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‘Blocking it, non-people.
Noble one’s constancy bears no fruit.
Great goes, small comes.’
‘Limping. Fruitful in the west and south,
Not fruitful in the east and north.
Fruitful to see great people.
Constancy, good fortune.’
“Obstruction is a poor choice of names in this context, even without the confusion with Gua 39. It may be a valid gloss for the word Pǐ (also pronounced Fǒu) in its broader usage in the language, but its use here betrays a misunderstanding of the forces at work in this Gua. These forces are moving in different directions, away from each other, not in opposition or confrontation.”
From https://www.hermetica.info/GuaMing.htm which is not just a list of hexagram names.
‘Above the mountain, there is water. Limping.
Noble one turns himself around to renew his character.’
‘Heaven and earth do not interact. Blocked.
A noble one uses her strength sparingly to avoid hardship.
She does not allow herself honours and payment.’
‘Pulling up thatch grass, roots entangled,
With more of its kind.
Constancy, good fortune. Creating success.’
12.1
‘Going on, limping; coming back, turnaround.’
39.3
‘There is a mandate, no mistake.
Work with clarity, fulfilment.’
‘Overturning the block.
Before, blocked. Afterwards, rejoicing.’
12.4.6
In other words you want to act but you cannot. You have to hold back.Thus the superior person restrains himself and preserves his inner virtue
In order to escape difficulties and hardships.
The text here advises self-reflection and character improvement, which shows that something can be done about the situation. E.g. a different attitude towards or in the situation can make a difference.Thus the superior person reflects on himself
And cultivates his character.
hilary said:It left me wondering about that too, but I thought I'd better not bite off more than I could chew. Let's give it a go with the wisdom of the group...
Oooh. Yes. Nice thought.is there any possibility the going-on/coming-back lines are each farther up the mountain?
That makes a really interesting counterpart to the post Hans deleted. Hans, can we have it back?In hex39 the wise man is in a "strange outside land" considering how to use/develop his integrity to adapt to the situation.
In hex12 he is in a "strange internal land" considering how to quickly get out of it so as not to compromise his integrity.
Ok, let me see what I remember of it.That makes a really interesting counterpart to the post Hans deleted. Hans, can we have it back?
If you take 'going forward/on' and 'coming back' not literally but as expressions of yang and yin (going forward is yang, action, directed outwards and coming back is yin, passive, directed inwards), the lines take on a different meaning. So from this perspective, the advice of lines 3, 4 and 6 now becomes to solve the obstacle not through action but by turning inwards e.g. adopting a different attitude or solving the inner obstacle.39.3.4.6 to 12 - maybe difficulties that feel like an unconditional 'no'?
You could say that when the advice of the 3 lines together is ignored there arises, a "real" obstacle outside yourself, namely H12. This is because in H12, the communication between inside (Earth) and outside (Heaven) is broken.Thus the superior person reflects on himself
And cultivates his character.
In hex12 he is in a "strange internal land"
Reminds me of this:So from this perspective, the advice of lines 3, 4 and 6 now becomes to solve the obstacle not through action but by turning inwards e.g. adopting a different attitude or solving the inner obstacle.
Normally I would not do that, but since the relationship between H39 and H12 was specifically asked for here...I'd call religiously interpreting the second/resulting hexagram as the outcome a 'Hexagram 39' kind of obstruction, and recommend some
Absolutely true, but don't you think both can be correct at the same time?I find the relating hexagram is usually more of a subjective context - 'what it's about for you'. Impossible to say anything much about imaginary readings, of course, but with 39 to 12, I thought of experiencing the 39-y obstruction as a 'no'. Which would be a good reason to turn round and come back.
This is what must die to make way for the new
Oh yes, definitely. I am very fond of 'both... and...' in readings. Also, I think that the two 'different' ideas of 39 > 12 we came up with from our different approaches might merge quite naturally in someone's actual experience of a reading. Further apart in theory than in practice, in other words.Absolutely true, but don't you think both can be correct at the same time?
Hexagram 12?There is perhaps a sense of taking time to line up your ducks in a new order for the next step in 39 (the ducks you have have not reached their full potential- 64), whereas in 12 the only option is to shoot all the ducks you have (one at a time - 53) and bring in some chickens in stead.
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