Dark side of 11?

[candid]

Kevin, if its contagious maybe we can start an epidemic of peace?

 

[etyrnal]

Hi Candid,

I've drawn 11 hex. before. I didn't understand its meaning either at the time because things did seem pretty scary - no job, no money = depressing

. Things did lighten up not too long after that. I now interpret that card to be the 'don't worry' hex.

Here's part of an article I found on the web:

The number 11 reduced to a 2 is the peacemaker, mediator, the companiion who settles disuputes because he or she must have harmony. In the Tarot, the number 11 is Justice: The figure on the throne holds the sword of discrimination which cuts through the outer form to reveal inner truth. The scales represent balance through justice.

Here is another interpretation of 11:

The Number Eleven, this correlates to the Planet Pluto, the color of black, the sign of Scorpio, the Scorpion and Eagle the eighth house, and the letters K, & V. (V is a 22) 11x2

The Number Eleven- Transforming cycles and Endings.

Dig below the surface, research and intensity.

Eleven is the number of transformation and intensity. It is called a master number. There are two other master numbers 22 & 33. To understand them it is necessary to understand the number eleven first. Just like the number 9 represents the color of white light, eleven represents the color of black or no light. Often enlightenment comes as a result of hardship. Numerologists have said that eleven is the enlightenment number. I believe the Numerologist 11 is more like the Uranus energy of white light. In giving the number 11 the meaning of light numerologists have lost or forgotten what Astrologers have always known. Scorpio has always been connected to darkness. Darkness is the absence of light. So eleven is a master number in that it covers both light and darkness when it is connected to the other numbers. Eleven walks a fine line between greatness and self-destruction.


You can read the entire article here:

http://www.geocities.com/astrologyandnumerology/TheNumberEleven.htm


17: KEY: The Star

The keyword for the Star is "fish-hook," suggesting an angling, groping, or fishing for someting that is not yet realized. Through meditation, the Stars function, truth can be gleaned from the depths of the subconscious. This card represents the beginning stages of mental development, the beginning of ideas. The large star is the cosmic energy which radiates through the seven smaller stars, or the 7 "interior stars," the chakras in the body. The woman symbolized by Mother Nature who keeps "the imperishable record of the memory of nature." She is supported by earth and balanced by water (physical sensations reinforce meditation but the subconscious balances the results). Number 17 bestows hope, faith, and courage in the face of problems. There is compassion, and a desire for peace and love among all people, which stems from deep understanding. Intuition is developed. In difficulty, going within aids in finding truth.

 

[candid]

Thanks Etyrnal for the additional info. Funny because prior to all this I've seen 11 in a quite different light. This has been helpful overall.

 

[cheiron]

Morning (here) Candid

Chuckles

My time hasn't started yet... infection still at early stage...

This has been a very timely thread for me.

I too have learned quite a bit more about 11.

If it's really infectious we will just have to start using the 'empty city' on mount T'ai to house folk...

Just touching base to wish you well.

Sleep well.

--Kevin

 

[tashij]

candid just a thought this morning- about your 11 and you - maybe farfetched. (not so good at i ching y'know,) but maybe your destiny path of 23 is fulfilled. perhaps the i ching is telling you something of this sort -- but it is satisfied to it's completion. maybe a new cycle?

also to kevin, you are a great spirit, if i caused you to blush i am very sad.

 

[arien]

Candid, in my experience, the Yi can talk in the negative, like we sometimes use a negative example to explain a positive one, or vice-versa.
In those cases it all makes sense if you invert the omen's polarities. Sometimes it is the "inferior person" that sets the example...

I think 11 can be used negatively to portrait a situation where the intercourse of the yin and yand is what is NOT needed, or even saying something like "this is what should be happenning (but what is happening is the opposite)"

hope this helps..

 

[candid]

Kevin and Tash,

This time of 11 isn't yet completed because I just inquired a reading for the day and received 11 unchanging. The emotional condition surrounding is also unchanged, and I'll elaborate a little on this in my response to Arien. Tash, your thought of 23 coming to completion as my destiny certainly is intriguing. Maybe you're right, and maybe not. I honestly have no idea at this point.

Arien, thanks for your feedback. I need to reiterate, this experience is not negative in any way, other than perhaps the odd sadness of 17, no changes, which I received again on the matter late last night. And even that isn't negative so much as it is quietly awe inspiring. As to the idea of reading the reverse, as if saying - this is what you need: peace - I really don't think so, but I understand what you're saying and do appreciate it.

We as a people are change addicts, I think. Many of us thrive on the melodrama of life ands it weaving images. But this isn't a time for weaving images, though much is actually going on in and around my life at the moment. It?s a time of stillness and sobriety, and also a time to follow those ideals I cling to.

One more word on this. Back when I began the trek with Yi in the late 60s, I was fortunate to have my dearest friend journey with me into exploring the changes. His personal Gua was and still is 61. I identified mine even way back then as being 11. Maybe, just maybe Tash is on to something here, maybe the cycle has completed itself.

Warm regards and thanks to you.

C

 

[cheiron]

Tash

No, some folk here, and I think you to be one, have a great learning.

You share yours in a 'good' way which I enjoy and can understand.

I am not so well read... I need to blush sometimes

Happy

--Kevin

 

[heylise]

On my website at hex.11 I have a link to some information on the 5 sacred mountains.
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/tai-shan.htm
Tai shan is the Eastern Mountain, Mount Hua is the Western one.
Hua means glory, splendor.
LiSe

 

[cheiron]

Oh, LiSe

Thanks

Wonderfull... I realy want to read this...

but can you fix the link please?

Thanks

--Kevin

 

[dharma]

LiSe,
i have tried a number of times over the past few days (using different links, too) to get onto your site but i always get the "error" page instead. i just tried again with the link you provided above and i'm still getting the same thing... what's up?

 

[candid]

Also getting an error page, LiSe, but I'll look for it through your home page link.

 

[candid]

mountain

 

[jte]

"His personal Gua was and still is 61. I identified mine even way back then as being 11."

Personal gua? Is that the one that makes you cry (good cry)?

"and there's still this most unspeakable awe when I think of the western mountain... tears is all I can do.. and to be honest, I don't know much about it other than Wilhelm 17.6"

"maybe your destiny path of 23 is fulfilled. perhaps the i ching is telling you something of this sort -- but it is satisfied to it's completion. maybe a new cycle?"

Just connecting some dots here... Hope it helps...

Sincerity will transform a country...



- Jeff

 

[candid]

Hi Jeff,

Personal gua is the highest ideal for a given individual. I believe most every student has one if they pause to think about it. My friend has always personified 61, and I've known him since 1957 when we played in a band together at 12 years old. The one which has always resonated most deeply with me has been 11. I even had the lines embroidered on my clothing.

Tears of...? Its not just sadness or joy. Not positive or negative. You know how some things just evoke some deep emotion that you just can't put your finger on?

I've wondered if perhaps the western mountain was an actual link to my own ancestors, and that a door to the unseen karmic bond with them is what brings tears. Maybe that's it, but I'm unsure.

An image which comes to my mind regarding this is the opening of the movie '2001 A Space Odyssey,' when the primates were gathered around the black monolith, and the one primate touched it, instantly shifting his relationship with his universe. The monolith emitted the voices of the collective unconscious Mind, and was somehow holy, not just sacred. It surpassed time, or perhaps contained it. This is the feeling that overcomes me when I think of the western mountain, since receiving 17.6 this past week. The intense processing of 17.6 just before falling asleep must have continued on in my sleep, in my subconscious. When I awoke only some 3 hours later, I was in a stupe, like I awakened somewhere else. So I then asked the Yi, where am I, (I'd actually considered that I may have died in my sleep or was dieing, as in the last scene of 2001, where the man watched himself have his last supper.) and received the first dark 11 I'd ever had, or at least the first I'd been as aware of having. Not a bad place, just dark, shadowy, unknown.

I believe there's a link between 11 and 17.6, and I believe it is the touch from the Master's hand, like the touch of the mysterious monolith, only the opposite of the primate's experience. The primate realized self, like Adam in the garden after eating of the knowledge of good and evil; loss of innocence. Here, self realizes completeness, or no self. This, if I have to put it into words, is my association with the western mountain. Maybe historically its unrelated, I don't know, I'm not a historian. But it is the association or connection I'm linking with my own experience with the western mountain, the monolith, the Sage.

It is an irony that I live where I do because these western mountains owned me from the day I moved here. I always knew I would be here.

 

[dobro p]

How are you with 52? Similar reaction? Probably not. 52's like going inside the mountain.

 

[candid]

Hi Dobro,

I'm fine with 52.

I do see similarities with 11. A mountain is a mountain is a mountain.

I'm concluding that all of this is myth. Not to say it isn't real to me, but that it is as an inner story of spiritual romanticism. To imagine it as being more would be folly.

So I thank you, my friends, for allowing me to verbalize this myth and mystery. Maybe it might serve to spark meaning and devine imagination in your life. It certainly has in mine.

C

 

[heylise]

Candid, thanks for giving the link. I had little time for reading mails, because we are having crazy times here. Besieged by TV and newspapers.

There is some confusion about Western and Eastern mountain. In this article Tai is the Eastern Mountain, but in another the Western. I will try to find out how it is.

The picture on hex.11 (http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_1-16/hex_e_11.htm ) at right, below the little moon, is a picture of the West wind (probably a tree with shaking leaves or with gusts of wind), and also a name of Tai Shan.

LiSe

 

[candid]

Thanks, LiSe. I love your work! But then you already knew that.

Remember to smile for the cameras!

 

[cheiron]

LiSe

I looked for it and looked for it... obviously not hard enough though.

Lovely Article

Grateful thanks

--Kevin

 

[candid]

Kev -

 

[cheiron]

Candid

Doh!

I read pages of LiSe's site looking for it... Really enjoyed her piece about Yarrow stalks and the Lunar Callendar.

Thanks for the link to Hx.11... I never thought to read there too... very beutiful and evocative...

Now here is an odd thought...I looked at the newer image of the Hex there:

And what immediately struck me was the image of a great person straddling a river running down and away from them with an imploring or worshipping hand and arm reaching up to them... one from each side of the great river... The river Styx comes to mind.

LiSe - I know this might bare no reality to hard research - any comments though?

BTW - The reason I did not find your article on your website is because there are so many damned goodies there... I read for hours!!!

Wonderful thanks both.

--Kevin

PS

Candid - My symptoms are developing - Curiously sad but also bright - sleeping less - not drinking at all - peaceful - smiling a lot and feel a lot of love coming in and going out...

How are yours now?

 

[cheiron]

Helps to post the right image though I guess...

 

[cheiron]

Helps to post the right image though I guess...

Here it is

image{Hex 11}

Thanks LiSe

Hope you don't mind me borrowing it without permission.

--Kevin

 

[cheiron]

Helps to post the right image though I guess...

Here it is

image\ {Hex 11}

Thanks LiSe

Hope you don't mind me borrowing it without permission.

--Kevin

Sticky backslash thingy

 

[cheiron]

 

[cheiron]

Hi Candid

I think I've got us a map.

Bit of synchronicity... Thanks to Novice22's post.

Hx61:62

Am posting in a few hours... much thinking and typing

chuckles

--Kevin

 

[heylise]

All hexagram pictures are in the 'emoticons'list right here on Clarity. Free to use for everyone.
Happy you enjoyed my website. Imagine how great it is to make it!!!

LiSe

 

[candid]

Hey Kev, welcome to Tai, dude! Yes, very much as you?ve described. Interesting.

I?m still dawdling about in 17, no changes.

Busy with calls so I gotta run too!

 

[heylise]

I did read somewhere about the image of 11, being someone struggling in water. But forgot where. Maybe in the big Ritsema-Karcher.

The river Styx is interesting ..

LiSe