Clarification by senior members of requested to two common questions..

[Trojina]

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Hex 54 these so called senior members should acccept a lowly position and not try to be high and mighty, otherwise misfortune occurs for the whole household. Nobody can get along with the big, brash members who think that they are special and deserve recognition in this forum at every post.

Actually I can't think of one single person here who appears to expect recognition at every post Would you care to elaborate Wfox ? I mean in what form does this expectation of recognition take ? Who are you talking about ?

 

[Trojina]

I was disturbed by the rancor on this thread and asked the Yi Jing if there was anything to possibly pass along and got this: 41.4.6>54.


Miakoda

BTW I would take this answer as applying to Miakoda herself . If the Yi were passing messages through her to pass to members her wouldn't she be assuming a pretty exalted role of 'channeler'. Miakoda if I want to know how to improve my behaviour I would ask for myself.

 

[bruce_g]

I hear ya, Trojan.

As a senior member, please allow me to say, it don’t mean sqwat. Good ideas are good ideas, knowledge is knowledge, and no-one has arrived.

It’s unlikely anyone will get along with everyone, and neutralizing everyone’s disposition, in the name of Dao or some other idealist cause, to be one big bowl of soup, is akin to Big Brother, or Sister, in this case. But it is important, imo, that no-one disrespects the others by continuously badgering them by saying their way is always wrong, and that their own way is the only way. After a few years, it gets old.

 

[Trojina]

But it is important, imo, that no-one disrespects the others by continuously badgering them by saying their way is always wrong, and that their own way is the only way. After a few years, it gets old.

Agreed, thats why I think its important some anger can be expressed at this now and again.

 

[miakoda]

Oh dear. I only asked the Yi Jing the question as a way of trying to help--no arrogance intended. It seemed that at that point in the thread that a line was being crossed from authentic disagreement into some nastiness. I wanted to help! But I didn't want to be presumptuous, so I asked the Yi Jing before I posted: Is there anything I should say? (Actually, I've done this several times in the past and been told on those occasions not to and so I haven't responded. I always check with the Yi Jing before I post on the site.) But perhaps the answer didn't fit for you, Trojan, because it didn't apply to you? I don't know. It's not for me to say. But I asked and passed on the answer only in the spirit of gathering together.

As to my feeling excluded (not attacked surely), it was because hexagon had asked for senior members to respond, which, logically, means nonseniors weren't welcome on this particular thread (the title of the thread is: Clarification by senior members of requested to two common questions). He's answered that very nicely and I appreciate his kindness. It's my hope that it encourages others who might have fresh insights but do not frequently post to come forward.

That was it. No offense intended. If I behaved arrogantly, I apologize.

Namaste,

Miakoda

 

[bruce_g]

Oh dear. I only asked the Yi Jing the question as a way of trying to help--no arrogance intended. It seemed that at that point in the thread that a line was being crossed from authentic disagreement into some nastiness. I wanted to help! But I didn't want to be presumptuous, so I asked the Yi Jing before I posted: Is there anything I should say? (Actually, I've done this several times in the past and been told on those occasions not to and so I haven't responded. I always check with the Yi Jing before I post on the site.) But perhaps the answer didn't fit for you, Trojan, because it didn't apply to you? I don't know. It's not for me to say. But I asked and passed on the answer only in the spirit of gathering together.

As to my feeling excluded (not attacked surely), it was because hexagon had asked for senior members to respond, which, logically, means nonseniors weren't welcome on this particular thread (the title of the thread is: Clarification by senior members of requested to two common questions). He's answered that very nicely and I appreciate his kindness. It's my hope that it encourages others who might have fresh insights but do not frequently post to come forward.

That was it. No offense intended. If I behaved arrogantly, I apologize.

Namaste,

Miakoda

Yatahey, Miakoda.

Naw, I don't think you offended anyone, at least not me. There's just a little history involved, which you had no way of knowing of.

 

[Trojina]

Hi Miakoda, no theres no need to apologise, I'm sure as you say your motive was to help.
I'm sorry also in that I think I've been a bit heavy handed with you :bows: As Bruce says theres history you weren't to know of.

 

[Sparhawk]

I'm sorry also in that I think I've been a bit heavy handed with you :bows: As Bruce says theres history you weren't to know of.

Not "heavy handed," Trojan. We agreed before the word was "crabby"... (not that you are alone, mind you. I feel kind of crabby myself lately...) Grab yourselves, all of you, when that comes out...

L

 

[miakoda]

Thanks, everyone. I appreciate your thoughts.

Miakoda

 

[bradford]

L (on his way to seniority, God willing...)

Hey Luis
I thought it was señority for you
Has Lorraine P. wrestled the book from you yet? I gave her your contacts.
She just switched jobs and hasn't been available, plus the zhouyi.com
mailbox stacks up with lots of spam and clogs when she's away for awhile.
You probably know that she has what's likely the most complete English
language Yijing library in the world (unless Ed H. has more) It's really hard
to find one she's missing (but I did it once too).

 

[willowfox]

"What is this nonsense ? Wfox you are indeed a senior member, I hope you will accept your self imposed lowly position. "

Tell it to the others who attack me first!

 

[willowfox]

"Actually I can't think of one single person here who appears to expect recognition at every post Would you care to elaborate Wfox ? I mean in what form does this expectation of recognition take ? Who are you talking about ?"

I suggest you back right off trojan unless you want a major problem with me!

If you want to fight with me yet again, then go for it! As I have had enough of people like you and that little monkey jesed.

Please attack me, I relish the battle with you this time!

 

[Sparhawk]

Hey Luis
I thought it was señority for you
Has Lorraine P. wrestled the book from you yet? I gave her your contacts.
She just switched jobs and hasn't been available, plus the zhouyi.com
mailbox stacks up with lots of spam and clogs when she's away for awhile.
You probably know that she has what's likely the most complete English
language Yijing library in the world (unless Ed H. has more) It's really hard
to find one she's missing (but I did it once too).

No Brad, in Spanish we just become "ancianos" if we are nice or "viejos de mierda" if we've been less than that... Spanish is a cruel language for spitefulness and very romantic for love. We are language terrorists...

As for Lorraine, no, she hasn't contacted me yet. I hope she does, at least to chat.

Cheers,

L

 

[bradford]

Ah, feistiness
The girding of loins and waking of wits
And the smell of fresh-sharpened pencils
What philosophy should be about

 

[Trojina]

"Actually I can't think of one single person here who appears to expect recognition at every post Would you care to elaborate Wfox ? I mean in what form does this expectation of recognition take ? Who are you talking about ?"

I suggest you back right off trojan unless you want a major problem with me!

If you want to fight with me yet again, then go for it! As I have had enough of people like you and that little monkey jesed.

Please attack me, I relish the battle with you this time!

Look if you choose to see my questioning you about some snidey comments you made about senior members as some form of brutal attack then you have a problem.

You often ask others to explain their comments why shouldn't someone question you.

If you go on in this stupid way I guess I may head over to open space for a rant about how a simple rule here just to say that intensely personal comments won't be tolerated is way over due and you don't amuse me as much as you seem to amuse everyone else. Or I might not bother and just leave cos I don't come here to be threatened which is what you are doing.

 

[rosada]

Refering to another poster as, "that little monkey.." is neither wit nor amusing. I for one choose to put this poster in time out for a week. I will neither read nor reply to anything she writes for the next seven days.

 

[luz]

<looking around the room>....
Okay, I guess it was just *me* that was amused..

I probably should have kept my mouth shut but I just thought it was so outrageous, so over the top that nobody could possibly take it seriously... when I saw the last post, completely out of context and completely unprovoked, well, at first I felt like telling her she was being paranoid or something but then I thought she must be kidding,it was not possible that she could be acting out like that .... but I guess it's not possible that she was kidding and I gues it was probably wrong to have posted that comment and... well I couldn't help it.

But I hope it's obvious that my being amused doesn't mean I agree with her at all... But oh well, like I said, I probably should just keep my mouth shut

 

[Sparhawk]

But I hope it's obvious that my being amused doesn't mean I agree with her at all... But oh well, like I said, I probably should just keep my mouth shut

BTW, your English is excellent, Lightangel!

L

 

[hexagon]

Ah, feistiness
The girding of loins and waking of wits
And the smell of fresh-sharpened pencils
What philosophy should be about

Ah - the smell of fresh-sharpened pencils cannot be Shakespeare, but apt, nonetheless.

The weather where I live currently reflects this thread - tumultuous winds, heavy rain, snow, sleet, and a lightning storm - all of which took power out of hundreds of homes and businesses - Yikes! so I just HAD to ask:

What lesson can be learned from this thread? and I received 21/4.5 >42. Hexagram 21 Biting Through perplexes me as to it's meaning. Any insights as I've also had this answer in recent issues on relationships.
The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram Li (Fire), which is tansforming into Sun (Wind). As part of this process, brightness and warmth are giving way to penetration and following.
The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram Chen (Thunder), which represents movement, initiative, and action.

 

[Trojina]

Noo Lightangel I wasn't aiming that comment at you or anyone in particular, honest. I was speaking really of my impression over a long period of time that Wfox can get away with murder where others can't and largely this is to keep the peace and its got to the point where even if one questions her at all one gets a torrent of abuse. Thats just bullying IMO as I find one has to back down or she pursues one relentlessly.

A while back she called me a liar when I said my arm was better where she had predicted it would get worse and I ended up having to back down. I mean I should know about my own ...... arm ! And I thought it quite serious someone making negative predictions on a health issue. Now she's making aggressive threats on the 52,3 thread and being incredibly personally abusive on another thread also, 47,3 I think.

I don't especially have a problem with Wfox in that I think many enjoy her being around and reading her stuff, even I do occasionally. But I am starting to think there really needs a guideline in place simply to say no personal abuse, and certainly no threats.
This wouldn't need a moderator its just if there was a definate guideline that we don't tolerate personal insults here then it would be easier wouldn't it ? As it is we have to sit back and take it and that seems pretty **** to me though I guess one could say it was character forming

 

[Sparhawk]

What lesson can be learned from this thread? and I received 21/4.5 >42. Hexagram 21 Biting Through perplexes me as to it's meaning. Any insights as I've also had this answer in recent issues on relationships.

LOL! Yup, that's an apt hexagram for this thread; there is a general "bite me" attitude going around... Who said the Yi has no humor?

L

 

[luz]

BTW, your English is excellent, Lightangel!

Thanks Luis, but I don't even get to use all of my vocabulary, since my self-censorship sems to be too strict, compared to others ... Yours is excellent too, not bad for two viejos de m***** que somos....

 

[luz]

Trojan, thanks for clarifying that . I guess I felt a bit guilty and that is why I felt a little bit on the spotlight, so to speak.

I have given this post a lot of thought, which is very rare for me, I usually shoot from the hip (and it shows ). And I still feel that keeping my mouth shut is a pretty darn good option but I feel, on the other hand, that I should explain myself a little bit. Even though I might be walking on a mine field here..

The truth is that I think you have a point when you say WF seems to be getting away with murder in this case... at least when it comes to my reaction, in my being amused and taking her insults and provocations lightly.

Because... I realized that I have other times reacted in a very different way when I have seen such verbal abuse here or even to much less than that (I was once a bit rude to Autumn and she was quite a princess in not getting really really mad at me and for that I am forever grateful:bows: ). So, I had to ask myself why?? Why don't I react by thinking WF is a witch that should be burned??

And I think that the short answer is ... because I do feel a bit sorry for WF... and also because I felt that, in this case, she was attacked first by Jesed... There, I said it. Other times I have thought that people are either overreacting to a perceived attack that is not there or attacking somebody out of the blue ... I, of course, did not think that the words she used were appropiate and I should have either said that or.. well, I could have used my other option.

Now, to understand my sympathy for WF a bit better, perhaps, I should say that I feel like, whether we want to or not, we do form a sort of community and, I am kind of used to most people here, I feel like I know them a bit, and we all have our ideonsincracies and we often don't see eye to eye but there we are, living side by side in a way (except for crazy uncle C who lives up in the attic :-D ). If you act crabby, for instance, I remind myself that you don't hate me, that you are just crabby sometimes and that is okay :-D And I think that, although I don't agree with the way WF goes about her readings, she seems to click with a lot of the questioners here. And I respect that. After all, not everybody is right all of the time.

Now, I *know* you were not attacking her in that post about senior members, I know that, and I thought about telling her that she was being paranoid when I saw her reaction but then she kept on saying such over the top things that I had to laugh and ... well.. I digress... She mentioned she was sick so I thought maybe she was being a bit delirious, I guess..

But I am sorry if it seemed like I minimized the fact that she was insulting to you. In real life, I would have told her to ignore Jesed and I would have told him and you to ignore her... and well, my kids never listen to me either, I wonder why it's so difficult to at least ignore each other in this world, let alone *love* each other

Well, I hope no mines explode around here.. I hope I didn't further offend anyone but if I did.. well I think that somebody telling me to shut up because I never say anything meaningful is way overdue anyway so I will take it like a man <grin>.

P.S. The four emoticon limit stinks :b

 

[willowfox]

"Look if you choose to see my questioning you about some snidey comments you made about senior members as some form of brutal attack then you have a problem."

Yes, I have a problem and its called trojan and jesed!

And as for your snidey remarks, shove them!

 

[willowfox]

"Why don't I react by thinking WF is a witch that should be burned?? "

Yes, I am a witch but this is the 21st century and its against the law to burn us now.

 

[willowfox]

"You often ask others to explain their comments why shouldn't someone question you."

Read carefully, I make statements, I do not ask questions of others especially from hogwarts such as yourself trojan!

 

[willowfox]

Refering to jesed as "Refering to another poster as, "that little monkey.." is neither wit nor amusing."

It was not meant to be funny or clever, it was meant to be a statement of fact Rosada. The guy has been a thorn in my side for months just like that damn vermin trojan. If you don't read my posts then no problem because the advice I give for free is aimed at people with genuine problems, not snides like trojan and mosquitoes like jesed.

To be quite honest with you I don't give a **** anymore if I get thrown off this site because of certain members continuely harassing me which just wastes my valuable time. I am here to help the people seeking help not time wasters like trojan and jesed.

 

[willowfox]

"If you go on in this stupid way I guess I may head over to open space for a rant about how a simple rule here just to say that intensely personal comments won't be tolerated is way over due and you don't amuse me as much as you seem to amuse everyone else. Or I might not bother and just leave cos I don't come here to be threatened which is what you are doing."

Go where ever you want to go but leave me alone! I have told you this before but you choose to ignore that advice, okay, then so be it, now see what can of worms you have opened!
I am NOT threatening you, I am telling you. ****ING STOP WITH ME, OKAY!

 

[willowfox]

To Lightangel,

Thank you.