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elizabeth

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There was a man in my life last fall, and sparks flew between us during a rather strong celestial positioning, afterwards cooling down. I have tried very hard to stay in touch with him bc I beleived there's something there, and I still do.

I had a foot operation last week and out of the blue he showed up with flowers, a very high tech plug-in automatic ice pack (which is WAY better than trying to hold a bag of frozen peas on your foot!) made me tea, chatted for 2 hours. Two days later came with MORE flowers, brought me lunch, more ice, refilled the ice pack machine, took out my garbage, fixed tea again, hung around again for 2 hours. Because we do not see each other frequently and in fact I had not seen him since mid October-- to me this was huge.
(we had emailed in December but all of that was my initiative)

I thanked him in person for the flowers and sent a message later by text. In return he wrote "that's what friends are for." I got very upset bc i thought, at first, well, obviously i read way too much into this. Flowers mean nothing. We're only friends, period. But my own friends have pointed out that what else was he to say, "thats what lovers are for?" Because there's been no romance between us. Yet. Some people say a man doesnt drive one hour each way with flowers etc just to "be nice" and certainly not twice in a row. I have no idea if that's true or not.

I have several options about how to proceed. I want to cultivate a closer friendship and i would dream of a relationship with him. But i cannot seem to be able to get out of some weird (probably also celestial?) blockage. We have electric conversations, no odd pauses, tons to talk about. I feel physical chemistry personally (do not know if he does).
I think he might but i think he is gun shy. I know he's been hurt in the past. This step to me in a way seems huge. But how can i keep things rolling?

I have recieved advice from several very trusted friends and they are tellnig me I need to treat this more casually, not clam up and freeze. When I think a guy is courting me i do freeze bc i do not want to be too clingy or suffocate them, which i have done in the past. So now, i do nothing. I am polite and i receive but i dont interact as much as I would, say, for a girlfriend, saying let's go out to coffee, want to see this movie etc. Bc in my silly head that's the "man's role" -- to court.

SO I asked the Yi for advice on how to best proceed. I am trying to interpret these results in terms of what *is* best to do at this point. I do not want to lose this chance -- this man stepped way out for me, he went to a lot of trouble, spent a lot of time and money. I want to show him i appreciate it but i fail when it comes to anything but words (and for now i have no use of my foot so i cannot, for example, make a cake and go visit him -- i cant leave my apartment for another few weeks).


What if I call and chat and invite him casually to stop by sometime this week?
12.5 > 23. (Blocked and Stripping Away )

Initially I thought this was a highly negative reading advising me against doing this. But the more I read about it, sounds like line 5 actually encourages you to do this, be aware that it can fail but that by risking the failure things progress (if i didnt just confuse hexes here).

What if i only call and chat (no invitation ie no pressure)? 22.1.2.6 > 46 Pushing upward

Line 6, "simplicity is all" -- that encourages this plan. Ie keep it simple (but keep in contact).


What if i do not phone today? 20.3 and 53
Line 3 is reflection, suggests it might be OK. I dont see anything "bad" in not phoning today. (line 3 is the point of transition. It is no longer sufficient to observe the world with the innocent eyes of the child or from a self-centred point of view. One must strive to acquire objectivity by looking inward and observing one’s feelings and emotions. Learning from these, one begins to plan the future development of one’s life.)

What effort do I need to make to help things continue to get better?
40Release lines 3,4 > hex 46
Not clear to me -- L3 ‘Shouldering a burden while also riding in a carriage
Invites the arrival of bandits. Constancy, shame.’ (what is this bad? I was asking what to do but it seems to suggest bad luck without saying what is bad)
Line 4= ‘Releasing the thumbs also. Partners arrive, hence truth and confidence.’
Partnering is good (??)
 

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Elisabeth,

I'm not good in interpreting I Ching.
This morning I read about this guy and you, when I was searching an interpretation for my reading (26.1.2.3.6->2 how does he feel about me?) and I was touched by your problems, maybe mine are similiar.

I think you have to relax and treat him like a girlfriend, so do I now with my beloved person. Trying to establish a real friendship and if there will be more, that would be fine. The obsession with the romance makes you (and also me) react forced and the things go out of Dao.

Good luck!
 

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is it 12.5->35 or 12.4.5-23?

anyway with or without iching, invite him to dinner somewhere out, wear something sexy and laugh to his jokes... that is pretty much all you have to do
 

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is it 12.5->35 or 12.4.5-23?

anyway with or without iching, invite him to dinner somewhere out, wear something sexy and laugh to his jokes... that is pretty much all you have to do

Hm strange, no i did that reading online and it was defnintely 12.5 to 23. There was no line 4 given... That was my very first question and reading and i copied it down...

Can invite him out. can not even stand up right now!
 

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Since i already asked 4 questions i dont want to ask again and confuse the Yi...
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What i ended up doing was phoning tonight and after a 20 min talk saying if he wanted to come for tea sometime i would love to see him. He said he didnt think he would be in my area this week but if he goes to his Saturday class he will definitely let me know and can meet me afterwards.

COnclusion: flowers are not interest. Even two sets. Stupid foolish me to get hopes up.
 
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He's Just Not That Into You: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding Guys [Hardcover]
Greg Behrendt

Please read and take notice of what this book says - I did and no longer end up in situations like yours

this is the best cours of action for you to take xx
 
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Hi Elizabeth,
I agree with parasio in that it's good to continue being friendly and see how things develop without pressure.
Also in line with your 12.4.5<23 reading about calling him and asking him to come by, it pretty much was what happened and it seems ok, he may likely come over after his Saturday class. Or maybe not -- but it's still fine as you both stripped back some layers (hx 23) in even talking about it.
12.4 can mean the standstill is about to give way as you are thinking of the correct course of action and 12.5 can mean you want to end a standstill but caution is good to make progress as it can still not quite resolve yet.

40.3 can mean don't be on a high horse or put yourself above your real station or capabilities in a situation; or from Hilary's book: don't try to hold two incompatible roles if you want to be authentic with someone and 40.4 I've gotten to mean let go of awkward thoughts and approaches about how a situation "ought to" work out and let it be a spontaneous connection with people; then you release and allow what you sought quite naturally and easily (also from Hilary's book). Doing these leads to step by step progress.
Hope this helps :bows:
 

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thank you literunner. That's a really thoughtful, well-considered reply. I appreciate your honesty and integrity and kindness. As both you and parasio said, it's true: i do tend to get "stiffer" and worried and nervous if i think about romance. If i consider him just a friend its'way easier to get to know him better and open up.

literunner, what were the layers that were stripped away? It seems fairly superficial to me, ie we spoke about one possible meeting and it may or may not happen. Are you speaking of that? Or is the idea in 12.4.5 that the act of communication removes the layers of alienation within any interaction btwn two people, bringing them theoretically closer? I guess that makes more sense...

About 40.3 - I have basically done nothing the past 3+ months. That's my modus operandi towards him. And after this conversation , which was a big deal for me, I will probably go back to doing that. So i'm not really keen about going above my station. It took five people persuading me to treat him like a friend to get me to make a casual phonecall after all of the time/money/flowers/food etc he showered on me... And i still feel kind of shot down as weird as that may sound.

For now i guess i have whatever answer i needed. Its not a big rosy "yes", at least not the kind i thought all the attention was indicating at first. I wish something, sometime would just for once fall into place without so much pain and frustration. Those of you who know my other threads know what i am talking about! :)
 

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About hx 23, one case I remember getting it - I was expecting to attend an event with a colleague and hadn't heard from her despite sending a few emails to confirm.
I got 16.4.6<23 about contacting her to see what was up - enthusiasm that strips away things. I reached her right away, she apologized that she had not responded to my emails but her computer crashed and she was busy fixing it. She couldn't go with me to the event, but was really glad I called to double check if she was going.

And the 40.3 may be just as you say, don't go beyond the station you feel most comfortable and real in, which is what you've been doing.
Hope it is useful :bows:
 

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What i ended up doing was phoning tonight and after a 20 min talk saying if he wanted to come for tea sometime i would love to see him. He said he didnt think he would be in my area this week but if he goes to his Saturday class he will definitely let me know and can meet me afterwards.

COnclusion: flowers are not interest. Even two sets. Stupid foolish me to get hopes up.

What is the problem? His is not in your area, so wait till saturday. Relax ;-) He didn't turn you down! You had a nice talk with him and he will meet you next time he is in town. Maybe not this saturday, but on another occasion.
Let him loose.
 

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*sigh*. I did let him loose, in a manner of speaking. I invited him to my birthday party, next Saturday (a week away). He said he would come. I need help on a project that concerns the book I"m writing -- I wanted to ask him to *come over* to my house to help me on it. In theory we can do it all over the phone. But I am trying to cultivate something here and use what we've already got in order to build further. However, i dont want to push too far and i dont know what timing is best.

What if I ask him for letter help this Wednesday?
61.1.2.6> 8

What if I mention the letter during the party and ask for help (sometime thereafter)?
7 Army unchanging.

What if I wait until after the party to ask for letter help?
22.2 Grace > 26 Taming power of great

Starting with the middle reading: I think the Yi is off here bc while the party will have an "army" of people, the help I need is only his. This is not a group endeavor. Unless the Yi is saying if I pose the question while in a group it will..it will what? 7 doesnt imply success per se, it intimates a group dynamic, which is what I need to avoid here (i think).

The first reading 61.1.2.6 -->
line 1: being prepared brings good fortune
line 2: if a feeling is truthful/joyful it will be accepted well/in the manner intended; where there is joyous mood a friend will come (fortunate)
line 6: (uh oh!) pitfall! "Over confidence in one’s abilities and good fortune is followed by evil consequences. "

Okay i have zero confidence from the start so that's not really hitting the nail on the head here...
but it certainly is scripture againt action, even after two encouraging lines. (??)


With 22.2 i am stumped. I have read the exploring divination threads and cannot see how 22 or line 2 relate to this. Grace itself implies positivity. line 22 adorning the beard - vain/superficial...?

26 = "restraint is praiseworthy." Okay so waiting is maybe a bad idea, but ... this question was the furthest out time-wise...maybe its saying wait a while to ask? Or maybe its saying even askign AFTER the party is too soon????

I am lost.
 

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