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tatah

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Hi,
I'm quite sure you have already discussed this many times.
Sorry for bothering.
I'd like to know what you do, when you have many lines changing in the first hexagram.
I used to read all the changing lines, but lately I've read that this porcedure is wrong.
I have to agree that, sometimes, with more tnen 3 lines, it is a little bit strange, because some of the lines are positive, other not so much.
I apologize for the bad English.
 

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hi,

When I get many changing lines, I read them all, and then I focus on the two hexagrams. Why is the related hex there, what is being said? Sometimes you can make a sentence of the two hex's, and thereby understand the meaning.
So generally, I focus less on the lines and more on the two hex's when there are multiple lines.

Some people like systems that indicate to look at only one of the change lines, but I don't like them for the following question:
If the answer could be explained by one of those lines, then why didn't you just receive just that line?

Some like to look at the change patterns.
(I haven't used that much myself yet, but many do.)
 

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If I have 1 or 2 lines, maybe 3 lines I only read the lines. In this situation the resulting hex is not as much a "result" as it is "related to;" for example if I asked about something music related the "related hex" would often be 16 Enthusiasm which is about music, if I asked about an awkward situation I might get 22 grace which has to do with making things look good by glossing over things with a beautiful light, about a relationship the relating hex might be 50 that things are cooking... But the resulting hex I don't read as an outcome, it's usually what the general situation I am asking about is.

With 3 or more changing lines, this means there is a lot of change energy. So there I try to read the general image and judgement of the two hexes, with one hex's situation changing into the other.

So if I asked what you tatah needed to know about readings and I threw
16.1.3.5 > 49, I might read it as you might start out with 16 music, dance, all the things we do to pay honor to dynasty and greatness, and to praise it, and not feel good about that. But soon 49 real deeper levels of change are coming.
Or something like that!

LL
 
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tatah

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hi,

When I get many changing lines, I read them all, and then I focus on the two hexagrams. Why is the related hex there, what is being said? Sometimes you can make a sentence of the two hex's, and thereby understand the meaning.
So generally, I focus less on the lines and more on the two hex's when there are multiple lines.

Some people like systems that indicate to look at only one of the change lines, but I don't like them for the following question:
If the answer could be explained by one of those lines, then why didn't you just receive just that line?

Some like to look at the change patterns.
(I haven't used that much myself yet, but many do.)

Thanks, Moss Elk. I'll look for "change patterns".
 

tatah

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Very kind of yours. Thanks, Lavalamp! I will study a little bit more!!!
 
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Tatah:

As mentioned by Trojina and others, there are a lot of opinions about how many and which changing lines you should read, and a number of discussions here you can check out. I happen to be in the 'read all the changing lines' camp, at least right now. It seems to me that if changing lines are what you got for your reading, then they merit looking at. But that's just me.

One cautionary note I'd offer (from experience, believe me): besides the primary and related hexagrams and the changing lines, there are ways of generating a whole slew of other hexagrams and lines to consider with each reading; a sampling would be:

- change patterns
- nuclear hexagrams and trigrams
- transitional hexagrams
- hidden lines
- the shadow and ideal hexagrams
- hexagram pairs and the preceding hexagram
- the zhi gua and fan yao (the hexagram and line you get when you change just one changing line at a time)

... and so forth ...

All of these have their champions and critics. For my readings I look at a few of these to see if they offer anything useful ... BUT ... if you are fairly new to the I Ching, I'd suggest that you may want to start with the primary and related hexagrams and changing lines, at least until you get a good sense of what they're saying. Then go down a few rabbit holes and explore.

Best, David.
 
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