Bad Question?

[raceecho]

Hey everyone,

I know that you're never supposed to ask questions that are attempting to predict the future, but in it's own way the Yi is used to predict potential outcomes and the current "model" of reality.

Over the past two weeks I've been feeling pretty distant from someone, but lately I've been getting the weirdest intuition something is going to happen soon concerning that.

I did a couple tosses this morning, and I am wondering if I may just be asking the wrong questions?

I asked what kind of overall interaction we'd have with each other today and got 53.2
I also asked what kind of face to face interaction we'd have with each other today and got 56.2. Both seem very auspicious, but again, am I asking in the right manner?

 

[Sunfit]

Hey everyone,

I know that you're never supposed to ask questions that are attempting to predict the future,

Why not?

 

[raceecho]

Not sure really, I am less than a year into my study of the Yi, but the people I've asked with more experience than myself have told me it's not very wise to ask yes or no questions.

 

[arabella]

Not sure really, I am less than a year into my study of the Yi, but the people I've asked with more experience than myself have told me it's not very wise to ask yes or no questions.

Well, the thing is, you won't get a YES or NO answer. So the question doesn't really work -- not like it's hexed or something, but you won't maybe get a casting as useful as you could.

What did you understand from the two castings that you did? 53.2 and 56.2? Perhaps best for you to say why you think they are auspicious and then others could chime in with insights as well.

 

[raceecho]

Well in 53.2 it talks of "eating and drinking in peace and unity". We've talked about just having a night in together, wine and movie sort of deal haha. I know from what she's been through in the past she wouldn't be quick to trust anyone right away, and in all honesty I can't blame her. I feel though that this line represents a secure feeling, an open and playful attitude. It also seems to indicate sharing a good experience with someone. It also leads to 57, the gentle, where it tells us that it is advantageous to have somewhere to go, and that you should see the "great man". The "great man" line has always set me off a bit though, as I don't know how to interpret it all too well.

56.2 says that "The wanderer finds an inn. He obtains the loyalty of a young servant." 56 itself speaks of venturing out doesn't it? I think the line is saying being in a place and with people you can be comfortable with. Coming to meet with someone you trust. Not sure how 50 relates though.

Any ideas?

 

[arabella]

Well in 53.2 it talks of "eating and drinking in peace and unity". We've talked about just having a night in together, wine and movie sort of deal haha. I know from what she's been through in the past she wouldn't be quick to trust anyone right away, and in all honesty I can't blame her. I feel though that this line represents a secure feeling, an open and playful attitude. It also seems to indicate sharing a good experience with someone. It also leads to 57, the gentle, where it tells us that it is advantageous to have somewhere to go, and that you should see the "great man". The "great man" line has always set me off a bit though, as I don't know how to interpret it all too well.

56.2 says that "The wanderer finds an inn. He obtains the loyalty of a young servant." 56 itself speaks of venturing out doesn't it? I think the line is saying being in a place and with people you can be comfortable with. Coming to meet with someone you trust. Not sure how 50 relates though.

Any ideas?

So, you got a "predictive" answer that seems really accurate from what I understand. The time you spent together wasn't dramatic, but it had reassuring aspects and a feeling of togetherness sharing a meal. It was a question of getting to feel at ease with each other with the diversion of food and drink to make the occasion. This is exactly what the line is about as well. Hex 53.2

And, Hex 56. to me is about companionship and building trust, which you say is an issue that your friend has reasons not the trust. And you are apparently working through this barrier and establishing a closeness. So this is also a step in the right direction.

You see, you got this much information from asking the Yi the tone of your meeting rather than: will this be a good meeting, yes or no? It's just a better way to go.

 

[raceecho]

See though, I don't know if it will happen is the thing. I just asked what types of interactions we would have with each other today. I've been trying to just give her her space, I don't want to seem too pushy. Though, the answers that I got would seem to indicate a coming to meet. Like I said before, it's purely based out of intuition.

I saw someone on here before saying something along the lines of, "You get what you ask for.", which I'd interpret as, "If you think it's going to happen, it's going to happen."

Do you think there is any truth to that?

 

[arabella]

See though, I don't know if it will happen is the thing. I just asked what types of interactions we would have with each other today. I've been trying to just give her her space, I don't want to seem too pushy. Though, the answers that I got would seem to indicate a coming to meet. Like I said before, it's purely based out of intuition.

I saw someone on here before saying something along the lines of, "You get what you ask for.", which I'd interpret as, "If you think it's going to happen, it's going to happen."

Do you think there is any truth to that?

I guess I'm confused then about "what kind of interaction we'd have with each other TODAY" -- but you don't mean today, you mean some day? I had the impression this had taken place, but it hasn't.

OK, in that case, I'd imagine the Yi is saying that events your describe, like a quiet meal somewhere, and casual chat that builds trust and doesn't push any boundaries is a good idea. There are possibilities. But this is not "Coming to Meet" -- which I would envision as Hexagram 44 that is [to me at least] more seductive and more potentially confrontive with a whole different type of energy. This is more getting together in a friendly way and sharing conversation that GRADUALLY [a key idea of hexagram 53] creates a stronger relationship that has yet to be completely defined. But it's friendly, it's positive, it's going in the right direction. Also, Hexagram 56.2 sounds relatively positive but the hexagram on the whole has an element of ships passing in the night, of something transient, so i wouldn't count on that taking me so far as Hexagram 53 which is more of a gradual development of something with a possibly more lasting character. I think I'd go with the quiet, friendly meal somewhere and see how that goes.

 

[sooo]

I receive future prediction advice all the time, which is sorta like a future prediction with conditions and contingencies. But on other more rare occasions, I've received completely unexpected and spot on accurate future predictions.

One thing I've learned is to never use the word never when it comes to what the IC is able to do or not do. That much I accept as entirely unpredictable.

 

[arabella]

See though, I don't know if it will happen is the thing. I just asked what types of interactions we would have with each other today. I've been trying to just give her her space, I don't want to seem too pushy. Though, the answers that I got would seem to indicate a coming to meet. Like I said before, it's purely based out of intuition.

I saw someone on here before saying something along the lines of, "You get what you ask for.", which I'd interpret as, "If you think it's going to happen, it's going to happen."

Do you think there is any truth to that?

So far as this idea goes, I think we can make the conditions that create possibility. And, on a microcosmic level, in relation to quantum physics, there is plenty of evidence from behaviours of the smallest particles, in particular photons, that we create our own reality. That is, experiments involving the movement of photons, which travel in pairs, indicate that whichever way one photon moves, the other mirrors it identically traveling in exactly the opposite direction, which is something of a "psychic" behaviour since they are moving away from each other at the speed of light --and this means potentially that some sort of inspiration travels faster than light. Which leads us to search for particles likes the Higgs Boson. Also, the observation of physicists watching their experiments would indicate that their "desires" influence the outcome, which would indicate that we, as observers of the Universe, have an effect on the future.

It's all prospective and how to translate microcosm into macrocosm is speculative -- but there must be some relationship there. Or, as the Buddhists and Hindus said many generations ago: "What you see coming toward you is actually coming from you."

No matter what, a good attitude can't go amiss.

 

[Sunfit]

Not sure really, I am less than a year into my study of the Yi, but the people I've asked with more experience than myself have told me it's not very wise to ask yes or no questions.

Good morning.

Ok, you did not refer to a flat out "yes and no" question in the first paragraph. You said maybe you should not ask about the future, which I at times have and it came true as casted I might add.


Yes or No questions are tricky yes but I have done it AND I have gotten simple and clear answers! (not always)

I just had to ask.

 

[arabella]

Good morning.

Ok, you did not refer to a flat out "yes and no" question in the first paragraph. You said maybe you should not ask about the future, which I at times have and it came true as casted I might add.


Yes or No questions are tricky yes but I have done it AND I have gotten simple and clear answers! (not always)

I just had to ask.

It's not to say that you can't surmise a Yes or No answer but that, the way the Yi generally works, you'll get far more information about what effect you can have on the situation asking another way.

 

[elias]

Required reading on the "bad question" question: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12642

FWIW, I discourage trying to predict the future as it can create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This can be quite loverly if one has an open and cheerful outlook; less so if one is in a less-positive state of mind and (consciously or not) expecting the worst. It's your ego that wants to know with certainty how everything will turn out. Your ego is not necessarily your best friend, and its meddling as often as not makes things worse.

In any event, IC always counsels living fully in the moment rather than planning for the future, trying to make an impression, or putting a splint on a fracture that's already happened.

 

[arabella]

Required reading on the "bad question" question: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12642

FWIW, I discourage trying to predict the future as it can create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This can be quite loverly if one has an open and cheerful outlook; less so if one is in a less-positive state of mind and (consciously or not) expecting the worst. It's your ego that wants to know with certainty how everything will turn out. Your ego is not necessarily your best friend, and its meddling as often as not makes things worse.

In any event, IC always counsels living fully in the moment rather than planning for the future, trying to make an impression, or putting a splint on a fracture that's already happened.

Brilliant reply.

 

[Sunfit]

It's not to say that you can't surmise a Yes or No answer but that, the way the Yi generally works, you'll get far more information about what effect you can have on the situation asking another way.

Yes Arabella. I understand.

As I mentioned, it HAS worked for me sometimes but other times I could not understand the cast.

Ah, if only everything was easy as a simple YES OR NO eh?