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I don’t normally find it easy to read tarot blogs – I just don’t know enough about tarot to ‘get’ it most of the time – but I’m delighting in Ginny Hunt’s post about Intuition and Making **** Up. She’s definitely talking about people’s experience with the I Ching, too:

What is this thing we call Intuition?* So many, including myself, urge tarot novices to rely on this intangible concept, that “other knowing” “gut feeling” “flash” that some label psychic and others intuition, but what if you stare at the cards and see nothing but pretty, or not so pretty, pictures?* No flash, no nothing?** You rely on the ascribed meanings, you read the cards by rote, but what if you can’t see or feel or sense or intuit anything else?

For ‘what if you stare at the cards and see nothing but pretty pictures?’ read ‘what if you stare at the words and see nothing but weird old imagery?’ For ‘you rely on the ascribed meanings,’ read ‘you do the rounds of the books of commentary in search of something that makes sense.’

Then comes one of my favourite bits:

A still picture doesn’t provoke much in me but questions.* Little did I know then that those questions were precisely the place to start listening.

Exactly. Again, for ‘still picture’ read ‘obscure ancient imagery’. I think, if anything, it’s even easier to get stuck with words than with pictures: people at least know the pictures are meant to ‘point to’ something, but we mostly expect words to be transparent – either you understand them or you don’t, and if you don’t, you need someone to explain them to you in different words that are less obscure. Only with readings, not understanding the words is where you start.

(This is where I had a great advantage when I started out with the Yijing: just a few years previously, I’d been writing an M Phil thesis on Goethe’s poetry. I was used to assuming that a very, very few words could contain huge depths of meaning, and if I didn’t ‘get it’ at first glance this just meant I needed to spend longer looking – and hours, weeks and years of attention would always reveal more of the riches stored there. When I started to get to know Yi, working with the wonderful Ritsema-Karcher edition, this basic assumption came in Very Handy Indeed.)

Approaching a reading with questions is a way to wake up your intuition. ‘The cart’s axle straps come loose,’ says Yi. Since I’d asked what message the deer I saw in the woods might have for me, the meaning is not exactly leaping off the page here. I start asking questions… what happens when the cart’s axle straps come loose? If there is a connection come loose, what is it? What needs repairing; how would you repair it? What cart, anyway? What are carts for? OK, what am I trying to ‘move’? (First answer to that one: some of the three stone of excess weight I’m currently ‘carting’ around with me – hence the early morning exercise when I met the swift, fleet-footed deer. I have the strangest suspicion Yi isn’t being entirely polite.)

…and so on. The thing is, I may or may not be able to work these answers out. Sooner or later – especially when reading for other people, but also with my own readings – I’m going to ask a question to which I can’t possibly know the answer. When an answer comes up anyway, then I must just have made it up – right?

Ginny again:

I now recognize when my intuition is kicking in.* It’s when my rational mind in my left brain chides the fanciful* right side of my brain, “Now you’re just making **** up.”* Whenever I hear that I know I’ve hit on something. That party pooper, my left brain, was the bane of my readings for a while.* I would listen to it and not to the other side that apparently knew what it was talking about.* Enough feedback from clients told me to freaking LISTEN to that storyteller part of me, particularly when* the rational side of me protested, because that rational side is a bit of a control freak and doesn’t like uppity right brain interference even when correct.

Exactly
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. I find the questions are a nice way of tricking my control-freak-ish rational mind into imagining it still runs the show, when in fact we’ve been way out of its depth from the start. Only after the reading will I realise how I’d had absolutely no logical reason for emphasising this image or making that connection, now that the querent is asking me ‘how I knew’.

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Let’s worry a little less about knowing, and spend more time playing and imagining and making up the answers.
 

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Ah, bummer, the link doesn't work - part of it got censored into **** in the url, too. If you go via the blog you can get there.
 
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(blinking and rubbing my eyes, not fully yet believing what I'm reading from one of the more clearly rational Yi-people minds I've ever known) ;)

I always feel kinda dumb when I say things like "the answer is in the question", but you've hit on it perfectly well. How does it feel to be dumb? :rofl::bows:

I know you're not really devaluing the Yi author's intended meanings, nor suggesting they are comparable to Rorschach associative testing, but that there is the all important dialogue between what spontaneously arises from our collective associations and the 'hard' rational intended meaning of a given text. The deer really is a deer, and whether or not there actually is an intended personal omen or answer, our meng-mind (our searching imagination) is the catalyst which stimulates the beehive, wherein lies the honey we seek to satisfy our deeper questions.
 

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I've been lurking a little bit for most of April. This is about one of my wonderings, too. What's actually there when we read?: this is a hugely big-ticket wondering. We don't want to feel we're looking at something meaningless, like a Rorschach blot. But maybe what we're looking at is meaningless like a toolbox is meaningless. A box with a hammer, a saw, a punch, a pocket knife, and so on doesn't really suggest anything about what they ought to be used for. But there are right and wrong ways to use them, their use is quite structured... Maybe Moby Dick and the Bible and other holy books are also "meaningless like a toolbox"?: this is an extremely dangerous belief, in the opinions of some folks...
 

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I am thrilled by this idea of reading responses like poems to some extent, letting the dense image just unfold and unfold. I am only just starting to learn to do this (which is odd because I too did an MA in poetry). Loved this post.
 
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I know you're not really devaluing the Yi author's intended meanings, nor suggesting they are comparable to Rorschach associative testing, but that there is the all important dialogue between what spontaneously arises from our collective associations and the 'hard' rational intended meaning of a given text...
Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting, not suggesting, and not really doing. I hope that was clear...

About poetry... every couple of weeks, all those doing M Phils in German got together with the professor thereof for a seminar, discussing various literary texts he would find for us - find, and not normally tell us what it was until afterwards. Usually there was a hefty handout of photocopied sheets, with plenty of 'meat' for people to get stuck into. I remember one time he sent us all, in advance, a single sheet with just two tiny four-line poems in the middle of it. Just that, and a lot of white space.

I recognised the poems as Goethe's, and didn't say too much when, before the class, the other students were protesting greatly that it was absurd - and not a little insulting, for graduate students - to be sent something so tiny and simple.

Ninety extremely lively minutes later, we left the professor behind and went off to the cafe together, still in the middle of heated argument about the text, with everyone bursting with things to say.

(Here is the first poem:

Der Spiegel sagt mir: ich bin schön!
Ihr sagt: zu altern sei auch mein Geschick.
Vor Gott muß alles ewig stehn,
In mir liebt ihn für diesen Augenblick.

I don't remember the second one, as we never got round to discussing it.)

Anyway: the point of that anecdote is that if I spend ages asking questions about something, approaching it from different angles and trying to get past what I can 'know' about it, this is not because I think it's intrinsically meaningless.

I like the idea of the 'meaninglessness' of a toolbox, though. I do sometimes find myself talking to people about different ways they could 'use' a line.
 

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(Very unpoetic translation, with sincere apologies to Goethe:

The mirror tells me: I am beautiful!
You say: I too am destined to age.
Everything must stand eternally before God.
Love him in me for this moment.
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... and not really doing. I hope that was clear...

Actually, that part wasn't clear to me. How could you hear your beauty of God from the mirror, even in a moment, if you're not really doing? chuckle

Love your story and the poem. Thanks for sharing them.
 

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Maybe the loose axlestrap is the deer itself, just living, not bothering about how, what or when. Certainly not ever pulling a cart. And you, seeing that deer and loosening up like a little dog imitates what he sees others do, which is the best training possible.
Beauty works like that (22)
:rolleyes: made that up all by myself
 

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love that reading of that line. (as well as the Goethe, thank you)
 

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Hmm... my googling for "deer omens" didn't bring up anything that struck huge chords, but LiSe's post takes me back to this story, of how the deer responded to the humans crashing about cutting down forests and shooting animals for fun:
For the Deer tribe, the idea of fighting the two legs with their own weapon, was unclear. The Deer tribe was gentle and clear and offered to bring disease into the world. The human tribe was destroying the balance of food and shelter. The human beings were living out of balance with the land, the sea, the air and all other creatures.
The Deer tribe, long familiar with how to evade and confuse an enemy volunteered to bring disease into the world. The humans, they said, were living out of balance with the earth, the air and the water. As the humans lived out of balance so they would become sick. The Deer tribe brought rheumatism and arthritis. With rheumatism the humans would be struck in their heart. For only in heartlessness could the humans slay another animal not even for food. With arthritis would the very limbs become painful so that the two leggeds would have to reflect upon their actions.
(From http://www.sarvananda.com/Signslink.htm)

Right now, this cart cannot run very far; the axle strap's loose, the wheels keep falling off, and everything aches. Maybe there's something to be said for being forced to a standstill?
 
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more deer stories

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9250&highlight=deer

and http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=867&highlight=deer&page=2

(meng = candid = deer totem)

I (somewhat laughingly) recall 'power place' searches while tripping on mass quantities of mescaline. There was one place I knew of from past camping trips, and one night my close friend (to this day) and I decided to ingest organic mescaline and venture up to it. I don't know if I've written of it here before or not, so I won't go into it in depth.

But once we reached the place of power; a steep granite waterfall, we immediately transformed into whitetail deer. From there we ran and leaped through the midnight forest at incredible speed - impossible for humans. And I recall that very thought even as I ran. How am I doing this? (as tree branches wiz by inches from my eyes) Dangerous cliffs, fallen trees, near total darkness. Made no human sense. Humanly speaking, we were totally lost somewhere in the Stokes State Forest.

We eventually walked down a long slope which led to my vehicle. As I started the engine, two deer showed up along the edge of the dirt road. I shut down the motor as Lou cranked his window down. And we all just sat there looking at one another.
 

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