Confused 13.2>1 & 17.4.5.6>27 please help decipher message

[nettyc1]

Hello, Im having difficulty understanding 13.2>1 I have read other threads but still not understanding.

Original question was: What will tomorrow bring? 13.2>1

13.2 meaning shame/Distress in the Way:
"found: Fellowship within the clan causes regret.
We need to seek our complement, not our likeness, for feelings to become dynamic and resonate with one another.
Without active feelings there can be no resonance between ourselves and others (what is other to ourselves). Any relationship that will open our awareness has to be with something or someone different from ourselves."

Then asked: What Shame and distress is in the way for me tomorrow? received 17.4.5.6>27 following nourishment.

Line 4
‘Following makes a catch. Constancy, pitfall.
With truth and confidence, holding to the path with clarity,
How can this be wrong?’

Line 5
‘True and confident in excellence.
Good fortune.’

Line 6
‘Seized and bound to it,
And so joining and connected to it,
The king makes offering on the Western mountain.’

Since I'm not involved with anyone at this time and don't believe my most recent past relations will resurface because we are in different places in life. Not sure what catch I've made that will cause me shame from this nourishment. I wasn't thinking of a relationship but of work, finances and looking into a leadership program for work. Perhaps it's suggestion things will become difficult at work if I enter the program.

This is all very confusing suggestions/advise. Please help!!!

Did ask if this has anything to do with him? received 11.3.6>41 I believe is saying "NO, that things have ended between us."

 

[Tim K]

What will tomorrow bring ? 13.2 → 1
What Shame and distress is in the way for me tomorrow? 17.4.5.6 → 27

I think both readings refer to this leadership program.
13.2 Warns about ego-driven idea that unites men, and that's not good.
17.4 says that you will succeed, but this will attract flatterers and cronies.
Transitional 3.5 and 24.6 further describe the difficulties that you'll get into.
3.5 That leadership will be too much for you, and 24.6 just frankly says - no way.

17.5 and .6 are the key: find yourself a higher goal, something that will bring increase to others, not only to your ego.
h27 - are you sure you want to eat 'It' ?

 

[nettyc1]

Thank you, I do understand your reply. Honestly, never considered going in that direction for my teaching career. I am currently an elementary school teacher and enjoy it. This year I have been assigned to also being grade leader, which comes with greater expectation of me. I must lead 8 peers on the grade in a cohesive fashion as well as work closer to administration which isn't my strong point. So I have been feeling administrative pressure to lead the pack to get greater results from our students. The leadership program would also place me in a better position to suggest what is and isn't working for these poor little ones that are constantly being tested to meet standards set by individuals outside of education. No, I'm not sure if I want to eat it, but will it enable me to make a difference in a child's education. Asked: would it better my career to help more children by entering this program? received 32.4> 46 so Im guessing that if I currently have no game where I currently am then I should push upward to see if I can make some change by acquiring some knowledge of leading peers and our future adults in a more promising direction. Or that I should pick a different career but must stay in the field for another 9 years to secure my pension. I think it is a combination of helping others and strengthening my position as an educator. Not sure which is correct still learning how to read the lines & hex.

Also asked How can I get more game for my career? 8.1.5>24 Return to seeking union

 

[Tim K]

Would it better my career to help more children by entering this program? 32.4> 46
As in previous readings, the answer is a clear no.
I get now that 13.2 was about being close to your fellow teachers, and that it was not a good idea.

32.4 → 46 (Ascending), Wilhelm:
If we are in pursuit of game and want to get a shot at a quarry, we must set about it in the right way.
A man who persists in stalking game in a place where there is none may wait forever without finding any. Persistence in search is not enough. What is not sought in the right way is not found.

So change of career but staying in the field? Yes I think so.

Interesting that you mention 9 years, 24.6 → 27 (Nourishment), Richmond:
Confusion about return. Misfortune. Armies marching bring defeat.
Disaster for the ruler.
Ten years without return to order.
Yi does speak of ten years, I think that means with a leadership program you will be stuck for this 9 years not able to do anything great.


How can I get more game for my career? 8.1.5>24

8.1 → 3 (Arduous Beginnings), Richmond:
Unity with confidence is without fault, like a bowl that is full. Good fortune will be added.
Daniels: Be truthful with others and you will be fortunate.

8.5 → 2 (Receptive), Daniels: Don't force friendship. People will seek you out.

Hmm, the counsel is to speak your ideas, but not actively pursuing anything. Your words and actions will attract the opportunities you need.

 

[nettyc1]

Thank you again, will look into other changes I can make to my career. I already have the unity of my peers and they do seek me out for help and guidance. We work well together as a unit. The issue is reality (what we can actually do in a given day?) vs administrative expectation, children aren't machines and will only absorb & produce when they are ready like any other human being. Yes, we encourage, push, bribe, coax and pour an infinite amount of information into them to get data so that administration can monitor our progress as qualified or unqualified professionals. However, no amount of pushing will make a child walk, talk or write before they are willing to do it for themselves unless hindered by a disability. So, it is US (teachers) vs Them (administration) and no one is listening to actual facts (basic needs first) only scores/data.

Your help and guidance is greatly appreciated. ? How am I being guided? 20.5>23 To strip away what I am seeing and transform. How can I transform? 45.1.4>3 gathering and sprouting: To where Im not sure but hopefully I will figure it out soon.

 

[Tim K]

20.5 → 23 (Stripping Away), Daniels: Look at yourself from the viewpoint of others.
Yi gives you 2nd opinion on the matter, helping you to evaluate your life more objectively.

How can you transform? 45.1 Find a new idea to follow. → 17.4 again, interesting, there was a thread about 17.4 in Exploring divination recently. Hmm, yes follow that idea and while it can bring some 'false' followers, stick to your vision and sincere wish to help others.


I sympathize to your cause, my parents were both teachers for a long time. Life is life and each kid is unique, trying to measure them by grades and then blame teachers is absurd.
Especially when even parents try to say that you are not professional, because (of course!) their kid is such a genius, he just couldn't have gotten C,D or F.
The same is going on in different spheres of course - driving test (pass or fail), agriculture - how can you predict rain, sun, insects all influencing the crop yield and then blame farmer . Statistics and real world just don't mix well.

I think maybe you should go more into administration or even politics. To be outside of your teacher's clan, like 13.2 says. Maybe there, where all the troubles are coming from you can do something viable?

Come to think of it, my aunt went from teaching literature to rather small city's administration.
After some time though she switched to city museum's administration. It was less demanding.

 

[nettyc1]

Yes, it is very demanding as a profession and many people that I know left years ago. The leadership program was a pre-administration program to principalship, which, I'll need to look into further. Just not sure if I want to be with the chiefs, lol. I don't know if I have the je ne sais quoi to follow false ideas that haven't been proven in true classroom settings, that change every 3 to 5 years. You are absolutely correct, statistics and real world shouldn't be blended to measure nature, there are simply to many variables. Of course the parents beliefs of their heirs does throw another element into the bowl, but test scores and evidence we must collect does bring them back down to planet earth 2015.
We have a really great group and we do work together to find new ideas to enrich our children, however at the end of the day many of the resources we find that are succeeding come from our pockets and not provided for us. Many of us give back an un-measureable amount of time, money, & rewards for our students to achieve these preset goals and it's never enough. Now, realizing my viewpoint is sort of jaded after 17 years in the system. Although, there are rewards for us, years later when a few parents, grandparents and students return to say, you have made a difference in my life or I'm in college now, & say thank you!!!Which, makes it all worth it in the end!!! Your time and help is greatly appreciated!!!!!!! I will spend some time delving into myself and evaluating things more objectively.

 

[nettyc1]

Hello all,
I have stumbled upon my own post in search of some clarity to 13.2>1. I guess I have come full circle in realizing, the original IC response was not about my career but with relation to the man. Funny
As for the administration program, the courses have been completed with fine grades and currently preparing to complete the examinations for licensing in the field. It was a difficult and stressful accomplishment however realized the fellowship in question was regarding the man. He lead me to believe that his flow would lead to meaningful partnership when in fact was a friend with benefit situation. Which, I was clearly opposed to from the beginning. Well three years later, receiving the same answers to 13.2>1. I am tired of the games, lack of clarity and directions from one that claims to say lets see were this friendship leads. Since, I am an outsider in Florida because I am only here part time. However, we both travel back and forth from NY/Florida. I was not clearly seeing the picture. He forms relationships on false pretenses and forms a clique or should I say his personal harem to work as group. Perhaps, it is me that has misinterpreted the fellowship by wanting exclusivity. I am uncertain. I would have preferred to have given and honest option about this situation, not be talked to in circles to arrive at the same point. I guess I am naive as he put it. I was straight forward indicating what I was looking for however accepted his flow to see if something would flourish. Well I guess 13.2>1 indicates that I should not seek fellowship with him because it would lead to shame. The time with him has been overwhelming emotional, over analyzing and trying to come to terms with this thing. I have sincere feelings for him and uncertain of his for me. We have a wonderful time together and hour pass like minutes. Anyhow, I have struggled with this for quite some time and indicated to him yet again that this isn't what I want, either it's going somewhere or it's going nowhere for me(my creative force). His response was were all mature adult. I agreed providing the boundaries had been set clear from the beginning and not misguided to this position (his game). I hope I have the strength to endure this decision.
My question today is: Why do I feel ashamed of our relationship?" and Yi's answer, 61.2.5.6 to 24. I need to return to my inner truth about this situation. That it will not lead to anything substantial and It is time to move away from this fellowship.
61.2 says to speak from the heart. which I did
42.5 indicates that I'm fighting the flow of purposeful event and is unlucky. to follow my heart (this is very difficult because the heart want what it wants however very uncomfortable with this flow or buddy situation)
27.6 I am not understanding how "Transcend purely personal goals to see how you are a light for others and in that, you find great reward." I'm not clear is this a let go and move on or sit by and see what happens because I have already acted and put an end to it. I haven seen him since Thurs. and am quite anxious as to what will happen the next time we see each other!
24 indicates return. Again, unclear...... Am I to return to being myself and isolating from this situation. Or will he return with another friend/or to me.
Thank you for all you help in the past. Any and all assistance and clarity would be greatly appreciated on my interpretation of 61>24.
He has me a confused mess and seriously attempting to make a stand for myself. I don't wish to be manipulated nor be a concubine to any man. I think I am being told to return to what I believe in, wanting an honest monogamous relationship/ partnership with another. Please help clarify my uncertainty with this reading! Thank you again Sorry if Im talking in circles! Need to find clarity!