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I've been frequenting a beach nearly every day for the last couple of months. As far as I know no one takes any notice of me and me of them but in the last week I've been approached by two guys. One surfs there a lot and I've seen him around but the other one has just started to show up and it just happens to be within minutes after I get there. He creeps me out. What do I need to know about Creepy guys intentions towards me? Hexagram 7.2.3>15....I get nothing from this answer except Line 3 - carting corpses - what the hell are his intentions there. The surfer guy seems harmless but it does seem a bit strange to me that all of a sudden two of them have approached me. What do I need to know about Surfer guys approach towards me...this looks to me like he just wanted to bridge the gap of not knowing each other even to say hello but he's in no rush to become good friends or anything, just friendly enough to say hello. thanks
 

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First Impression: These two guys are aggressive, and also they might compete with each other, as 7.2. is supposed to be the leader of an army. I'm not that sure about 7.3 either.
 

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Hello becalm, and the second thought: there is water, dangerous water (Hexagramm 7, the lower trigramm). It changes to the mountain (Hexagram 15, the lower trigramm), which is the mountain, thinking over, seeing over. I guess their main Intention may be to impress you? Strange enough I think it is.
 

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I also don't like the 'carries corpses' part here. And since you already feel he's / they're creepy, please steer clear of that beach! Our hunches are there for a reason!

Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for January 20, 2017.jpg
 

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Overall, I don't see this reading as saying that this guy or guys have creepy intentions towards you, but Hexagram 7 is about being able to transform ourselves into whatever we might need to be - like farmers turning into a farmers' militia - as the need arises.

So perhaps there's a suggestion here that you need to marshall some of your 'reserves' and become - at least for a while - something (or someone) other than you are right now: perhaps to be more cautious and observant until you know more what's going on.

The Related hexagram 15, calls for us to 'appraise things with fair allocation.' This doesn't mean to treat everyone the same (as in being open and friendly to all people in the same way) - nor that everyone gets an equal piece of the pie (especially if that 'pie' might be our trust and need to feel safe) - but instead that you evaluate the situation based on what you know and feel: two strange men all of a suddenly seemingly more interested in you for no reason, and having feelings of being creeped out by it? I know how I'd 'evaluate' that - which is not to say that there might be non-harmful intent on their parts, but only that you take the time to make yourself safe and evaluate what's going on.

Another name for the related hexagram is 'Restraining Oneself .' Which perhaps includes a cautious, 'holding back a bit' approach. So, if it were me I'd make sure to visit the beach when there are a lot of people around, not go out of my way to approach this guys or make myself seem especially approachable, maybe go at a different time, or bring a friend along for a while?

Just some thoughts, but you'll probably know best what to do.


Regards, David.
 

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Another remark about resulting 15 - the Judgement says that the superior man:
有 (= has/exists) 終 (= end/finish)

It seems that some translators render this along those lines.

Shaughnessy: the gentleman has an end.
Wu: the jun zi will have grace in death.
Huang: for the superior person there is an end.
 

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Thank you all very much.....I do feel I need to be a lot more cautious now all the holiday makers have gone home as they're less people around now. Gosh I'm 58 y.o. now though still attractive so I've been told. I would have thought I'd thought men would be past this stage of bothering me, unfortunately I've always attracted unwanted attention just going about my business. I try to keep a low profile but yes I will have to become a lot more mindful of what's going on. Scarey to be honest.
 

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This situation comes on the back of a 3rd guy who I had already done a post about, that's what so strange about it. The first guy (other post) just looks at me now and doesn't say anything. I think yes as mandarin_23 says they're trying to impress me but as diamanda says at what cost to myself (re corpses). And what David says makes sense about being cautious until I learn what really is going on. I think I've mentioned before that I'm recovering from PTSD for the actions of men when I was a young teenager. Honestly I just want to be left alone to enjoy my life, the beach all that sort of thing.
 

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I remember that 3rd guy you wrote about, he sounded totally mental. I'm really sorry you have suffered so much. I've had my fair share too.

Sadly there are way too many destructive people out there, in a variety of degrees. You mention that you're still attractive, and I'm sure (and happy) that you are. However, please consider that destructive people do not operate on the same principles that we do ('we' being kind constructive people). There's lots of malice and madness out there.

The cartoon I posted was not totally a joke. If our ancestors were giving predators the benefit of the doubt, or found excuses to justify the predators, we wouldn't have survived as a species.
 

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Thanks diamanda for you kind words.....no I didn't take the cartoon as a joke actually I appreciated it. Yes you're right I was someone that always found excuses for others behaviours - way to vulnerable and kind. I would like to lose my vulnerability but not my kindness and certainly not to people that don't deserve it. That mental guy, well the situation it presented, allowed me to learn a lot about myself. It always seems to be a case of once I relax something else like this sh*& comes into remind me to keep that guard up. I'm sorry you've had your fair share as well but apparently it makes kinder people because of our understanding of suffering. I really just want to knock these guys heads together and tell them to F... off which is a step forward for me tbh!! However short of that I will do my best to avoid them being able to feel they can approach me. The creepy guy used to just pop up next to my car so I've had to move that further away to stop him being able to access me so easily.....I also found yesterday a good deterrent was to pretend I was on the phone.
 

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I really just want to knock these guys heads together and tell them to F... off which is a step forward for me tbh!! However short of that I will do my best to avoid them being able to feel they can approach me.
Lol becalm!! You remind me with this statement of a former colleague of mine. We had a terrible nasty aggressive bully as a boss. We were so mistreated that I and my colleague started to fantasise about hiring snipers to get rid of him, or him dying during his trip to Australia by jellyfish, or quick sand, or other natural disasters we read about. One day, and while we were on this joke, my colleague turned to me and said: "I used to be a really peaceful person!".:rofl:

It always seems to be a case of once I relax something else like this sh*& comes into remind me to keep that guard up.
Yep... sad but true. There's too many of them around.

I also found yesterday a good deterrent was to pretend I was on the phone.
Great tactics to show him that others know where you are! Also, you could try giving him a disdainful angry look.

I'm sorry you've had your fair share as well but apparently it makes kinder people because of our understanding of suffering.
Here I will strongly and fundamentally disagree. This is simply not true, and it's dangerous to assume that.

I did not become kinder because of suffering - I have been loving and kind since I remember myself. I have remained thus despite the suffering. And I bet you can say the same, and I'm certain that we can't change that, even if we try.

I know countless people who are dodgy adults, despite the amount of love (or hate) they received as children. I also know some (fewer...) people who are kind and loving, despite the amount of love (or hate) they received as children. The reason why I said that this is a dangerous belief is because I have fallen victim of this in the past. A sh1tty person would tell me all about their horrible childhood, and I would assume that because of their suffering, they understand, and they're kind people. Nope. I fell victim to this dangerous belief time and time again till I realised it's a common trick... I'm not saying that everyone who says they suffered is bad. What I'm saying is that when someone tells you that they've suffered, this does not guarantee they're a good person.
 

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PS - and no matter how much someone has suffered, they have no right to harm others.
 

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or him dying during his trip to Australia by jellyfish, or quick sand, or other natural disasters we read about. One day, and while we were on this joke, my colleague turned to me and said: "I used to be a really peaceful person!".......hahaha funny that - I had to actually escape for my life a couple of years ago (added to PTSD) because I was working outback....though it wasn't a joke there was dingoes on one side, crocodiles in the middle and the mental/emotional abuse of the husband of the family I was working for. Shame at least something didn't happen to that boss!!! My remark about knocking their heads together as progress was before I would cower like a victim now I get angry and annoyed like I should. Decided today on a new tactic.....I have a long lens on my camera, this creepy guy hides himself as best he can in the brushes on the edge of beach so you can't always see him and the only part you can see of him at a certain angle is his head and shoulders. I'm going to take a photo of him everytime he shows up with the time and date on my camera and if things get worse I have evidence for the police but my guess is it's going to make him feel uncomfortable as he does me by watching me. You're right re not everyone becoming kind because of their sufferings in life - most just repeat the offences onto others by bullying or some form of other abuse feeling justified because it happened to them instead of addressing their anger, hurt and pain and being 'the victim'.
 

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*crocodiles on the other side and in the middle was the husband abuse
 

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Hello becalm! Sorry for your uncomfortable situation.
I don't know how to interpret your answer, but agree with the others that recommend you to be cautious.
You have asked the I-Ching about the guy's intentions .You can also ask about what you should do about your strange situation.
 

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Becalm - yes I understood that you meant that you finally feel rightful anger, it's indeed a great step. Dingoes, crocodiles, and abuse... good grief, what a situation! I'm glad you're out of it now.

I'll agree with Marybluesky, it would be good to ask how you should react to this weird situation. The camera idea sounds great in theory, but perhaps do a cast as we don't know what type of psycho you're dealing with.
 

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How should I respond to this very weird situation Hex 57.6>48....hectic!! Looks like I should have sex with each of them under the bed, lose my virginity (property - although lost many years ago, come on I'm 58) and knock them over the head with an axe although that could certainly be a pitfall because then all the other men around there may see me as a (Hex 48) resource for well you know....However I think it could be saying be persistent in my correctness, maintain my goal of keeping my distance and staying out of harms way. I think it's not possible at this stage to know exactly what is going on Line 6 but it's best to just keep focused on my learning of dealing with things differently.
 

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Hahaha! This is so funny, you've made my day :D

The line sounds bad though. Wilhelm comments on 57, "in human life it is penetrating clarity of judgement that thwarts all dark hidden motives". Here, however, the 6th line is far removed from the idea of 57, so dissolving darkness is not possible.

Not only that, but you're in danger of losing both your property and your weapon. If you try to penetrate under the bed (photograph him under the bush where he's hiding..?) then the line says it's an omen of misfortune (he'll take your camera?). I'm not certain that this refers to the camera idea, but overall I don't like it. 48 is about turning to a secure, steady supply which sustains us. Isn't there any other, safer beach near where you live? Or even better, a swimming pool?
 

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How should I respond to this very weird situation? Hex 57.6>48

Up until now you have been trying to Subtly Penetrate (57) the situation and change it for better...
57.6: "Obedient under the floor, one loses one’s resources; even if faithful, there is misfortune." Stop being receptive/indifferent to what is happening. Look for a Source (48) of help - friends? family? police? ... You should actively stop the guys.
 

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Thank you both but this reading really just didn't makes sense to me. Although I'm not comfortable with the situation I don't feel fearful or threatened. Yesterday afternoon I saw my quite sexy male neighbour go outside to retrieve something with just a towel around his waist - of course images of the towel slipping momentarily came to mind.....a couple of hours later still thinking about this reading an image of myself came to mind. When I go to the beach I discreetly get changed in and out of my bathers doing it UNDER my dress, LOSING my property of the bathers. Clearly this creepy guy is coming to the beach to watch me do this, not that he would see anything inappropriate as I have the change of the clothes down pat after years of being a beach goer.....but just the act of it would potentially be turning him on would be my guess knowing once those bathers are off I have nothing under my dress. Even though it's not for any reason but practical purposes re the change of clothes if I keep it up it could well result in Misfortune of creepy guys hanging around.
 

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Thank you both but this reading really just didn't makes sense to me. Although I'm not comfortable with the situation I don't feel fearful or threatened. Yesterday afternoon I saw my quite sexy male neighbour go outside to retrieve something with just a towel around his waist - of course images of the towel slipping momentarily came to mind.....a couple of hours later still thinking about this reading an image of myself came to mind. When I go to the beach I discreetly get changed in and out of my bathers doing it UNDER my dress, LOSING my property of the bathers. Clearly this creepy guy is coming to the beach to watch me do this, not that he would see anything inappropriate as I have the change of the clothes down pat after years of being a beach goer.....but just the act of it would potentially be turning him on would be my guess knowing once those bathers are off I have nothing under my dress. Even though it's not for any reason but practical purposes re the change of clothes if I keep it up it could well result in Misfortune of creepy guys hanging around.Gua Poem: Determination for an army: A respectable man (man with a staff) is auspicious. Without fault.The great image says: Water in the middle of the earth: Legions. The noble one tolerates the common people and watches over the crowds.Looking back on the reading of his intentions, I see Lise's commentary on this - whilst I wouldn't call him a respectable man he is a man with a staff (penis) and so far he's without fault as he hasn't actually done anything except watch over the crowds where the water (ocean).I'm certainly not saying what he's doing is ok but it appears his intentions are just to 'watch'.
 

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It looks like I've posted twice but not being able to edit I've just copied and pasted to add more to my last post.
 

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Fair enough call Trojina he actually has tried to intimidate me by approaching me and I think one has to use ones intuition when doing readings as well. It's up to individuals how they make use of the Yi and what they do with the answers/interpretations. How each individual uses it is noone else's business tbh and whether you wish to answer on the forum (or not) is also up to you. When you've responded to other posts of mine I appreciate it very much as it's obvious you've a great understanding of the Yi.
 

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I just meant everyone seemed ready to incriminate him via the reading, I'm not doubting your experience or the potential seriousness of it although am a bit confused as you say

Although I'm not comfortable with the situation I don't feel fearful or threatened.
...and I'm wondering what they said when they approached you ?

I have in the past seen people become convinced another person had criminal intentions purely through a Yi cast and I don't think that's good. Reading quickly through this I had the impression that was happening here. However on re reading I see you have more actual reason to suspect these men - but all I'm saying is don't let the readings steer you into thinking the worse.

7.3 can be simply carrying a lot of misconceptions. Do you think an actual conversation with them might clear it all up ? I have often found when I speak to really creepy looking people they aren't creepy at all. Is that a naïve suggestion ? It depends how isolated it is there I guess.

If you call out to them 'hey you what are you doing' you might embarrass them. They sound pretty juvenile and silly in their approach.
 

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Well yes his behaviour is somewhat juvenile isn't it - hiding himself watching me (and potentially others I guess). When he first approached me it was almost childlike as he just came up to me and said hello as children sometimes do. We exchanged a bit of chit chat and I walked away and I could sense he wasn't happy about that. The second time he approached me he just stood there and looked at me until I noticed him. I said hello and he just stood there with what I would say was an angry look on his face but he said nothing just kept looking at me. He wears sunglasses so I've never actually seen what he looks like and we all know one can tell a lot by someone's eyes. Since then if I look over at him he's looking at me. Could be purely innocent or not couldn't it. The fact that he lives where he lives, the suburb I mean - well the two don't go together which is very hard to explain. At a guess I'd say he's got mental health issues and living with his parents or something like that. I wasn't actually trying to incriminate him just get a gage on the situation in terms of keeping myself safe. I don't really feel comfortable approaching him because he's an 'unknown' behavioural type to me. I've seen him engage in conversation with the surfers but he seems to be outside the group.
 

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Becalm,

When I first responded to this thread I got the impression that the 'creepy' guy or guys were acting perhaps a bit oddly or awkwardly, but not really threatening. However, what you've been describing since is way beyond odd or awkward.

Regardless of what advice you might glean from the Yi, I'd suggest doing more to make sure you feel safe - is there a local police officer whom you could talk to about this, perhaps they can give this person a warning? Or do you have enough of a relationship with your hunky neighbor to ask him to talk to this creep? I know a bold move is often not in our natures, but I can imagine the next time he approaches you that you might take his picture, and tell him straight up - stay away from me or I'm reporting you to the police! And always, always be sure that people are around and even stick close to them.

Anyways, just a reminder to stay aware and stay safe. Best, David (a.k.a hopefully not creep guy).
 

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Thankyou non creepy David if nothing else this post has made me become more mindful of the need for personal safety. Generally speaking not much goes on in the sleepy hub of this town but I'm thinking this guy is not actually from around here and may well be just staying here for a short period of time only. Will just have to wait and see whether he's still there again as the last two days he was not.
 

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Since making use of my mobile to make out I was calling someone whilst keeping an eye on him, I haven't seen him.
 

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Hi becalm!
I know this thread is a few months old, but I recieved this cast today when asking about a person whom I thought was a friend, who appeared to become toxic. Basically, when I had an abnormal smear & got told it was low grade, I texted all of my friends afterwards to say that all was ok, then I received a toxic response from her, couched in all this "Love and light" twaddle, saying that I was an alcoholic and drug addict and that is why Ibhad a cervical cancer scare.
Now, I know this is not true, I told her so & explained my own inner journey relating to it, how I felt that the small journey with cancer again was evoking and related to losing my daughter at 22 weeks due to a weak cervix, (its her 14th birthday in a few days) and internalized negative judgement stuff about women's bodies, sexuality and creativity, and the grief over the loss of other early babies in my life.

I truly wish I hadn’t told her, because I received an even more toxic response. Since then, over the last few weeks, I have remembered other things she said, toxic statements and sabotage situations (like telling an archaeologist at Newgrange "Oh she has memories of past lives here!", when she knew I wanted to seek a job there, and have 2 degrees in archaeology - v embarrassing, I did talk with her about it, but at the time thought it was innocent. I did step back from her for a good few months after that, though).

I did communicate with her that I saw her statements as wrong, but also her own projections from her time as a hard core party addict (class A drugs and alcohol) and her co-dependancy patterns with hard core addict boyfriends. She sent me a "I'm sending you a healing tonight" text out of the blue. I take this, and line 3,to mean that she is not getting it, too much baggage (corpses), that I need to be balanced (hexagram 15), but also aware of this in doing my healing - that I can release my own baggage here, and any of hers i inadvertently took on, but to focus on doing what I do in my life, being in the "centre of the legion " my own path, and balancing myself.

I am contemplating doing a little ceremony I know a long time, with a blue candle, to clear the energies and etheric / astral cords, release this, because, yes I have felt hurt by her, but I also feel things lingering, and I am clearing my life of this kind of connection, where I am giving, helping and being kind, but not seeing the toxicity, or that someone is just taking, and also subtly or more overtly putting me down.
(The kind soul that needs to be aware)
It is also clearing for where I am allowing these situations, a small ceremony that helps reconnect with self and remind one of and, bring in healthy boundaries. I am ready to release this pattern, connect more with true friends. I asked Yi about advice, a good attitude for this little rite, and received hexagram 7.2.3 - 15.

Though the situations seem different, I actually see resonances - That there are corpses, or old habits in my behaviour that I am clearing out, (line 3) and that I see the toxicity in this connection and a few others now, through moving through the situation (line 2), healing and clearing and processing.

I can see that you have been doing that too becalm, healing issues relating to the sacral chakra.

This cast seems to be about pulling yourself and your energies together, being aware that yourself and others could "carry ghosts", ie old habits or behavioural 'fleas'.

It says to me "have a look at yourself and clean up your own act, how could you keep yourself safer? This woman has a lot of baggage, how do you seek balance for yourself when encountering this kind of energy in future?"
This is the focus of the ceremony, to be more aware and keep myself safe, but also to seek balance in myself.
I think it's also telling me to be careful of this women

Becalm, I just wonder if you could perhaps have your bathing costume on before you go to this beach? So that you are not changing on the beach?
And yes, please bring a friend or companion with you for a while. Maybe this could open up new friendships too, maybe there are a few people who would like to go to the beach with you?
It could do ye all good!

I know the guy who seemed Creeeepy has gone away, but I would see this as a warning, that perhaps he's Just weird but its a vulnerability, its showing that someone much worse could show up.

Also, was that beach ever a dogging spot?
There is a beautiful beach, Silverstrand beach, on the edge of my city, and one day I was there, and these old men kept trying to chat me up, very persistant and asking where i lived, would I go back to their house etc. I got in the car and left! Found out afterwards that it was a dogging spot, and also homosexual daylight orgy spot in the past (A woman with her kids walking dogs turned up at 3pm one afternoon to see a homosexual orgy of about 11 men right on the beach! It was in the local paper)

I only go there with friends now. Line 3 just makes me think of this, that this guy or others could linger, or turn up at this beach because it once had a reputation for sexual shenanigans! Maybe you could check the old local papers, or ask around?
Please be careful, and be safe! :hug::)
 
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