Daughter's new job

[TGSinMD]

Hello there. First time post. I have been using I Ching on and off for many years and about a month ago decided to start using it daily as part of my daily journaling practice.

My daughter, after 10 years with a well paid but tedious job and a divorce, decided to change her career, moved to London, studied web development and just got a job offer. Knowing nothing about the company and being mystified by how tech jobs work (no office, all remote work, less hierarchy) nowadays I decided to consult the Yi.

The question. How is my daughter's new job going to turn out.

The answer: 29.3.6 > 57

I was intrigued by the double trigram not just in the original hexagram but in the one it changes to as well.
At first I thought, uh oh, Repeating Chasms, sounds bad but then the oracle mentions that "with truth and confidence" there will be success. So this is a great starting job for her, a great way "to get wet" in her new career and that she needs the be confident to ride out the rough patches (as every new undertaking and unfamiliar surroundings will have). She should jump into the rushing waters and follow them where they take her. "Movement brings honor"

The image I thought was particular promising. (I am using Hillary's translation here)
"A noble one, consistent in character and action, teaches things by repeating". I saw that as consistently maintaining a positive attitude, she will be able to learn a lot and share it with others (especially since she is now working part time as a teacher at the place she studied at).

I was a little confused by the changing lines.

• Line 3 "entering into the pit without a chasm--do not act" seems to indicate that she needs to acknowledge her limits and not overwork but take a rest and some time off from her new job.
• Line 6 seems to say that her learning period at her new job will peter out and have little forward movement after that. "for three years, gains nothing". Might that be an actual timeline for her before she moves on to a new job?

The relating hexagram: Subtly Penetrating: Creating Small Success. After the rough and tumble of a new job, things will settle down. She should take what she learns there and decide which direction she want to take and seek out those she admires in her new field. "fruitful to see the great person".

Any thoughts?

 

[rosada]

Reads to me like she's plunging into something that is going to take some time to figure out and feel comfortable with.

 

[Skywatcher]

Hello,

I worked for many years as a web designer/web developer and I know of no other way to work than remotely. It's normal!
However, both me and my professional colleagues abandoned this career some time ago (about 2018). I am unaware of the demand in the country where she lives, of course, but the majority in my country have no job in this area, or have had to change their profession.

Line 3 talks about possible weak determination in relation to the goal, and there are dangers on all sides.

Line 6 talks about her still being able to get out of a bad situation. It's difficult to say whether this situation is due to weakness when facing problems or; the solution is beyond her reach.

I wish her luck, regardless of her choice!

 

[Trojina]

Sounds pretty disastrous to me. The lines are what you need to focus on and they can't be soft focused.


Let's see what the I Ching says. From wiki, line 3


'Coming to chasm on chasm.
Steep sides also a resting place.
Entering into the pit within the chasm, no use.'

Then line 6
'Bound with strong rope and cords,
Shut away in a thorn thicket.
For three years, gains nothing.
Pitfall.'

I find it hard to see how anyone can conjure up a positive spin on this.

My daughter, after 10 years with a well paid but tedious job and a divorce, decided to change her career, moved to London, studied web development and just got a job offer. Knowing nothing about the company and being mystified by how tech jobs work (no office, all remote work, less hierarchy) nowadays I decided to consult the Yi.

The question. How is my daughter's new job going to turn out.

The answer: 29.3.6 > 57

Going by the cast alone this is a highly unstable situation, not one she could endure in or one she would want to enter into I don't think.

To me it all seems painful, entrapping, not a path to take. I think 29 and 57 together show a lack of actual grip on anything. It might be the case that the job isn't what she thought or that she just doesn't really know what she's meant to do, there's nowhere to stand here.


Your description here fits the reading so it could be it's the way you see it

Knowing nothing about the company and being mystified by how tech jobs work (no office, all remote work, less hierarchy) nowadays I decided to consult the Yi.

Mystification...nothing there, I'd be highly dubious about this. I'd be wondering what this is and what it involves. It reminds me of a scam or something. She ends up sort of locked into an unpleasant situation she can't get out of in 29.6.

I even sense there's the possibility of deception with 57 there. I can see this as a pervasive spinning of a precarious situation that's really not a good trap to fall into.

I don't usually ever discourage people from what they want to do but this really is a crap cast and there is no way it can be dressed up to look like a good idea ! I don't think it's even honest.

 

[TGSinMD]

Oh dear. “Soft focusing ” does look like what I was doing in my interpretation. Trying to read the oracle in the most favorable light especially since she has accepted the job offer and seems happy about it. She had three possible offers in the running and this one was the one she liked best. I regret now asking the I Ching especially about something outside my control. Now I am in the uncomfortable place of having decide whether to tell her the results of my inquiry. She may not be willing or able to do anything about it and it would just depress her to hear it. Maybe another question to consult with the Yi.

 

[breakmov]

My daughter, after 10 years with a well paid but tedious job and a divorce, decided to change her career, moved to London, studied web development and just got a job offer. Knowing nothing about the company and being mystified by how tech jobs work (no office, all remote work, less hierarchy) nowadays I decided to consult the Yi.

The question. How is my daughter's new job going to turn out.

The answer: 29.3.6 > 57

food for thought:

Is it possible that Yi is simply making you aware of your state of anxiety about your daughter?

It fits very well!

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[Trojina]

Oh dear. “Soft focusing ” does look like what I was doing in my interpretation. Trying to read the oracle in the most favorable light especially since she has accepted the job offer and seems happy about it. She had three possible offers in the running and this one was the one she liked best. I regret now asking the I Ching especially about something outside my control. Now I am in the uncomfortable place of having decide whether to tell her the results of my inquiry. She may not be willing or able to do anything about it and it would just depress her to hear it. Maybe another question to consult with the Yi.

I don't think it would be a good idea to tell her given she didn't ask you did and she's happy with her choice.

I never ever think anyone should not take a job because of an I Ching cast and I loathe the idea of people 'obeying' or running their lives by the I Ching., Life is for living and finding out not handing all responsibility over to an oracle.

Perhaps I laid it on a bit thick though it's not a great cast. But then there's proportion to take into account. It might be a crap job but she can leave if she wants I guess.

I'd leave well alone in your shoes. You will depress her and influence her where you you shouldn't. However it might be a good idea to do some research yourself about the job and then if you see anything glaringly wrong suggest she look into it ? Or even just suggest she checks out the reputation of the place. The way you wrote of it it almost sounds like it doesn't exist

Knowing nothing about the company and being mystified by how tech jobs work (no office, all remote work, less hierarchy) nowadays I decided to consult the Yi.

You could ask her how it works.

It is possible the cast refers to your overall frame of mind about her but it was a pretty direct question so unless you really feel it's about you because you are really floundering I don't especially see why it would be. If you weren't her mother but someone more distant I think it would be less reliable since asking about other people's issues isn't a great way of using Yi.

 

[Trojina]

My daughter, after 10 years with a well paid but tedious job and a divorce, decided to change her career, moved to London, studied web development and just got a job offer.

Also could refer to the whole situation. To me that doesn't even sound real but I may lead a humdrum clueless life. Just moving to London in Covid times with London being stupidly expensive and starting a brand new career....? For all I know the cast could refer to the whole picture.

 

[TGSinMD]

Thank you Trojina and others. I agree about keeping this casting to myself. I have since done more research on the company and I only see positive things about it thought there isn't a whole lot of information. The place is very small, only about 8 people, which might be why it has such a low profile. I checked some website called Glassdoor which lets employees review where they work and the reviews are all positive. I did find a list of the staff there and found out who founded it. A young guy and a young start up. What my daughter liked about it so much was that the interview process was so efficient and personable, which makes sense, since what they sell is a hiring app for recruiters. It's been probably over 20 years since I looked for a job and things have changed a lot. I was surprised not to see a list of staff on the website but people now care more about the reviews your product gets than who is behind the scenes making it work, I guess.

 

[rosada]

Let's study these hexagrams a little further.

57. Is about gently penetrating into a new environment.
It follows 56. The Tourist, the traveler who ultimately got killed because he didn't know and follow the customs of the new town he was passing through.
57. then is about not being an ugly tourist and advice for getting acqauinted in a new town on a deeper level. which I see as meaning that the person is no longer just passing through town but is now wanting to know the area, stay awhile. Here the traveler is looking to learn and get to know the people and the culture.

I felt the I Ching was describing this is the job that is before you daughter at this time. In other words, it's not talking about the company and the work it does, but rather it is specifically talking about what your daughter's job IN LIFE is right now, and her job is to figure out this whole new universe she's 29.3 plunged into!

29.6 Makes me think working at home may prove to be tedious. Hmmm..interesting you mention her last job was okay but tedious too. Maybe she needs to be aware of a tendency to fall into that mind set and look for what she herself may be doing that makes her situation that way. Like maybe she needs to consciously cultivate friendships. Interesting it sounds like this is what's happening already!

Just realized 29. describes plunging into something deeply while 57. is about entering very gently.

Maybe advice for you to not try to dig too deep into this, gently go along with what your daughter is telling you!

 

[Trojina]

Yes I think 29.6 could well describe working home alone could be a bit tortuous for her mental state and she may want to get out of that and find it hard to get out of.

Of course she moved to London but could do that job from anywhere. I know of people who live in vans and move around and do that kind of work. What need does she have to be in London if her work is remote ? I can't see 57 here as settling in, the lines are pretty stark. I still wonder how legit this offer is. 57 is persuasive, can get in like the wind through a keyhole so thats why the whole reading looks a bit shady to me.