Chances of dog recovering from accident hexagram 18

[AnitaS]

One of my rescued dogs who has been with me since puppyhood was hit by a car couple of days ago. I wish I knew who it was. The vet says she has multiple fractures in her pelvis. She can’t walk and cries when she moves. Surgery is complicated and expensive. Her ability to poop may be affected and that too worries me Because she hasn’t since the accident. I’m hoping my reiki will heal her as it has other dogs but her distress is too sad. I asked the Yi whether there are chances of recovery and drew hexagram 18 unchanging. Does this mean the surgery is required? Thank you.

 

[rosada]

My experiences with hexagram 18. have been that it refers to healing that takes place on different level of consciousness, healing that takes place in our sleep or after contacting higher wisdom through prayer. Perhaps this is a reference to your giving her reiki treatments, so maybe receiving this is encouragement for that. OTOH, it's unchanging so that may indicate the treatments don't facilitate a change/healing. Your specific question was "what are the chances of recovery?" and the oracle mentions three days before and three days after which to me sounds like you may need to do the treatments for several days before you can evaluate the results - but that can't be right because I imagine the animal shouldn't wait that long if there needs to be surgery. I don't know anymore than this. I'm only posting in hopes it may stir up some insights. I am so sorry you and your dear "friend" are having to go through this.

 

[AnitaS]

Thank you Rosada. I’m up all night thinking about this. The vet said surgery may not be successful. I will ask my colour therapist whether there is a way. The nerves are damaged too and the vet said this could make her incontinent. But waste not passed can lead to sepsis and she is still constipated. But eating normally. She’s an old dog so that makes surgery more difficult. Prayer yes and reiki seems the only way. Hopefully some colour therapy too.

 

[rosada]

My "go to" prayer or spell when reality is not connecting the dots as I would like, is to first ask a question in a positive form such as, "Why is it so easy for my dog to heal?" (rather than "Will she heal?") and then to go through the alphabet and say one positive word for each letter, A - Alive, B - Beautiful, C - Comfort, etc. Think of it as going through every nook and cranny of your mind with a magnet that is going to draw out the answer you are looking for and sure enough shortly after doing this something will happen. An idea pops into your head or maybe even a message from the outer world.

 

[AnitaS]

My "go to" prayer or spell when reality is not connecting the dots as I would like, is to first ask a question in a positive form such as, "Why is it so easy for my dog to heal?" (rather than "Will she heal?") and then to go through the alphabet and say one positive word for each letter, A - Alive, B - Beautiful, C - Comfort, etc. Think of it as going through every nook and cranny of your mind with a magnet that is going to draw out the answer you are looking for and sure enough shortly after doing this something will happen. An idea pops into your head or maybe even a message from the outer world.

Thank you Rosada. Sounds interesting. I will try it.

 

[Liselle]

Anita, I'm so sorry this happened. I have cats, I know how upsetting and difficult this is.

I don't know what your philosophy is, and of course whatever it is it's yours and it's not my place to "tell" you anything - I understand that, too. But with two of my cats, I waited what I now know was too long to euthanize them. It's very clear in hindsight the writing was on the wall, but at the time I denied it, and also thought I didn't have the medical knowledge to understand what I was seeing. For some inexplicable reason with one cat our vet did not spell things out clearly. (I started going to a different vet after that.)

I also euthanized one cat too soon, and that's just as hard to live with.

I'm saying this to give you things to think about, and also to underscore that these are hard decisions.

I'm sure you realize all this, but I wonder if there's some value in writing it down - some differences between pets and humans:
- If this happened to a human, we don't euthanize - that's true.
- But if it was a person, he or she would be in the hospital, getting all kinds of professional help and possibly hooked up to various machines. That's impossible to do with pets, even if money is no object, because they don't have the capacity to co-operate with treatment like a human can.
- Even with all that, I don't think the prognosis for an elderly human with such fractures is very good. I have zero personal experience, but from what I think I've heard, "elderly person + broken hip" is usually a poor combination. On the other hand there are probably plenty of people who recover just fine. It probably depends on the person, the severity of the injury, all kinds of variables.
- We can't explain to pets what's going on.

Your reading - you asked something like "What are her chances of recovery?" 18uc. I don't know what Yi's trying to say. 18 can indeed mean something like, "There's corruption, and this is the time to fix it," which could, in theory, mean you can heal your dog's injuries.

But it also very well might not mean that. Yi might be talking to you about your personal ghosts, which might include your philosophy about death and treatments. Hilary's often said 18 is a very hard hexagram to interpret for someone else, because in her experience the old ghosts and corruption tend to be very personal and deeply hidden.

For instance "Fruitful to cross the great river" could mean a shift in your own perspective. "Seed day" or "seedburst" - Hilary says in WikiWing, "Opening it up, bringing the corruption into the open where it’s clearly seen, can be nine-tenths of the healing." I think that allows for the possibility of you needing to see this for what it is, which I failed to do with my cats twice. And also think very realistically about what things like reiki and color therapty can do for pelvic fractures in an elderly dog.

Bottom line is I think medical science has to rule here. If you think your vet isn't giving you enough information or an honest prognosis, talk to him/her again and ask blunt questions. Doctors should give that regardless in my opinion, but they're human beings too, with varying capacities for delivering news.

 

[Trojina]

Briefly reading please this dog needs to be put out of pain not given reiki or colour therapy ! A broken pelvis ??? Choose surgery or choose to put the dog to sleep. You really cannot, with any conscience, imagine a bit of reiki or any other kind of therapy will help.

It's surgery or nothing surely.

18uc doesn't work - see the uc threads it's often a situation that cannot be remedied although it would be too simple to say it always meant that. In any case if your dog is in great pain there really is no time to sit and ponder. Go by what the vet says.

You may be upset but that matters far less that the dog is still not being treated and is in agony. This is horrendous - please let the vet do whatever it needs.

 

[Trojina]

- Even with all that, I don't think the prognosis for an elderly human with such fractures is very good. I have zero personal experience, but from what I think I've heard, "elderly person + broken hip" is usually a poor combination.

I know very old person who had another hip fracture and had to have surgery because there was no choice, the pain was too bad. It couldn't be left whatever the risk of death through anaesthetic.

But it also very well might not mean that. Yi might be talking to you about your personal ghosts, which might include your philosophy about death and treatments. Hilary's often said 18 is a very hard hexagram to interpret for someone else, because in her experience the old ghosts and corruption tend to be very personal and deeply hidden.

Philosophy ? there's an animal in huge pain - the philosophy of the 'owner' doesn't matter here does it ?

 

[Trojina]

Your specific question was "what are the chances of recovery?" and the oracle mentions three days before and three days after which to me sounds like you may need to do the treatments for several days before you can evaluate the results - but that can't be right because I imagine the animal shouldn't wait that long if there needs to be surgery

Quite ! I don't think hanging around for 3 days imagining a shattered pelvis can be cured by reiki would be anything but terrible cruelty !

The vet says she has multiple fractures in her pelvis. She can’t walk and cries when she moves. Surgery is complicated and expensive. Her ability to poop may be affected and that too worries me Because she hasn’t since the accident. I’m hoping my reiki will heal her as it has other dogs but her distress is too sad. I asked the Yi whether there are chances of recovery and drew hexagram 18 unchanging. Does this mean the surgery is required? Thank you.

Use appropriate means for the injury. If I broke my pelvis I wouldn't think I just needed a spot of reiki would you ? It's either surgery or have the dog put down surely. Do dogs spontaneously heal from fractured pelvis ?

I do realise you're upset but there must be immediate pain relief surely ? Don't prolong her agony because of your own feelings, you would regret that if you did.

 

[Liselle]

action is needed

The reading supports that, too.

18 follows from 17, and is its paired hexagram. (Anita, if you don't already know, the inverse pair is the hexagram turned upside down and seen from the opposite end.)
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18------17

The Sequence text says, "Following people with joy means there are things to be done, and so Corruption follows. Corruption means things to be done." (Hilary's book)

That has to mean don't just let this drift, don't just take it from moment to moment - that would be 17. 17's gone on for two days now, and Yi pointedly gave you the hexagram that comes from that, and its exact inverse. You have to do something.

(I agree with Trojina's "stuff the philosophy" despite that I waffled on about it...)

 

[AnitaS]

Thank you Liselle for that lovely post and for yours too Trojina. I do have a philisophy : not to murder any creature. I'll nurse her until her last breath with love and patience. The only time Choco cries in pain is when she moves which is very rare. Rest of the time she acts and eats normally. I know her. I've had her since she was a puppy. The vet encourages other forms of healing such as reiki because he has seen me heal broken bones. He called it a miracle. This young dog had been attacked by a pig and would have been killed if I hadn't rescued her. She had a punctured lung and other complications. I also enabled two old dogs to walk after years of inability to do so. And it took a couple of treatments that's all. I saved a donkey from being put down by healing his gangrenous shattered leg. I may not be able to succeed with Choco but I will try. Reiki is a powerful healing energy. What makes you think it does not involve effort? Besides who are we to decide when any creature ought to die? Many pet owners euthanise their pets because they don't want the hassle of having to nurse them. Or cannot tolerate the situation. The surgery is too complicated to succeed according to the vet. The spine is intact fortunately. All of us have our karmic lessons to learn. Putting a pet down is murder. Plain and simple. The Buddha would not do that. No spiritually evolved being would.

 

[Liselle]

Without having a philosophical discussion, I'd strongly suggest asking your vet about something to help your dog pass stool. My cats have chronic constipation, and I give them Miralax every day (the kind made for humans) and it works very well. But I don't want to assume it's safe for dogs, so check with your vet who will also have to tell you the dosage.

It'd surely be a million times better for Choco to have diarrhea right now and let her stool ooze out on its own (sorry for being so graphic) than to have to even push normally, much less strain with constipation.

Probably also ask your vet if Miralax (if he says that's safe) works on hard stool that's already there. I don't know. If it doesn't - if it only works on future stool - you might have to consider an enema or something, and would Choco lie still and co-operate with that.

Actually I could see 18 as diarrhea. Again there are many ways to interpret it including that the situation will just continue to deteriorate no matter what you do, but an option might be that she'll have no chance at all if she has to push stool out. That seems unavoidably hard on the pelvis, to me. We don't notice when our pelvis is in one piece, but hers isn't...

 

[Trojina]

Very familiar with reiki, have done it and received it and I do know if my pelvis were broken it would no tbe sufficient. I don't think I said anything about effort so not sure where that's from

Besides who are we to decide when any creature ought to die?

Well by that logic we'd leave any animal in agony to suffer. Who are we ? We are humans who can ease suffering when it is obvious that suffering is happening.

Many pet owners euthanise their pets because they don't want the hassle of having to nurse them.

No they don't, they do the opposite. Most pet owners love their pets and want them to stay so leave it a bit too long before putting them to sleep.

All of us have our karmic lessons to learn. Putting a pet down is murder. Plain and simple. The Buddha would not do that. No spiritually evolved being would.

You're wrong. By making it about karma, and you don't know about your own or anyone else's , you make the animal's suffering secondary to you own theories. I don't think Buddha would have sat and watched an animal die. Maybe it's not such great karma to let an animal suffer because you think you are a great healer of broken bones no matter how much the animal suffers.

It's pretty awful when you use Buddha to convict anyone who has their pet put down when terminally ill as murderers.


I feel sorry for the dog. Also why post if you already know what you want the answer to say. 18uc really is not saying this is just going to get better by itself ! Far from it. Also if you won't even consider having the dog put down and think it's murder to do so then you can't even see this clearly, it's all about what you believe. But what you believe shouldn't sentence an animal to tortuous pain. I mean you are basically saying you are too spiritually evolved to even consider having the dog put to sleep. I mean really ?

 

[AnitaS]

Liselle thanks. The vet says she will poop. But also says I can give her medicine for it. So I will get it tomorrow for her.
Trojina I certainly want to be a buddha. Some do you know. And I'm not glorifying myself. Only reiki. Certainly the Buddha would not murder a being to put it out of its pain. In Buddhism we study karma on a deep level by the way. Murder makes negative karma. Euthanasia being a controversial subject I will not take this discussion any further. And like I said earlier surgery is not possible. I don't think you quite read my first post. You straightaway yelled for surgery. Enough said.

 

[AnitaS]

Very familiar with reiki, have done it and received it and I do know if my pelvis were broken it would no tbe sufficient. I don't think I said anything about effort so not sure where that's from



Well by that logic we'd leave any animal in agony to suffer. Who are we ? We are humans who can ease suffering when it is obvious that suffering is happening.



No they don't, they do the opposite. Most pet owners love their pets and want them to stay so leave it a bit too long before putting them to sleep.



You're wrong. By making it about karma, and you don't know about your own or anyone else's , you make the animal's suffering secondary to you own theories. I don't think Buddha would have sat and watched an animal die. Maybe it's not such great karma to let an animal suffer because you think you are a great healer of broken bones no matter how much the animal suffers.

It's pretty awful when you use Buddha to convict anyone who has their pet put down when terminally ill as murderers.


I feel sorry for the dog. Also why post if you already know what you want the answer to say. 18uc really is not saying this is just going to get better by itself ! Far from it. Also if you won't even consider having the dog put down and think it's murder to do so then you can't even see this clearly, it's all about what you believe. But what you believe shouldn't sentence an animal to tortuous pain. I mean you are basically saying you are too spiritually evolved to even consider having the dog put to sleep. I mean really ?

Trojina you did imply that I'm just sitting and watching it die.I'm not. I'm giving her medicine and healing and hoping she lives happily for many more years.

 

[moss elk]

When my girls were young,
we adopted a german shepard puppy from the city pound. (a place where animals are put to death if no one adopts them after a short time.)

We named him Cody.
He had giant paws that indicted he would have grown into a giant dog.
After he lived and played with us for 1 week, one night he began crying and yelping, as if his hindquarters were injured. Within a few hours the lower half of his body was paralyzed, he was screaming in pain and would bite if anyone approached him.
I took him to the vet at 1am, $1,000 bill.
The vets diagnosed distemper (a viral disease that makes the nervous system burn as if on fire, he was burning alive. ) and told us that he could be treated but the prognosis was that he would be paralyzed, blind, and insane for life. It was a hard decision to have to make but, the vet euthanized him.
It was the compassionate thing to do.
It was nothing like murder.


About your dog,
start a go-fund-me or other crowd sourcing to pay for the surgery to Repair the damage.
Find a way.

Surgery= the right tool for this problem.

 

[AnitaS]

When my girls were young,
we adopted a german shepard puppy from the city pound. (a place where animals are put to death if no one adopts them after a short time.)

We named him Cody.
He had giant paws that indicted he would have grown into a giant dog.
After he lived and played with us for 1 week, one night he began crying and yelping, as if his hindquarters were injured. Within a few hours the lower half of his body was paralyzed, he was screaming in pain and would bite if anyone approached him.
I took him to the vet at 1am, $1,000 bill.
The vets diagnosed distemper (a viral disease that makes the nervous system burn as if on fire, he was burning alive. ) and told us that he could be treated but the prognosis was that he would be paralyzed, blind, and insane for life. It was a hard decision to have to make but, the vet euthanized him.
It was the compassionate thing to do.
It was nothing like murder.


About your dog,
start a go-fund-me or other crowd sourcing to pay for the surgery to Repair the damage.
Find a way.

Surgery= the right tool for this problem.

I can pay for it Moss Elk. But it won't be a successful surgery according to the vet who is excellent. By the way I picked up a dog crying on the street with distemper and hunger and looked after him until he died. No animal should die unloved. I still would not put down an animal. But to understand why one needs to understand karma. Right and wrong action. For instance if I die from a long and terrible illness it is my karma. I need this lesson to learn something. Maybe repay a debt. Maybe I killed someone in a previous life. Maybe I caused someone to suffer in some dire way. We create our world. No one else does that. We are born because we have lessons to learn. The law of karma, of cause and effect is universal whether one believes in it or not.

 

[Liselle]

Karma is a slippery and complicated issue, though. Let's make this not about Choco. A common example is what should you do if you see someone drowning? (Let's assume you can help - you know how to swim, you're strong enough, etc.) Should you? Is it their karma to drown, or is it your karma in a different way to save them? Or if you know someone's being abused - do you intervene to the extent you can, or don't you because it's their karma?

The most persuasive argument to me has been that we shouldn't even try to decide what someone else's karma is, that it's not our place to make those judgements.

 

[Trojina]

Anita it's not the time to argue, my only concern is for the dog. Your description was quite heart breaking. I did read it and you said

One of my rescued dogs who has been with me since puppyhood was hit by a car couple of days ago. I wish I knew who it was. The vet says she has multiple fractures in her pelvis. She can’t walk and cries when she moves. Surgery is complicated and expensive. Her ability to poop may be affected and that too worries me Because she hasn’t since the accident. I’m hoping my reiki will heal her as it has other dogs but her distress is too sad.

For me this gives a picture of a dog in terrible pain who cannot speak of it, she's at your mercy. I do believe you love her and want the best for her but I do not believe reiki is enough for multiple fractures.

Have you ever had fractures ? I nursed my mother with one last year and without pain relief it can be pure hell. I can give her reiki and healing but she needed pain medication too. A friend's mother just had to have surgery despite risk because not to operate would mean such excruciating pain. People with broken bones can't just have reiki, be sensible.

If you never had pain like this you won't know. If this dog has nothing but reiki it is going to be going through hell and I beg you to take the vet's advice regarding pain relief - if he is a decent vet. You have only 2 choices IMO which are surgery or having her put to sleep. I'd say that without the reading but you know 18uc really does not suggest that you doing reiki is going to help the dog to the degree she needs help.



I think your view of karma is misguided and simplistic. Also only God knows your karma or anyone's. I don't see what your dog's suffering has to do with your karma. This isn't about you and your imagined spiritual superiority, it's about the dog

 

[Trojina]

. Maybe repay a debt. Maybe I killed someone in a previous life. Maybe I caused someone to suffer in some dire way. We create our world. No one else does that.

Maybe we will never know, it is not for us to know or judge another's karma. It is repugnant to me to look at suffering only as what someone 'deserves' through karma. You can't tell and this is a child's view of karma, it's so basic. But more than anything what in the name of Sanity does it have to do with your dog for goodness sake.

To me it sounds like your spiritual score card you are so anxious to maintain yet can never actually know is more important to you than the dog. It's not - be humane, have some compassion and forget your karma, you know nothing about your karma leave that to God and do the sensible thing ie

1. pain relief
2. possible surgery
3. consider having her put to sleep

 

[AnitaS]

Trojina so sorry to hear about your mother. I understand karma. I know what The Buddha says about karma. It is not just mine it is also the dog's karma. If she is put to sleep I'm interfering with how she deals with her own life's lesson. She will have to repeat the cycle again. Until she gets it or repays her debt. No animal wants to be put to sleep Trojina. No matter how sick. And there are many cases of botched attempts at euthanasia which are horrifying. Do you think I want her to suffer? I told you she feels the pain only when she has to move from one place to another which is rare. I give her infra red therapy also recommended by the vet for her pain. Not the corrosive painkillers which can only be given for a short while due to side effects. I also give her cannabis oil which is excellent for inflammation and pain. And as Rosada says 18 calls for the reiki not surgery. The vet does not recommend surgery. Plus she is too old for that.

 

[AnitaS]

Karma is a slippery and complicated issue, though. Let's make this not about Choco. A common example is what should you do if you see someone drowning? (Let's assume you can help - you know how to swim, you're strong enough, etc.) Should you? Is it their karma to drown, or is it your karma in a different way to save them? Or if you know someone's being abused - do you intervene to the extent you can, or don't you because it's their karma?

The most persuasive argument to me has been that we shouldn't even try to decide what someone else's karma is, that it's not our place to make those judgements.

Liselle I would certainly save the drowning man. He and I must have had a good connection from a previous life. Maybe I owed him a good turn. You don't have to know exactly what the karma is between you but you can tell whether its negative or positive. If it is negative it should be made positive. There should be balance. I won't pass by a beggar without giving him some money because it's his karma to be poor! I will always give. In Mahayana Buddhism we believe that Bodhicitta or cherishing others more than oneself and wanting enlightenment in order to help others become enlightened is most important. I'm not saying I'm enlightened so Trojina please don't jump down my throat again.

As I said before to understand how the laws of cause and effect work one needs to delve into Buddhism. Everyone wants happiness. No one wants sadness. And there is a way to ensure positive outcomes for oneself and for others. I do my best.

 

[Trojina]

Trojina so sorry to hear about your mother. I understand karma. I know what The Buddha says about karma. It is not just mine it is also the dog's karma. If she is put to sleep I'm interfering with how she deals with her own life's lesson. She will have to repeat the cycle again. Until she gets it or repays her debt. No animal wants to be put to sleep Trojina. No matter how sick. And there are many cases of botched attempts at euthanasia which are horrifying. Do you think I want her to suffer? I told you she feels the pain only when she has to move from one place to another which is rare. I give her infra red therapy also recommended by the vet for her pain. Not the corrosive painkillers which can only be given for a short while due to side effects. I also give her cannabis oil which is excellent for inflammation and pain. And as Rosada says 18 calls for the reiki not surgery. The vet does not recommend surgery. Plus she is too old for that.

I think you have a very simplistic and naïve view of what karma is. For you it's like a reward/punishment thing, you are just trying to be good because you think you can control how your karma plays out. You can't, it's utterly beyond your control. Moreover it is nowhere near as simple as tit for tat. If the only reason you won't put the animal out of pain is because you want to keep your karmic score card clean then

1. that's misguided
2. it's actually selfish, you do it for you not for the dog

I don't doubt you do have measures, can keep some sort of watch on her pain levels with the things you use, HOWEVER it is I believe an utter travesty of Yi to claim that Rosada says '18 calls for reiki not surgery'


I don't think Rosada said anything that stupid, I think she put it another way. It would be untruthful, a lie, absurd, ridiculous, to say that a dog with a fractured pelvis needed reiki not surgery because that is what hexagram 18 says. It says no such thing.


Now if you want to just do reiki it's up to you, sadly, but do not neglect this dog's pain on the basis of receiving an I Ching answer of 18. You cannot possibly say 'oh 18 means give her reiki' that would be wrong as well as just plain silly. I don't think Rosada exactly said that

 

[Trojina]

My "go to" prayer or spell when reality is not connecting the dots as I would like, is to first ask a question in a positive form such as, "Why is it so easy for my dog to heal?" (rather than "Will she heal?") and then to go through the alphabet and say one positive word for each letter, A - Alive, B - Beautiful, C - Comfort, etc. Think of it as going through every nook and cranny of your mind with a magnet that is going to draw out the answer you are looking for and sure enough shortly after doing this something will happen. An idea pops into your head or maybe even a message from the outer world.

Going over what Rosada did say. Well frankly for a dog with a fractured pelvis I wouldn't think it was the time to be imagining you need a spell or tell a lie like the dog is already healed or some such.

You aren't dealing with the dog's reality then but your own reality and how did you mean "..when reality is not connecting the dots as I would like" ? This is a dog with a fractured pelvis - do you class that as 'reality not connecting dots' eh ? It sounds like you think you invent the dog and broken pelvis ? I guess going through this exercise might bring some ideas except this is an emergency and there isn't time.

 

[Trojina]

Or maybe the fracture is not too bad and the dog can heal by itself ? Is that what the vet said ?

 

[AnitaS]

My own score card and not the dogs? Just shows how you twist good intentions and make them evil. Read Rosada carefully she does say it's not a time for surgery but healing from a higher consciousness. You never give up do you? To argue with someone about a concept you don't understand only makes you look foolish.

 

[Trojina]

I don't think you're evil, I think you have a simplistic sort of good points/bad points view of karma, I know I understand the concept of karma and I also have no idea why we are talking about karma at all this is about a sick dog.

I can give up, no point arguing, but you painted a pretty bad picture in that first post, an alarming picture where one feels it is most urgent to help the pain of this dog and not a time to be using colour healing and wotnot.

I have no reason to wish to twist your intentions but in general you seem preoccupied with your karma for some reason even though you have no clue how karma might operate in this situation.

You haven't actually said how bad the fracture is. I mean if it's possible for it to heal with no intervention then maybe rest will do it but it doesn't sound feasible from what you say.

I don't think I'm foolish I think that the idea of reiki for fractured pelvis is foolish....unless it is possible with just rest the break will mend. If it won't, and I can't see that it would then you have 2 options already outlined. And yes if you imagine having the dog put to sleep is bad because you will get a karmic points against you that is foolish. As humans we don't know the way karma goes, it's not up to us, not our business. It's so vast it isn't possible for a human to say 'ah that happened to you because you did this in a past life' because it's multidimensional and we only see the bit of life we inhabit in this body at the time. I do understand the meaning of karma, it doesn't need explaining in baby terms but it just isn't as simple as you imagine and think you can control.

I will pray for your dog and hope you come to the right decision about her whatever that is.

 

[AnitaS]

Are you a Buddhist practitioner Trojina? If not you can't say you understand the complexities of karma. What is your definition? Karna is created by actions of body speech and mind. What is negative karma? That which harms others. No creature wants to die. You can't take that decision for the animal. When we fall ill do we kill ourselves? Only if we are suicidal or misguided. Choco can already stand on all four feet. And she has pooped. She may walk with a limp or maybe even use 3 legs but many dogs are fine with that. I had a three legged dog who was faster than most dogs. You may not think reiki can heal multiple fractures but I have proof it can. Thank you for your prayers. My Kind Buddhist gurus also prayed for her.

And by the way you are the controller of all actions of your body speech and mind in this and other lives. What you have done in the past creates your present. What you do now creates your future. Since we are all interconnected, we affect everyone and everything else. Our negative thoughts are broadcast all over and can create disasters. Check out The Intention Experiment by Lynn McTaggart. Very well known. Ultimately the goal is to be good to yourself and to others. So stop being rude Trojina. Stop creating difficulties for your self and others.

 

[AnitaS]

Going over what Rosada did say. Well frankly for a dog with a fractured pelvis I wouldn't think it was the time to be imagining you need a spell or tell a lie like the dog is already healed or some such.

You aren't dealing with the dog's reality then but your own reality and how did you mean "..when reality is not connecting the dots as I would like" ? This is a dog with a fractured pelvis - do you class that as 'reality not connecting dots' eh ? It sounds like you think you invent the dog and broken pelvis ? I guess going through this exercise might bring some ideas except this is an emergency and there isn't time.

Trojina and you are insensitive enough to attack the wise and experienced Rosada too! And without reading her initial reply to me. You want a wonderful future? Take care of your present.

 

[Trojina]

Threats ? That's spiritual thuggery and I don't think the Buddha would have used threats. I haven't attacked Rosada but just looked at some of her ideas but I don't think there's personal attack there.

I don't think one needs to be a Buddhist practitioner, of which there are many varieties, to grasp the concept of karma. I first came across the concept over 40 years ago. Our own karma or anyone else's simply isn't something that can be tallied up by ourselves like a score sheet and the reason for that is we do not know what circumstances might have led to someone's action. It is, as I have said about 3 times, simply beyond our capacity as humans to make judgements about the karmic impact of actions. Therefore all one need aspire to is to do what seems the right thing at the time without an eye on your karmic credit scoring so to speak.

If you base your actions on how you think your behaviour will impact on your spiritual report card you may lose touch with what is actually needed in the moment. Yes I do know karma is a cosmic kind of cause and effect whereby the impact you have through your actions will at some point be experienced by you until the cycle of rebirth is played out. However this is not quantifiable by the human mind, that is up to God or Higher consciousness if you prefer. I do not think Buddha said the way to enlightenment is to keep an eye on your karmic score card at all times in accordance with your beliefs. I also don't think the point of Buddhism is to guess what the Buddha might have done, you aren't meant to be simply trying to emulate him.

Going back to this statement of yours

The surgery is too complicated to succeed according to the vet. The spine is intact fortunately. All of us have our karmic lessons to learn. Putting a pet down is murder. Plain and simple. The Buddha would not do that. No spiritually evolved being would.

Do you think this is something all Buddhists would agree with ? I don't think so, indeed I know Buddhists who have had their pet put to sleep.

I also don't think you can possibly presume to know what the Buddha would have done were his dog in terrible pain. You are also here saying everyone who ever had their beloved pet put down is a murderer and not 'spiritually evolved' and that is just too silly to argue with really as well as assuming spiritual authority over those who did the best for their pets.

Practically you need not to be arguing with me about karma but doing the best thing for your dog. I'd hope that if it were necessary that would include putting her out of her misery. Personally I would rely on the opinion of a vet as to when the time was right to do this. I think vets know when it is unkind to let an animal suffer because you want to keep it with you, they know much better what kind of pain an animal may be experiencing. You haven't said if your vet recommends she be put to sleep or not but if the vet has indicated euthanasia then I hope you would consider it at least as not to do so would be cruel and would be the act of placing your beliefs above the dog's suffering.

One thing puzzles me, you said

My own score card and not the dogs? Just shows how you twist good intentions and make them evil

Are you saying that what the dog is suffering now is the dog's karma ? I mean you don't actually think the dog has a 'score card' do you ? By using the term 'score card' I was trying to point out how absurd it is to imagine one can keep tabs on one's own karma. Actions that look as if they are good may not come from good motives, it's complex and not for humans to judge.

Please stop attacking me in saying I made things evil. We don't need to continue this conversation and I am happy to leave it here. I shouldn't think arguing here is helping the dog in any way so why go on. I do take issue with your statement that people are murderers if they put their very sick dog to sleep. I think that's insane.