration. This ties to alchemical processes and covers 'decrease' in its positive form (distilling a pure element) and its negative form (the process fails and the intended 'gold' remains 'lead').

Given no changing lines, if the situation continues to develop on its own then the outcome/purpose is described by analogy to the characteristics of hexagram 57 with its focus on cultivation and becoming influential.

The overall focus seems to be one of internal transformation which would explain the emotional dynamics at present and the perpetual engaging/re-engaging with the situation by your consciousness. (57 covers a 'rising wind' where at first it is hardly noticeable but suddenly it can force one to change - reflecting the alchemical element of 41 present).

The beginnings of 41 are described by analogy to the characteristics of 18 with a focus on a need to correct an 'error', to deal with a corruption - thus the process of 41 is seeded by a need for 'purification'. (both 18 and 41 have a top trigram of mountain where the overall focus, when the trigram is in the top position, is on quality control, to be discerning. Thus 41 reads "from self-reflection comes discernment" and for 18 "from cultivation comes discernment")

To cover all of the other hexagrams the focus is on the PHENOTYPE in the tables where the GENOTYPE is the pure quality of a hexagram (1,2,3... etc) and the phenotype is the expression of that quality through the context described by the hexagram under consideration - in this case, hex 41.

Given the situation, you can choose to go with the flow or assert your own context (change lines) or move on.
 

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Hi Elvis, think I'm just going to go with the flow now on this one.
People in love do stupid things after all... so he must have an inkling why this happened. I think the process needs balancing out with decrease now - less input, and with that comes distilling as you said...
Thing is it is annoying that we're given the capacity to make a mess of things, and I do think as you grow older, the stakes (of mistakes) get higher... But you've got to learn your lesson somehow..

Kahlil Gibran said "The deeper sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven ?"

- Great quote.
I do feel more determined to embrace the good and the simple after the intensity of this. And I'm sure, next time, I'll be even less quick to fall in love and succumb to a fantasy before getting confirmation in reality.

:rolleyes:

:bows:
 

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