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Hexagram 50, the Oracle
‘The Caldron is the image of an object. When one causes wood to penetrate (xun) fire, food is cooked. The holy man cooks in order to sacrifice to God the Lord, and he cooks feasts in order to nourish the holy and worthy.’
The Tuanzhuan, Wilhelm/Baynes
‘Through gentleness (xun) the ear and eye become sharp and clear…’
‘Above wood there is fire. The Vessel.
A noble one sets her situation straight and makes her calling solid.’
‘Thunder and lightning. Biting through.
The ancient kings brought light to punishments and proclaimed the laws.’
Hexagram 21, the Image
Perhaps this is about bringing yourself into a living, responsive relationship with your own calling. Then that calling ‘consolidates’: it goes from liquid to solid, becomes real and has its place in the world, is no longer just an idea. The wood catches light. Unlike the Vessel, wood and fire won’t last forever, but then that’s not what they – or we – are for.
You don't have to find it, because it is already there‘Bringing light’ is the action of li, and punishing or proclaiming is the action of thunder: trigrams map to verbs. Nothing so clear happens in Hexagram 50: instead, the Image seems to derive from the picture as a whole: wood in the fire is in its right place, and so is the noble one. You don’t need to find a trigram to correspond to ‘setting straight’ or ‘consolidating’.
except li as the implementation of rules. Do you know a source for that?
The text of the Image talks aboutAny thoughts on 'consolidating'?
Consolidates his/her fate I would see as trigram Wind....
Thus the superior person consolidates his fate
By making his position correct
Perhaps she isn’t so much setting the world to rights as she is specifically coming to her own right place, finding where she stands.
Although in some ways an old-fashioned conception of a family structure, in general this is again about holding one's own place, knowing where you stand.The women obtain the proper place within;
The men obtain the proper place without.
When men and women obtain their proper places,
They fulfill the great norm of Heaven and Earth.
In a household there are authoritative rulers,
They are the parents.
When a father is in truth a father and the son a son,
When the elder brother is in truth an elder brother
And the younger brother a younger brother,
And the husband a husband and a wife a wife,
Then the way of that family is in proper state.
When every family is in proper state,
Then all under Heaven is in a stable condition.
Any chance you could explain this system, or link to things already written, in our Explanations thread? (Link is in my signature.) Thanks!Another explanation can be found in the fact that trigram Fire is located (along with Wind and Earth) in the SHEN/Heaven line in the Loshu map. The SHEN line includes problem-solving, hence trigram Heaven is seen as the laws and rules themselves and Fire as their implementation.
Yes... at least, yes with regard to fate/mandate/destiny. That seems to me close to the idea of the trigram as blueprint and 'seals received'. It's the 'consolidating' part that is odd/interesting, as the word does seem literally to mean going from liquid to solid: other dictionary definitions are 'congeal' and 'freeze'. It's hard - for me, anyway - to connect that with these trigrams.Consolidates his/her fate I would see as trigram Wind.
Trigram Wind, as indicated earlier, is about one's blueprint, one's intrinsic nature and thus indirectly about one's destiny/fate (my understanding of the english language is insufficient to understand the difference between these 2 terms).
I really like the use of the concept of blue print: the plan of the Grand Design. Echoing, for me, themes of Magnus Opus. (The Great Work).Trigram Wind, as indicated earlier, is about one's blueprint, one's intrinsic nature and thus indirectly about one's destiny/fate (my understanding of the english language is insufficient to understand the difference between these 2 terms).
Hi HilaryYes... at least, yes with regard to fate/mandate/destiny. That seems to me close to the idea of the trigram as blueprint and 'seals received'. It's the 'consolidating' part that is odd/interesting, as the word does seem literally to mean going from liquid to solid: other dictionary definitions are 'congeal' and 'freeze'. It's hard - for me, anyway - to connect that with these trigrams.
In the Dutch language, consolidate (in Dutch: consolideren) also has the meaning of perpetuate, confirm, make permanent and strengthen. I don't know if this is the same in English?It's the 'consolidating' part that is odd/interesting, as the word does seem literally to mean going from liquid to soli
She is growing into her potential self.Perhaps she isn’t so much setting the world to rights as she is specifically coming to her own right place, finding where she stands.
I will write an explanation for the Explanations Thread, I just don't know if this is interesting as a separate section, as it is part of YiJing Astrology and about the separate trigrams.Any chance you could explain this system, or link to things already written, in our Explanations thread? (Link is in my signature.) Thanks!
It can provide interesting insights.The 50-37 thing is interesting, not that I'd really know since I've spent only about 10 seconds of my life swapping trigrams...should look at it more, probably.
In Taoism, this comes under the concept of the Dao.The ancient Greeks believed mankind lived out their destiny as it was assigned to them by the laws of the universe.
Your method deserves a wider airing than being tucked away in the rarely visited backwater of the Explanations Thread.I will write an explanation for the Explanations Thread, I just don't know if this is interesting as a separate section, as it is part of YiJing Astrology and about the separate trigrams.
Yes I agree that is the same concept.In Taoism, this comes under the concept of the Dao.
Trigram Wind is about that which is inseparable from someone, as mentioned earlier someone's blueprint. Just as the seed of an apple cannot produce anything other than an apple tree, each person has a unique essence that is reflected in everything they do.
Perhaps one difference from what you write is that this is a force/influence that comes from within, but that depends on how you interpret "the laws of the universe".
Your method deserves a wider airing than being tucked away in the rarely visited backwater of the Explanations Thread.
My vote goes for it being in its own magnificent dedicated thread in the vastly more popular Exploring Divination Forum with a hyperlink to your ED thread placed in the Explanations Thread.
This also allows for greater discussion or comment.
Thanks for correcting my misconceptions of the relationship between ED and the Explanations thread. My vote still goes for a unique thread in ED, but where it ends up or even if it gets started, well that's all in the hands of Hans.When you say the 'vastly more popular Exploring Divination Forum' you miss the fact that the Explanations threads is in ED already. So the Explanations thread is in Exploring Divination section and is made into a sticky so that it doesn't ever sink to the bottom. Over time therefore a great many more people see a thread that is stuck than one that isn't, that is the whole point of sticking them.
And the point of the Explanations thread is that it is fixed for reference, it's not there for discussion anyway. No problem in Hans posting his thread wherever he would most like nor in linking from the Explanations thread if he chooses to post there but I think you may have missed both the point and the location of the Explanations Thread. Threads do sink and the entire point of the Explanations thread in ED is as a reference point so that if someone is discussing their methods somewhere they can easily just link to their explanation without needing to repeat themselves.
The Explanations Thread isn't a whole different forum in it's own right it is a sticky within ED
Original meaning 本义: Meaning coagulate.
English senses 英语理解: coagulate; congeal; freeze
ning2 4732 02.1x F (to) realize, manifest, consolidate, coagulate
50.T, Tuan Zhuan
(is) a model
With wood submitted to flame
The offerings (are) transformed
The wise ones (are) fulfilled with offerings to the highest divinity
And (there is) great fulfillment (in) nourishing wisdom (and) excellence
Reaching in with ears (and) eyes, quickening (and) clarifying
The flexible advances with elevated conduct
Gaining the center and resonating with the firm
And so this is, accordingly, supreme fulfillment
Hi surnevsAn Oriole sits high on a branch singing so delightfully.
7-7-7: Heaven (High)
A pictorial view...
About the Oriole's connection with a Ding, read John Minford's I Ching, Part II, pg. 631 (Nine in Top place)
Add. The very (very) first hexagram interpretation in my life I was met with was in my very first book, R. Wilhelms, the foreword by C.G. Jung where he analyzes this hexagram Ding, so to mention that I'm aware that hexagram 50 is a Ding (and not a blackbird sitting on the top of... )
Very symbolic of the transformation process described by 50, I fancy.For my part, it was spontaneously written as seen. I'll risk quoting the passage from John Minford's book, Book of Songs, Song 168:
"Orioles sing in chorus,
We gather southernwood,
We take captives
We return home ...
Was our General Nanzhong;
The Xianyun barbarians
Were brought to heel. "
My Enigma machine reckons it is smack bang on target. These trigrams display the symbolic qualities and tints that are seen by many as major players in the transformational process enwrapped within 50.I must confess that a while after I commended this thread came into doubt about whether it was out of relevance.
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