Cards of Destiny

[solun]

I am probably officially hopeless somehow. After having returned my four excellent and renewed I ching books to the library, I have checked out four more on Russian, Egyptian, Chinese and something else I can't now remember literature anthologies. It's turning out to be a very poetic experience - which is good.

Problem is I feel like I am all over the place. I am divination hopping and it's really too much. Maybe I am a divination junkie because I am getting into Cards of Destiny now. These aren't Tarot cards, but a system that uses the regular card deck (52). There's according to me a lot of hocus pocus background about it, and I've no desire to be so gullible, but was wondering if anyone elso out there had any experience with them, what they think/thought...?

 

[dobro p]

No, I don't know that system, but if you're an oracle junkie and if you're into cards, check out the Faeries' Oracle, a 66-card deck using images by Brian Froud, and text by Jessica Macbeth. Beautiful and awesome.

 

[proph]

I'm a divination explorer, and playing cards aren't much different than Tarot, you can actually give REALLY accurate readings with them using various methods.

I prefer using cards when I want to do a more complex question where I want to see more than a couple angles, and my favorite method of card divination is The Mayan Oracle (cards), it's very interesting and the background to it is great history and culture.

As for the cards of destiny, man, so much to say about them Where to start. Cards started out sort of like the IC, except instead of representing consicousness patterns through symbols, it was through layers of archetypical symbolic meaning. The oldest cards I've been able to find were similar to a 52 card deck, which is why that deck became so popular, as it was so close to the actual original cards used for divination but in a very simplified format for ease of reading. Whereas generally Tarot have many symbols per card, including letters in hebrew and etc, "playing" card type divination deck only included a number and symbol for it's category instead of specific symbols per card. So, you had to know how to read them to use them, meaning you had to be familiar with other cards as well and also Numerology, astrology, and etc.

:bows:

 

[rosada]

I knew someone once who lived their life following The Cards of Destiny. They were a rather annoying person, however, absolutely insisting activities be set up according to their cards' time table. So I didn't hang around long enough to see how accurate the readings were. But my impression was that the card's could be uncannily accurate - and yet still not do one's soul any good. I prefer The I Ching because along with getting good advice, studying the oracle seems to improve one's spirit.

 

[dobro p]

I knew someone once who lived their life following The Cards of Destiny. They were a rather annoying person, however, absolutely insisting activities be set up according to their cards' time table. So I didn't hang around long enough to see how accurate the readings were. But my impression was that the card's could be uncannily accurate - and yet still not do one's soul any good. I prefer The I Ching because along with getting good advice, studying the oracle seems to improve one's spirit.

Well, if they're 'uncannily accurate', what's the 'still do not one's soul any good' bit about, then? How do you know when something's doing your soul any good? Everything you've said seems to add up to: "I like the I Ching because I feel good about it. As for the other one, it's okay, but I don't feel so good about it." Look, wisdom can talk through any oracle, and it doesn't matter who's used it or how it makes you feel. Either it works, or it doesn't. If it works, it's good news.

I think pretty much ANY oracle works. It's just a matter of personal preference which one you decide to work with.

I still want you to answer the question, though. What do you mean by that 'still not do one's soul any good'.

 

[Trojina]

I know exactly what Rosada means for i have the same sense with tarot cards. Its just a personal thing, I think thats what Rosada was expressing. Its like the information may be accurate but theres no sense of heart there. Personally i feel the Yi has a heart or answers in a way that is best for your whole self. Giving only accurate information only isn't much use, infact it can be the cruellest thing one can do on some occasions

I don't think all oracles are the same anyway. I feel cards are empty..as if no oracle dwells there. I also tend to feel any old entity can come through cards and i don't feel that is so with the Yi. Its my view theres all kinds of energies around that might pop in to give you a glimpse of the future, but of itself that can be a fairly hollow thing...no insight and sometimes the danger of just silly games if you know what i mean.

Of course thats a personal view, like Rosadas was but Solun is asking people for their thoughts, not the objective truth (whatever that is).

Some people really loves cards, infact they are way more popular than the Yi and theres so many in the shops of all kinds I tend to see them basically as art work which may function as some kind of channel/mirror for some people though i usually think 'yes pretty' and put them back on the shelf.

 

[rosada]

Yeah, what she said.

 

[rosada]

Thank you so much for asking this question, dobro! I have been thinking about it all morning and I think I've gotten some valid insight as to why I feel as I do about the Cards of Destiny system. So now I'd like to examine it a bit more fully:
The Cards of Destiny system, as I understand it, does not include Random Chance as does the I Ching and the standard tarot. It is kinda the Scientology of card reading as it assigns you specific cards according to your birthdate and the date you're asking about and from there tells you what to expect or what activities are favored. Kinda like biorhythms. So it might tell you "Your money luck is strong today," and be right on - but it wouldn't include any Random Chance, and thus would not have the life force necessary to connect with your inner spirit. As you continue to rely on this source, you don't rely on your own inner knowingness, and thus you lose touch with your soul. Or not. Anyway, maybe that's my thought for the day..

 

[dobro p]

Ah okay, understood. Thanks for the ideas.

 

[diamanda]

I have tried the normal deck of cards, as well as other oracles, and i've seen them
working. And i feel exactly the same way about the I Ching as Rosada and Trojan.
It's good for your soul because it is not just a divination method, it's not like any
other oracle, and it is not just an oracle. It is also an amazing teacher, a philosophy,
and a way of life. Other oracles just tell you what will and won't, and what may or
may not, happen. The I Ching goes further, it gives you advice on how to act, how to
not act, what other choices you have, how to deal with your feelings, and it goes as
far as to soothe you like a loving entity, when things are not so good. Its lessons can
be applied in so many cases, without even you having to cast sometimes. For example,
once you've read and understood 58:5, how can you ever forget the lesson? I think i'm
just trying to say the same thing as Rosada and Trojan actually.

 

[dobro p]

Diamanda, I'm going to start a thread based on something you've said in your post. Come and join in.

 

[Trojina]

I have tried the normal deck of cards, as well as other oracles, and i've seen them
working. And i feel exactly the same way about the I Ching as Rosada and Trojan.
It's good for your soul because it is not just a divination method, it's not like any
other oracle, and it is not just an oracle. It is also an amazing teacher, a philosophy,
and a way of life. Other oracles just tell you what will and won't, and what may or
may not, happen. The I Ching goes further, it gives you advice on how to act, how to
not act, what other choices you have, how to deal with your feelings, and it goes as
far as to soothe you like a loving entity, when things are not so good. Its lessons can
be applied in so many cases, without even you having to cast sometimes. For example,
once you've read and understood 58:5, how can you ever forget the lesson? I think i'm
just trying to say the same thing as Rosada and Trojan actually.

Yes i think so, and laugh at you, sometimes chide you, and generally connect to your humaness in all its frailty. I never got that sense from cards.

 

[solun]

wow, thanks everyone, these are all great insights and things I have felt, too. Esp about the cards being more scientific in a sense. But I think it was more of a feeling because they are appearing to be only numbers and suits. I am only recently exposed to them

Yes, this is all very thought provoking. I've been studying esoteric things most of my life (nine of clubs bc/jack of hearts prc) ie numerology (gematria), astrology, i ching, semiology, languages, religion & spirituality, lately fixed stars and implications of angelic energies operating in the horoscope and astrocartography. I am a visual artist, designer, musician ... etc,
So I have a lot to draw from.
While I believe any system is worth whatever you can get out of it, I agree that it should be something that doesn't just inform, but has an underlying edifying purpose, something elemental that drives or motivates or inspires the soul toward the best of things, toward enlightenment, which is ultimately expressed in 'pure' love ... a science of sorts, since we seem to have to educate ourselves and train ourselves life long to best practice it.

Lately I am wondering how we can suppose ourselves able to understand or apprehend our lives, our world, with 64 hexagrams and ideas about the expansion and contraction duality in nature, 52 cards and a birthday, in short a numerical system. It seems a bit pathetic at times. Maybe I am just getting jaded and need to go study plants or something. But you can bet i'd be analyzing their morphology, etc in terms of these 'other' sciences we study. So here we go, now I am an alchemist and medeival herbalist to boot, It's hopeless, where am i going with this??? Who can I help? May be that I need to get more serious about writing on these subjects...

I do need to get back to focusing on my soul, not just accumulating knowledge, as if that were actually what was happening I think maybe I am just amusing myself, which is divination abuse, maybe, or faithlessness, or restlessness or all of the above

You guys are great, keep a rambling on, don't mind me

 

[proph]

Something you may find interesting.

* There are 52 cards in a deck and 52 weeks in a year
* There are 12 Royal Court Cards (4 Jacks, 4 Queens, & 4 Kings) and 12 months in a year
* If you add up all the cards (their numbers Jacks=11, Queens=12, Kings=13) in the deck you get 364? (The Joker has a value of 1 1/4 and accounts for the leap year)
* Divide 364 by 7 and you get 52. Therefore, we have 7 periods of 52 days in each year
* There are 7 days in a week and 7 visible bodies in the heavens
* The black of the Club and Spade suit is night and the red of the Heart and Diamond suit is day
* There are 4 suits and 4 seasons
* There are 13 lunar months (moon cycles) of 28 days and 13 cards in each suit?

:bows:

 

[solun]

yup, and I don't know why the math of that particular calendar should reign supreme, and maybe it doesn't. But calendars are an interesting topic. this one is pretty neat and sweet, whereas others are considered to be more precise in terms of - what - I wonder? Measuring patterns in time ... me no know ?

One thing I found recently that concerns me is some heavily fated cards for a certain celebrity this year. I don't know if I should try to say something to them ... Probably not. But what if .. and then i didn't. This is scary kind of. Any thoughts?

 

[proph]

If it's fate, you can't change it, so either way..

 

[solun]

Perhaps not proph, but I may be able to change my level of responsibility and involvement with fate. Fate doesn't necessarily mean fatalistic. We may not be able to change the particular principle of fate addressing our life experience, but we can, I think, by enlightened interaction and reflection, maybe alter the hue of it's effects. I'd like to think so anyway.

 

[bamboo]

Interesting thoughts, Solun. the last post and the one prior.
Did you see this that Hollis just posted in another thread in Reading Circle?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxQuPBX1_U NOt an answer, but the question explored..

btw, how would you contact the celebrity in question? If you didnt have an inside connection, they might think you were a kook! worth a shot, though, perhaps....kind of reminds me of a TV show that never made it, Tru Calling...if you never saw it, too hard to explain! but she got a lot of flak for trying to warn people of things she had precognition of.

 

[rosada]

And you can always pray for them.

 

[Sparhawk]

I love Tru Calling! There are marathons of the program in the SciFi Channel, every once in a while. I watched a few episodes a last week. Yes, I know what you mean about precognition and people...

 

[solun]

Well I probly won't contact them.
But I think it could be done if one were to present or represent themselves well and sincerely with the understanding offered that I didn't expect anything in return, but just felt obligated to not so much 'warn' them as encourage extra caution.
I have this persons contact info, so that's not so much an issue. I just don't know how successful I would be in getting through. Also, having done this persons chart, and other readings, they are interested in metaphysics. Or have a natural proclivity towards it. And their cards even say they will be introduced to it this year!
It jsut makes me wonder because they have so many - death cards - this year. Which can mean many other things, but it's really al over the place. Either way, it's going to be a really challenging year for them.

I did a reading for myself on the 2012 December solstice and I have two Aces, both spades. I have looked at other cards around then for other people and it seems normal. Maybe I'm gonna get zapped!

 

[solun]

And you can always pray for them.

yes rosada, absolutely! that's where I am putting most of my energy - that it will be about a positive transformation for them. Sending good energy and love must be at least as powerful as 'knowledge.'

 

[bamboo]

Luis, wow! another Tru Calling fan. I seriously think it was the name of show that got it booted.

 

[Sparhawk]

Luis, wow! another Tru Calling fan. I seriously think it was the name of show that got it booted.

I'm a SciFi junkie... (so is Bradford Hatcher, btw; you and I are in good company)