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can you apply OR exclusive operator on multiple changing lines from fan yao?

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Oh now what is wrong with my diagrams. The entire point of Courier New is so they won't be all jagged. Argh.
 

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I was wondering if you applied xor to the changing line hexagram you obtained something something like the related hexagram since the fanyao has different hexagrams but I assume it cant be done it has to be the same hexagram. jsut i found curious that mixing both changing hexagram lines's name ended getting the related hexagram

hex 5 39 describes a well apparently ti is just the same result of using xor on the main hex changing lines
Topher, you know we appreciate you, but I still can't understand a word of this.

Remo has been explaining XOR for us, bless him, so now we understand that it is something you apply to two things, comparing them. So...

if you applied xor to the changing line hexagram
using xor on the main hex changing lines
...how are you thinking of applying it to just one hexagram? What are you xor-ing this hexagram with?

Also, by 'changing line hexagram' do you mean the zhi gua/ 'step of change'?

since the fanyao has different hexagrams
A fan yao is a single line. One line is in one hexagram.

Liselle has made a guess at what you might have meant...
Well, the fan yao is a line in a hexagram... if there are multiple moving lines, the various fan yaos are in different hexagrams...
...is that it? That each line in the first hexagram changes to a different hexagram?

(I don't understand why you are talking about the fan yao at all. You didn't quote them in your example at all, only the names of the zhi gua / steps of change - the whole hexagram, not the individual lines.)

I assume it cant be done it has to be the same hexagram
What can't be done?

What has to be the same hexagram? The same as what?

Like I said, it would help if you could give an example for every single step of what you're saying.
 

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to get the xor operation done one should only probably use the same hexagram apparently I am sorry for the poorly expressed idea, how I could see that the hexagrams could look like 48 if removed the lines that belong to 63. nvm


if both lines are combined in meaning of their name you could get something you found something is obstructed and could being nourishment while you wait for it to be fixed (well that is how i percept 48)

but these lines arent close
 

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And you can do the ‘opposite’ too: replace any-non moving line with a solid (yang) line, and any moving lines with a broken (yin ) line.
Yes, you would use the binary XNOR operator in that case :)
 

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Topher,
I suspect you just intended to loosely use "xor" to mean that you would consider one hexagram or the other but not both. Instead, I jumped in with the formal definition that might not apply to your case.
Sorry about that.
 

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Hi Topher,


What you are looking for, using XOR, is to understand how hex48 "contributes" to the 63.1.2>48 reading. In this example you posted, using the hex of the fan yao, is an additional, complementary way to understand the dynamics of hex48. In fact, the 63.1.2>48 reading already contains this contribution, but from a mathematical point of view, it is hidden. - There is a "hidden cycle" there.

As you can see, hex 39 + hex 52 does not lead directly to hex 48. The relationship is not direct but indirect via change operators. What happens here, from the point of view of mathematical structure, is to fix the yin operator components, keeping the same structure in the reading 63.12>48, and open space for complementary information through the yang operator and the cycle created by 39.1.2>5 or 5.1.2>39.

The question you raised may seem like something related to just another way to add information to the reading, but despite this appearance it has behind it a tool that integrates a more objective way, in what is possible, of highlighting a reading, which is part of a cycle, and its various components, often hidden and that help to meditate on what the reading wants to say.


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The relationship is not direct but indirect via change operators. What happens here, from the point of view of mathematical structure, is to fix the yin operator components, keeping the same structure in the reading 63.12>48, and open space for complementary information through the yang operator and the cycle created by 39.1.2>5 or 5.1.2>39.
I don't really follow what you are saying here, but no matter. From the Wizard's mouth (Stephan Karcher's own words), about the change operators (CO):
Yang CO - Inner Yang or Inspiration Operator describes the inner transformative aspects of a situation. You find this by placing a yang or unbroken line in each place where change (a moving line) is occurring; and you place a yin or broken line in each stable place. These are independent of the particular qualities of the changing and stable lines in your hexagram (e.g. it does not matter if the lines that are changing are broken or solid).​
Yin CO - Outer Yin or Realization Operator describes the places where change occurs (DF - in the outer world, or?) and its possibilities of realizing your desires. Make the same changes as above, but opposite: use a broken line wherever there's a changing / moving line ....​

In both cases - as in all 'supplemental info' - these are meant to help us understand and gain more insight and details about the reading we actually get - and these don't replace the reading. Also, I think 'realizing your desires' (for yin CO) is an odd phrase, but that's what the Wiz said. I think it's better to think that this is 'the places where change occurs', and leave it at that.
 

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Hi Dfreed

I don't really follow what you are saying here, but no matter. From the Wizard's mouth (Stephan Karcher's own words), about the change operators (CO):
Yang CO - Inner Yang or Inspiration Operator describes the inner transformative aspects of a situation.

Yin CO - Outer Yin or Realization Operator describes the places where change occurs (DF - in the outer world, or?)
yes, I agree with the definition, but they are not just words with that general sense, they are also part of a cycle, that I didn't see Stephan Karcher talking about, ... and that they are almost like a messenger, a glue that connects "opposite states" of elements within a cycle.

I understand that this topic may be obscure but there is much more to the change operator than Stephan Karcher disclosed.

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What happens here, from the point of view of mathematical structure, is to fix the yin operator components, keeping the same structure in the reading 63.12>48, and open space for complementary information through the yang operator and the cycle created by 39.1.2>5 or 5.1.2>39.

The question you raised may seem like something related to just another way to add information to the reading, but despite this appearance it has behind it a tool that integrates a more objective way, in what is possible, of highlighting a reading, which is part of a cycle, and its various components, often hidden and that help to meditate on what the reading wants to say.

yes, I agree with the definition, but they are not just words with that general sense, they are also part of a cycle, that I didn't see Stephan Karcher talking about, ... and that they are almost like a messenger, a glue that connects "opposite states" of elements within a cycle.

I understand that this topic may be obscure but there is much more to the change operator than Stephan Karcher disclosed.

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This is interesting! I see what you mean: the yang operator connects the individual steps of change, too. But it sounds as though you've gone much further with this, with the idea of a cycle. Can you say more - or suggest something to read?
 

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.... they are not just words with that general sense, they are also part of a cycle, .... they are almost like a messenger, a glue that connects "opposite states" of elements within a cycle .... there is much more to the change operators than Karcher disclosed.
This is an interpretive tool you find useful and you find worth delving into more deeply. I'm not inclined to do so (at least right now), but as Sly Stone said, "different strokes for different folks" - and perhaps I might choose to delve more deeply into another aspect of a reading.

Best, D.
 

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Hi Hilary,
Yes, as soon as I can I will describe it in a more detailed way in a separate topic, since it is a tool that mathematically unites several concepts that may seem separate but in reality are part of the same "organism".
But some more details about this tool:
This tool uses the reading as a whole.... the lines that change as well as the other lines. Each type of line has a well defined position and practical implication for the reading, within the cycle.
In this tool, limit situations like unchanging hexagrams or those that change to their opposite, are particular cases of this cycle.

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