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Obstructions

small dog, blocked path

The muddle​


If you’re new to the I Ching, you could be forgiven for wondering why there are apparently two hexagrams called ‘Obstruction’: Hexagram 12 (according to such translators as Cleary and Richter) and Hexagram 39 (according to Balkin, amongst others). Neither hexagram is one you’d generally rejoice to see in a reading – both indicate that whatever you’re asking about is going to be tough. You won’t be able to make the kind of progress you’d hoped for; circumstances are not in your favour; this is going to be anything but smooth sailing.

So what’s the difference?

The names of the hexagrams​


Hexagram 12 is called pi 否, which the dictionary tells us means…
  • No.
  • To deny or refuse to do.
  • To go against (specifically, to go against the will of Heaven).
  • Bad, wrong.
    The ancient Chinese character shows a mouth and probably a plant that is cut off at soil level. If you take a sharp hoe to the weeds often enough, they will eventually give up and stop growing.
Hexagram 39 is called jian 蹇. Its definitions include…
  • Lame, limping, difficulty walking, weakness in the legs.
  • Stuttering, difficulty speaking.
  • Slow, painful, difficult.
  • Worn out.
    This is a more complex character – you can read LiSe’s account of it here. But it definitely includes the component for foot, pointing to the early meaning of lame and limping.
So you can see that while you might experience both of these as running into an obstruction, the underlying picture – the reason why it isn’t working, and what you could do about this – is quite different. You might say that Hexagram 12 is saying “no” while Hexagram 39 is saying “not that way“.

The Oracles​

‘Blocking it, non-people.
Noble one’s constancy bears no fruit.
Great goes, small comes.’
‘Limping. Fruitful in the west and south,
Not fruitful in the east and north.
Fruitful to see great people.
Constancy, good fortune.’

Interestingly, both of these oracles are based on a contrast – but that’s where the resemblance ends. Hexagram 39 draws a contrast between two directions. One bears fruit, the other does not. Whether you interpret this on the basis of the bagua (which arranges the trigrams around the points of the compass) and reflect on the qualities of Lake and Fire, or refer to Zhou history and think of seeking allies, the advice is basically this way, not that way. There is a direction that will bear fruit. And so too will seeing great people, and hence getting the benefits of longer vision and better understanding.

But in Hexagram 12, when you are blocked, the picture is very different. No amount of imagination or persistence is going to bring any reward at all. The contrast is between two kinds of people – the non-people and the noble one – and between great and small. That means both ways of being, the active and creative versus the merely adaptive, and also the scale of creative action which is possible. This is just not a time when you can do great things.

(I also have an idea – thanks to Scott Davies and David Pankenier – that Hexagram 12 may be associated with the moment when the Zhou and their allies were gathered ready to cross the river and march on Shang, but turned back because the movement of Jupiter went against them. In other words, your ideas are absolutely out of harmony with the time.)

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The contrasting trigram pictures of the two hexagrams make the difference between them very easy to see. In Hexagram 39, there is water above the mountain. You can imagine battling your way up the slopes through torrential rain, with the loose scree starting to slide away under your feet. (And you might also take a message from the water, which will not be trying to flow uphill.) In Hexagram 12, there is simply the earth below heaven. You are standing on the empty plain, staring up at a receding, unheeding sky.

It was the trigram picture that made Bradford Hatcher so unimpressed with ‘obstruction’ as a translation for Hexagram 12:
“Obstruction is a poor choice of names in this context, even without the confusion with Gua 39. It may be a valid gloss for the word Pǐ (also pronounced Fǒu) in its broader usage in the language, but its use here betrays a misunderstanding of the forces at work in this Gua. These forces are moving in different directions, away from each other, not in opposition or confrontation.”

From https://www.hermetica.info/GuaMing.htm which is not just a list of hexagram names.

The Image text gives you the best advice on how to respond to the situation in general:
‘Above the mountain, there is water. Limping.
Noble one turns himself around to renew his character.’
‘Heaven and earth do not interact. Blocked.
A noble one uses her strength sparingly to avoid hardship.
She does not allow herself honours and payment.’

In Hexagram 39, you should turn yourself around. If at first you don’t succeed, try something different. In Hexagram 12, not only should you stop banging your head against this wall, but also be aware that if you are gaining in this situation, something is wrong.

Imaginary readings​


Suppose you asked, ‘What about trying this?’ and received Hexagram 39 unchanging. Then you would know it was going to be very hard. You might want to stop and rethink, find help, take advice and look for an easier way.

If you asked “What about trying this? and received Hexagram 12 unchanging, then you would know it wouldn’t work.

Or, suppose you asked, “How can I move forward in this relationship?” Then, Hexagram 39 might encourage you to seek out a good counsellor to find a new approach. And Hexagram 12 might sound like Yi asking, “What relationship?”

Hexagram 12, though, is a hexagram whose meaning is really multiplied by being unchanging: nothing is happening to nothing happening. Things would be different with lines changing. When it’s changing, I find Hexagram 12 becomes ‘Dealing with the Block’ in the same way that 18 becomes ‘Dealing with Corruption’. That could mean acceptance or complete transformation – changing the message of the reading.

A line by line comparison is beyond the scope of this post (or this brain), but we could try looking at how each hexagram works with the same relating hexagram.

Hexagram 25, for instance, Without Entanglement. As I mentioned before, when 39 changes to 25, all its lines about going on versus coming back are active. I think this makes intuitive sense: the disengaging and disentangling of Limping involves turning round and coming back, not ignoring the difficulties and forging ahead regardless. You don’t need to struggle on up the mountain, says Hexagram 25; there is no real reason to do that.

Hexagram 12 is just one line away from 25:
‘Pulling up thatch grass, roots entangled,
With more of its kind.
Constancy, good fortune. Creating success.’

12.1

Here I think the wisdom of 25 means finding the best point to apply energy – where things are subtly connected, even if this isn’t apparent on the surface, and change will naturally beget change.

One more example: suppose our hexagrams are changing to 8, Seeking Union or Belonging. With 39, that’s a single line change:
‘Going on, limping; coming back, turnaround.’

39.3

Choose your people, find where you belong, follow your natural affinities, and this is already turning you around and leading you back home.

Hexagram 12 changes to 8 through lines 4 and 6:
‘There is a mandate, no mistake.
Work with clarity, fulfilment.’
‘Overturning the block.
Before, blocked. Afterwards, rejoicing.’

12.4.6

The sense of belonging works a complete transformation in 12, perhaps because it is all about what you say yes to. There is the call, and light, and the end of the Block.
 

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Question: are there other not-pairs of hexagrams I could usefully write about, where the difference in meaning might not be clear?
 
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I believe that H12 and H39 also differ in their origin of obstacles. In H12, the situation is the obstacle that we have to deal with, while in H39, it is one's own limits. Facing the limits of circumstances/situation vs. facing one's own limits.

H12 seems more like an external obstacle. The circumstances causes, or are the obstacle and one has to deal with that.
The Image says:
Thus the superior person restrains himself and preserves his inner virtue
In order to escape difficulties and hardships.
In other words you want to act but you cannot. You have to hold back.
Figuratively you are dealing with a situation represented by the 2 primal forces: Heaven and Earth and you have no control over them.

In H39, it seems more like an inner obstacle, as said you are facing your own limits.
The Image says:
Thus the superior person reflects on himself
And cultivates his character.
The text here advises self-reflection and character improvement, which shows that something can be done about the situation. E.g. a different attitude towards or in the situation can make a difference.

H39 differs one line from H63, that is, the line at 1st position. H63 is the hexagram of balance and completion. In H63, all components are in the right place; there is order and everything cooperates.
The first position in a hexagram is about ideas and plans, about the beginning of a cycle, a project. So when in H39 at this position it changes from yin (passive) to yang (active), balance is created and the obstacle is removed.
So this seems to indicate that adjusting plans and/or ideas make the obstacle "disappear". This is where the Image's advice comes in again.

The starting position of H39 thus seems more favourable than that of H12, because there are primal forces at work here that we have no control over.

These are my musings on H12 and H39. Maybe they will be useful.
As always, take what resonates and leave the rest 😉
 
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This blog post left me wondering to what extent the interaction between these two hexagrams also helps to delimit what may be common to the two and what definitively separates them :)

hex 12 to hex 39

and

hex 39 to hex12

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It left me wondering about that too, but I thought I'd better not bite off more than I could chew. Let's give it a go with the wisdom of the group...

12.3.4.6 to 39 - the struggles of being blocked, or the possibility of finding a different approach to the block...?

'Embracing shame.'
'There is a mandate, no mistake.
Work with clarity, fulfilment.'
'Overturning the block.
Before, blocked. Afterwards, rejoicing.'

- turn yourself around to renew your de? (Treating the external block as susceptible to a personal shift, to borrow Hans' idea?)

39.3.4.6 to 12 - maybe difficulties that feel like an unconditional 'no'?

'Going on, limping; coming back, turnaround.'
'Going limping, coming back, connection.'
'Going on, limping; coming back, maturity.
Good fortune.
Fruitful to see a great person.'

Three of the four 'coming back' lines. Feels a bit like come back to the real world, see it/ connect with it as it is, and gain a larger, longer perspective in the end.

(And by way of contrast, 39.1.2.5 to 11, which might mean finding 39's change of direction and flowing down the mountain like water...

'Going on, limping; coming back, praise.'
'A king, a servant: limping and limping.
In no way is he himself the cause.'
'Greatly limping; partners come.'

At first glance, these lines give me a strong sense of "it's not about you". Never mind your small agenda, there is great work to be done, and help to do it.)
 

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This might not be on topic (please say so if it's not), but is there any possibility the going-on/coming-back lines are each farther up the mountain?

I think I have things written down somewhere but I can't find it at the moment and only remember two of them.

39.1 to 63 - seeing the difficulties when you want to make a commitment. If you realize you're not ready before you get too far, there's praise.

39.6 to 53 - mastery/great person if you're able to turn around even when you're almost at the top after a long climb. I once read about people on Mount Everest who didn't do that, even though really they'd run out of time and daylight. It didn't end well.
 

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hilary said:
It left me wondering about that too, but I thought I'd better not bite off more than I could chew. Let's give it a go with the wisdom of the group...

A simple idea that I think also goes along with what has already been left, but which highlights what unites and what separates these two hexagrams.....I will imagine a wise man in the situation of the two....

-something common to both hex :

The wise man measures/considers how his relationship with "the situation" helps to better manage and develop it.

- something that definitely separates the two hex :

The wise man is "wondering internally" in the one and "wondering externally" in the other.

In hex39 the wise man is in a "strange outside land" considering how to use/develop his integrity to adapt to the situation.

In hex12 he is in a "strange internal land" considering how to quickly get out of it so as not to compromise his integrity.

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is there any possibility the going-on/coming-back lines are each farther up the mountain?
Oooh. Yes. Nice thought.
In hex39 the wise man is in a "strange outside land" considering how to use/develop his integrity to adapt to the situation.

In hex12 he is in a "strange internal land" considering how to quickly get out of it so as not to compromise his integrity.
That makes a really interesting counterpart to the post Hans deleted. Hans, can we have it back? :flirt:
 
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That makes a really interesting counterpart to the post Hans deleted. Hans, can we have it back? :flirt:
Ok, let me see what I remember of it. 😄
39.3.4.6 to 12 - maybe difficulties that feel like an unconditional 'no'?
If you take 'going forward/on' and 'coming back' not literally but as expressions of yang and yin (going forward is yang, action, directed outwards and coming back is yin, passive, directed inwards), the lines take on a different meaning. So from this perspective, the advice of lines 3, 4 and 6 now becomes to solve the obstacle not through action but by turning inwards e.g. adopting a different attitude or solving the inner obstacle.
A similar advice is given in the text of the Image
Thus the superior person reflects on himself
And cultivates his character.
You could say that when the advice of the 3 lines together is ignored there arises, a "real" obstacle outside yourself, namely H12. This is because in H12, the communication between inside (Earth) and outside (Heaven) is broken.
H39 >H12 reminds me of what is called projection in psychology: what we do not want to see in ourselves or is denied/suppressed, is projected onto the outside world. Something or someone else is responsible for the situation or problems. An inner "obstacle" becomes an outer 'obstacle".

So by interpreting 'going foward' and 'coming back' differently, the unconditional 'no' becomes now a 'no' unless...

These are my concoctions on the subject. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest 😉
 
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In hex12 he is in a "strange internal land"
So from this perspective, the advice of lines 3, 4 and 6 now becomes to solve the obstacle not through action but by turning inwards e.g. adopting a different attitude or solving the inner obstacle.
Reminds me of this:
 

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I like 'coming back' as turning inward - I think that could be very useful in readings.

I'd call religiously interpreting the second/resulting hexagram as the outcome a 'Hexagram 39' kind of obstruction, and recommend some :|:|:: ;)
 
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I'd call religiously interpreting the second/resulting hexagram as the outcome a 'Hexagram 39' kind of obstruction, and recommend some
Normally I would not do that, but since the relationship between H39 and H12 was specifically asked for here... 😉
 
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The related hexagram as I see it can have different functions, sometimes it is a result, sometimes a support, from the Daoist approach it is the related hexagramthat brings balance to the imbalance in the original hexagram.
In this case, I think it fits to see H12 as a result, but you can also see it as a balance. When you ignore the advice of lines 3,4,5 in H39, the balance is brought by H12, which says NO. Stop, up to here and no further.
 

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I find the relating hexagram is usually more of a subjective context - 'what it's about for you'. Impossible to say anything much about imaginary readings, of course, but with 39 to 12, I thought of experiencing the 39-y obstruction as a 'no'. Which would be a good reason to turn round and come back.
 
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I find the relating hexagram is usually more of a subjective context - 'what it's about for you'. Impossible to say anything much about imaginary readings, of course, but with 39 to 12, I thought of experiencing the 39-y obstruction as a 'no'. Which would be a good reason to turn round and come back.
Absolutely true, but don't you think both can be correct at the same time?
That is what I always love about working with the Yi, that when you look at an answer from a slightly different perspective or when someone other than yourself gives an interpretation, a new layer of meaning suddenly presents itself.
If I were to interpret H39<>H12 from the trigrams, something may come forward that is completely unrelated to what we have put together in this blog post so far (depending of course on the question) 😄 .

I "nicked" a motto from Harmen Mesker a few years ago: No rules, only suggestions. Personally, I believe that is the best way to deal with interpreting a response from the Yi.
 
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It could well be worth considering 12 and 39 in respect of the hexagram sequence (Huang's names)

11 Advance; 12 Hinderance; 13 Seeking Harmony - a contraction (11 to 12); an expansion (12 to 13)

38 Diversity; 39 Hardship; 40 Relief - another display of a contraction and expansion sequence'

12 is perhaps darker in it's essence, the flow is clogged, and calls out from a place of gradual progress (nuc 53). It's theme is more one of self restraint through withdrawal into self to seek a measure of atonement or reparation. Any semblance of the great has gone. i.e. there is no more Advance at all; and the small is all you have left surrounding you. Your only option is to find a different way to do things i.e. you need to regroup (atone) in order to the move forward 'Seeking Harmony' .Karcher, I think, gives a succinct and apt summary when speaking of the obstruction.
This is what must die to make way for the new

39 is driven by a sense of things not yet being fulfilled (nuc 64). Life has in some way cast you aside (38) and this energy doesn't clog you completely, as you are able to stagger along (39) and can endeavour to overcome the difficulties through introspection and personal development in order to gain some relief (40).

There is perhaps a sense of taking time to line up your ducks in a new order for the next step in 39 (the ducks you have have not reached their full potential- 64), whereas in 12 the only option is to shoot all the ducks you have (one at a time - 53) and bring in some chickens in stead.

... or it might mean nothing like this at all.
 
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Absolutely true, but don't you think both can be correct at the same time?
Oh yes, definitely. I am very fond of 'both... and...' in readings. Also, I think that the two 'different' ideas of 39 > 12 we came up with from our different approaches might merge quite naturally in someone's actual experience of a reading. Further apart in theory than in practice, in other words.
 

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There is perhaps a sense of taking time to line up your ducks in a new order for the next step in 39 (the ducks you have have not reached their full potential- 64), whereas in 12 the only option is to shoot all the ducks you have (one at a time - 53) and bring in some chickens in stead.
Hexagram 12?
 

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Well there is no suggestion of them forming an orderly line so it has to be 12. No sign of a shotgun yet either, but I suppose there is still time for that.
 

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It's OK - watch to the end, and they reach line 6 with barely a feather ruffled.
 

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I see what you mean. It took a while for them to receive the mandate (4) but when they did they proceeded forward with gusto in an orderly fashion - no pushing or shoving (5) and from what I could make out, it looked like they were off down the pub for a bit of a knees-up at the end(6).

It must have been really hard for those ducks having that scary big lorry and the car blocking their way. You've just got to feel for them!
 
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Thank you for this. I have received both of these hexagrams many, many times over the past three and a half years (also 36 and 18), and indeed. I've never given up but it's been very hard. Your insights into the energies are so helpful.
 
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