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Conceptions of who is responding when we are divining with the Yi.

TygerChild

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Hi Moss,



First of all, in answer to your original response..!

…….this is a section on exploring divination. I am sincerely seeking discussion, therefore, about how the I Ching approaches Reality---not the concept of reality, but Actuality.


The invitation is to explore this together.
That is what I am hoping for?


It's not about self-aggrandizement or about scoring points...


Nor is it about what we would 'like' to be true ----but rather, what is 'actually' true?


Yes, of course any words we use are concepts or symbols.
Everything written here--- is nothing BUT
symbol.
So, yes, of course even the word 'Ultimate
Or 'Reality' or 'God' ....?


This is why I put this question regarding the I Ching responses, which, as a description and interpretation of life's drama, has to be, primarily, an account in, and of, Duality.


So the question is: How far can we understand the I-Ching's guidance (as, in my view, a reflection of our energies), to assist our approach to Reality?
 

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I don't really get what you are saying here, but no matter. I have said what I need to about how I think the Yi works - but I really do not know how the universe or the Yi works.

But it's interesting that you started your thread above with 'I would like to think ....' So are thoughts of the I AM or of Ultimate Fact actually these things, or are they - as I suspect - just your thoughts about these things?

Best, D

Wires seem to have got crossed here--- sorry--- I think Moss deleted her response to me but I had already written back! But still my response seems relevant to your comment Freedda.
 

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Moss Elk is a he, but no worries. He has deleted his post. And again, I've shared how I think the Yi responds to us.

Best, ...

Yes, good to hear what you think Freedda. It's great to be able to share and explore disparate ideas on Clarity freely.
 

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Adding my two pennies worth to this discussion :) I believe that Yi is not outside of me. However we choose to call it, I believe it is my higher self, the wisdom of all my prior experiences in all lifetimes. And throwing the coins allows my Human self to tap into that deeper wisdom when the Human’s perception is confused or obstructed, when the intuition is blocked. In short, I believe I am having a conversation with a wiser part of myself.
 

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Yes, Yasmin, I think our understanding is not that different really: the ritual picks up on one's own energy and reflects that in its answer. The Tarot and other forms of divination work in a similar fashion. They all resonate to human drama, the world of duality.
 

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TygerChild,
Back to your earlier question:
Can the I Ching (however) reach the part that other (kinds of intelligence) cannot reach?
For example, can the I Ching reach before the great I AM?
And part of your response to the question of who is responding when you divine and your own answer to the question you posed:
I think it is simply an energetic principle and therefore reflects what is going on in this energetic field. So the yin and the yang are at play, and this is the nature of the manifested world.
But prior to I AM, there is no manifestation and so the I Ching could not reflect that.
Looks like you already have your own answer prior to asking the question :unsure:. It'd be unwise for me to add - why pour tea to a cup that's already full?
 

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Thanks for responding to the question Yasmin.
... I believe that Yi is not outside of me. However we choose to call it, I believe it is my higher self, the wisdom of all my prior experiences in all lifetimes. And throwing the coins allows my Human self to tap into that deeper wisdom when the Human’s perception is confused or obstructed, when the intuition is blocked. In short, I believe I am having a conversation with a wiser part of myself.
I imagine one must be pretty big to have the Yi inside of them :unsure:.
Sorry but I'm always wary of people proffering "However we choose to call it..." - it's as though there is this thing that can be whatever we choose to call it - a surefire way to a rabbit hole.
In any case, does this higher self talk to other people too?
 
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TygerChild,
Back to your earlier question:

And part of your response to the question of who is responding when you divine and your own answer to the question you posed:

Looks like you already have your own answer prior to asking the question :unsure:. It'd be unwise for me to add - why pour tea to a cup that's already full?

Thanks for your comments Fai.

What I do know is, that there is more that we do not know, than that we do know.

There is so much more that could be explored on this subject of the I Ching's source, on an intellectual level!

However, my understanding is that YES, in a sense, the Yi is indeed (amazingly!) inside each existent person/thing, (since Yi is both inside and outside Awareness, is what everything is made of, is what we perceive with, and what we perceive.... and is all there is).

It is not that the cup is already full, but that it is in fact Empty,--- and out of that 'Emptiness', the 'world' is born.

In discussing this in terms of 'concepts' of any kind, your cup would have to be full! Being absorbed in thought means being full of concepts in fact...which equate to maya...?

Ultimately, what is truth, is being just 'what is', cannot also be ---on that level, ---concepts, or any reality other than the Unborn. This is of course Unimaginable.

In this, even if the I Ching's source of wisdom is via ancestors, even ancestors (really 'concepts' ) came out of the original 'O'.
 
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