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‘Already rained, already come to rest.
Honour the power it carries.
The wife’s constancy brings danger,
The moon is almost full.
Noble one sets out to bring order – pitfall.’
Hexagram 9, line 6
‘King Yi marries off the maidens.
The first wife’s sleeves are not as fine as the younger sister’s.
The moon almost full, good fortune.’
Hexagram 54, line 5
‘The moon almost full,
A horse’s yoke-mate runs away.
No mistake.’
Hexagram 61, line 4
‘A moon rising white
Is the beauty of my lovely one.
Ah, the tenderness, the grace!
Heart’s pain consumes me.’
Song 143 from The Book of Songs
‘Already rained, already come to rest.
Honour the power it carries.
The wife’s constancy brings danger,
The moon is almost full.
Noble one sets out to bring order – pitfall.’
‘A cart losing its wheel spokes.
Husband and wife avert their eyes.’
‘Heng E stole it [the elixir of immortality] to flee to the moon. When she was about to go, she had the stalks divined by milfoil by You Huang. You Huang prognosticated them and said: Auspicious. So soaring the returning maiden, alone about to travel westward. Meeting heaven’s dark void; do not tremble, do not fear. Afterwards there will be great prosperity.’
Edward Shaughnessy, Unearthing the Changes
‘King Yi marries off the maidens.
The first wife’s sleeves are not as fine as the younger sister’s.
The moon almost full, good fortune.’
‘The moon almost full,
A horse’s mate runs away.
No mistake.’
I haven't seen the phase of the Moon used directly anywhere other then the month pillar in the lunar calendar I think.Thanks, Gmulii. Do you know of any qualities attributed to the phases of the moon - this phase is a good time for journeys, that one a good time for marriages - that kind of thing?
(The old sources I found described particular auspices and qualities of time attributed to where the moon was, but not its phase.)
.... Wilhelm's .... commentary for 9.6: 'Because the (6th) line moves, the trigram Wind, becomes the trigram 'rain and moon' (Moving Water). The line stands at the top of Wind - gentle and devoted - which has gradually accumulated within itself the powers of the Creative (Heaven, lower trigram), so that the desired effect has been achieved ....'
Thanks. I apologize for my early morning (pre-coffee) ramblings about the Thames Barrier ... it made 'sense' at the time (and I still find it interesting), but looking back I realize that it was based on Rutt's translation, and are perhaps confusing in this thread - which I didn't want to turn into a Rutt / anti-Rutt discussion.I like the point about growing with the phases of the moon ....
Yes, for the natural associations, but not so much for trigrams. Wilhelm points out that 9.6 changes to kan and that 54.5 is in a nuclear trigram kan in the original hexagram; for 61.4, with no kan anywhere in sight, he doesn't mention trigrams.I can envision different forces at work in line 9.6: moving water, rain and moon, gentle wind, the creative Heavens (as described by Wilhelm's discussion of the trigrams) - and I assume this can be true with other lines about the full or almost full moon.
Hilary, I’m not sure what you mean here? (Or am I taking this out of context?).... he doesn't mention trigrams ....
Yes, out of context.for 61.4, with no kan anywhere in sight, he doesn't mention trigrams
Thanks for clarifying this. I was looking at Wilhelm's (and I assume the Confucian's) use of trigrams, whereas you were referring to one Line 61.4 - and I missed that detail.Wilhelm points out that 9.6 changes to kan and that 54.5 is in a nuclear trigram kan in the original hexagram; for 61.4, with no kan anywhere in sight, he doesn't mention trigrams.
Yes, out of context.
Best, D... in Wilhelm’s Book III, I found many (but not in all cases) instances ... where he talks ... (about) the attributes of the trigrams - and in some cases, the nuclear trigrams ....
Rather you 5 ??? I'm not sure what that means. Best, DRather you 5.
You mean 'Trust the process' ?"Rather you 5. Wait."
9.6 changes to 5. Waiting
I'm seeing 9.6 as meaning that time when you've done all you can do and you have to stop fussing with the project and just wait to see what the response is. Like you tell someone a joke and then you have to wait to see if they get it. If you have explain it too much it wont get a laugh.
Unlike the previous two lines, this one puts the waxing moon first – emphasising that the light is getting brighter, we’re almost there, on the cusp of alignment and perfect rapport.
It may be not the right time for him to set out, he doesn't need to, things are already well on their way to some kind of manifestation without him or her meddling in it. The moon draws the tides and liquid in us and our emotions and tides of happenings, that's why it's not the time to get active in making things happen. They already are happening and the reason it says 'the moon is almost full' is I believe to tell you that you don't quite see that yet, it's not yet apparent that things are coming to a head but Yi is telling you, predictively, that they will. You must have experienced times where all manner of events were coming together without your knowledge to change a situation and yet you were unaware of it. At such times it wouldn't be a good idea to get busy changing things because unbeknown to you there are things going on that will change things for you.With the moon almost full, this line’s on the verge of that perfect partnershp. Its rising energy has to do with relationship, turning towards one another and coming into alignment – a terrible time for him to turn his face away from the home and set out to war.
This is a valid point Trojina.The full moon is not at all a time of perfect rapport and alignment it's a time of opposition, crisis, sometimes fulfilment. Things come to a head for good or for ill. I think that's a pretty universal understanding of the significance of the full moon, or at least to me it seems intuitively irrefutable.
What about 61.4 - any thoughts on that?
Hex 54 the hexagram akin to childhood memories Hide and Seek and of " Coming, coming ready or not". The fine new sleeves are showing what they have to offer, more than the old jaded garments worn by the current ruler of the roost. Woe betide you or anyone else who steps in the way of the new broom sweeping clean. Here you have no choice but to be open to the shake up that has been set in motion.That fits 54.5, except that the culmination is coming not in a few days but after many years. What about 61.4 - any thoughts on that?
I didn't manage to find any Chinese sources that attributed meanings to lunar phases, so it's good to have the Western-astrological view.
So 'moon almost full' meaning 'things are coming to a head, culmination imminent, you may not be able to see it yet but here it comes'?
That fits 54.5, except that the culmination is coming not in a few days but after many years. What about 61.4 - any thoughts on that?
Because the moon moves so quickly through the signs (it's the fastest moving of all the planets in astrology), it's constantly forming aspects with other planets, which ignites its power and subsequently affects our moods, our emotions, our energy levels, and more. But once the moon has completed the final aspect to another planet within a certain sign's realm, it's considered void-of-course until it enters the next sign. This marks a period of time when the moon is totally on her own, floating through the zodiac without any influence from any of the other planets that are usually there to bounce their energy off her.
What about 61.4 - any thoughts on that?
I wonder if the 'void moon' is a thing in Chinese astrology too. (Is there someone round these forums who'd know?)
Also, you could say the trigrams of 61 are standing facing one another, like moon & sun. I know neither trigram's associated with either, but still...
I do like exploring in this more abstract way, e.g. what does this line and it's moon mean? However - as I've often said, but I think it bears repeating - the answer, the "what does this mean" will be different depending on our question / query, e.g:
* what should I cook my boss for dinner?
* why don't they love me anymore?
* how sick will I get if I contract the COVID Delta variant and I haven't been vaccinated yet?
What about 61.4 - any thoughts on that?
I think Hilary, along with most people here, surely already know that. Surely that is generally taken as a given, I mean she does teach I Ching courses .....
I think what you've missed is that her question ...
I do like exploring in this more abstract way, e.g. what does this line and it's moon mean? However - as I've often said, but I think it bears repeating - the answer, the "what does this mean" will be different depending on our question / query, e.g:
* what should I cook my boss for dinner?
* why don't they love me anymore?
* how sick will I get if I contract the COVID Delta variant and I haven't been vaccinated yet?
It's just the idea Hilary wouldn't know that is just quite strange ....
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