DEFINITELY not gonna get the job, I think?

[youngmaid]

I interviewed for my dream job on the 12th of March. I was weak on a couple questions, but the interview went really well! I left a good impression and the two women I met with were lovely. One of them invited me to contact them if I had any questions, etc. Waited a week, didn't hear anything (although they said they were planning on hosting second interviews hopefully during the week of 22 March), and sent one of the women (the big boss) an email, thanking her for inviting me in. In that email I included examples of my previous work for her to peruse, if she was interested. I got an "Out Of Office" reply: she is away from last Wednesday the 17th to this Wednesday.

I'm really tired of job hunting, it's breaking me down and I really hope that something pans out soon 'cause I feel like all of my energy is being put into hunting for additional employment. I don't know if it's loss of faith or what, it's more like fatigue and just general exhaustion bordering on bitterness.

I asked the I Ching: "Will I get the second interview with these people? Or will something else spectacularly positive occur within the next two weeks on the career front?"

I got 62.2.5 > 28

OK, looks like I'm not gonna get it. Fine. More job applications I suppose.

Line 2: I pass my grandfather and go to my grandmother instead, and try to get an appointment with the prince, but can only hook up with a minister.
--I'm not going to reach the prince (the big boss), but will deal with the official (the second lady I interviewed with?)

Line 5: There are lots of clouds in the sky, but they're not raining. I shoot towards the sky, but actually, the arrow punctures the bird I'm aiming at in the deep dark crevices of a cave.
--I need to seek helpers; from where/how? Don't know people who work in that company. Also, seems like line 5 is saying that I can't achieve what I set out for, so, forget it.


Any thoughts?

Thanks for your help

 

[arabella]

Consider the source, because I am also learning, but first of all, I've been warned on here several times that asking a two-part question: will THIS happen, or will THAT happen, is a killer. You will not get a proper answer. Most here prefer that you ask a question: what is the possibility that..... rather than a question that begs a yes or no answer. That is for you to decide. I've done both. But, if you want help, I'd make this a single question for a start. And then ask for interpretation on this forum again when you have a more clear answer.

 

[youngmaid]

Hi Arabella,

Thanks for your insight! Yeah, you're right, I need to stop asking two part questions, it's silly.

What struck me with this reading though is that the I Ching seemed to be speaking to me directly about the dream job situation. The line at second seems to be saying: stay where you are, don't make any further attempts to contact the higher ups; it's the initial contact that counts. The line at five says, in my book: "The culmination is coming. You make an enduring connection with someone who is in retreat. This relationship will open up a whole new life."

The woman I've interviewed with is out of the office right now, so, I guess I kind of interpret that as the "someone who is in retreat". It could be wishful thinking, but, who knows? I Ching is telling me to kick back, so, I'll wait until the prince grasps another in a cave.

I'll take your advice though Arabella and stop making my questions so complex. Cheers for reading this and have a great day!

 

[arabella]

What I am recommending is that you recast your question to the IChing, asking only one question at a time, because it is impossible to read the answer you now have. You don't know which question it is answering, which means it has no real value. Then you might get a better response from people who help out on this forum, because they will have something clear to work from. Also, while your person is away you may become better prepared for what to expect when she returns, or know for certain whether your answer to employment simply lies elsewhere.

 

[youngmaid]

Hi Arabella,

Don't know if it's a good one, but as a general rule of thumb I don't cast more than one reading per day. Don't know... it just seems as if I ask too many questions then I don't get any answers, I just get more questions. Like, I just cast another reading after your post suggesting that I ask for clarification, asking "Will I get the job?" and I got 10.1.4.6 > 29. That answer confounds me even more than my original answer to the double-sided question. At least the first answer I got spoke to me, I understood what it was relating to. Now I'm completely confused, so, I'm not really taking this reading into consideration and just sticking with my first one.

So, I think you're right, double-sided questions aren't cool and are sometimes silly, but I think that sometimes they do garner the appropriate answer...

It's a hit or miss maybe?

 

[willowfox]

I asked the I Ching: "Will I get the second interview with these people? ?"

I got 62.2.5 > 28

It suggests that your hopes for a second interview will not happen this week at least, but in the meantime you should hear from the secretary saying that they are no longer interested or whatever. So, if you want to keep going then you will need to get hold of the woman that you spoke to at the interview and press her for more information and possibilities.

 

[youngmaid]

It suggests that your hopes for a second interview will not happen this week at least, but in the meantime you should hear from the secretary saying that they are no longer interested or whatever. So, if you want to keep going then you will need to get hold of the woman that you spoke to at the interview and press her for more information and possibilities.

Hi Willowfox,

Thanks for responding to this. Again, your accuracy is incredible. But, what transpired today wasn't related to the dream job. As Arabella pointed out, my double-sided question was too vast and I think that my first more nebulous reading 62.2.5>28 pointed to this incident.

I basically received a rejection for a book I pitched from the publisher who was "seriously considering it". Their editorial committee didn't like their perceived market for the book and the salespeople said they didn't know how to sell it. I've spent the weekend getting the numbers together (my company promised to deliver a marketing report by tomorrow) and the real hard info that I've compiled completely negates what they've said. I replied to my boss' notification of their rejection, letting her know that their figures are inaccurate, and I'm waiting to hear back.

In regards to the dream job, I did as Arabella said, cast again and asked "Will I get this job?" I got 10.1.4.6>29

Cheers again Willowfox, you're my I Ching saviour!

 

[patro]

Hi youngmaid,
making multiple question to the I Ching is not a great idea like put in the question "if".
it's very difficult to obtain a correct answer..... the IC answer you any way but do you know how to read the answer?
I experienced in the past that when I made a multiple question to the IC... it answer me in most of case with 2 hex.. the first hex is the answer for the first question, the second hex is the answer for the second part of the question. it's very useful to not read the moving line/s. you must read only the comment for the hex.
In this case using this technique:
first part of the question: "Will I get the second interview with these people? "
62..... this mean that you don't obtain what for you are looking for...
you can get something less...

second part of the question:"Or will something else spectacularly positive occur within the next two weeks on the career front?"
28... this mean that you are asking to much and this will not happen

Patro

don't worry about my bad English.... but hope to help any way

 

[youngmaid]

Re-think the gameplan

first part of the question: "Will I get the second interview with these people? "
62..... this mean that you don't obtain what for you are looking for...
you can get something less...

second part of the question:"Or will something else spectacularly positive occur within the next two weeks on the career front?"
28... this mean that you are asking to much and this will not happen

Hi Patro,

Thanks for your insight and for taking the time out to help me with this! Your approach on reading double-sided questions is REALLY helpful. I hope that I'll answer direct questions in the future, but still, I really appreciate your double-sided reading technique, thanks for sharing it.

Your readings on my hexagram and changing lines are really really helpful too. Everything that's happening right now indicates that my plans are too lofty and I need to scale them down, 'cause nothing is working out.

What is really shocking, what I am discovering slowly but surely, is the fact that my industry, book publishing, is getting hit hard right now. I see and hear palpable results of people and/or companies getting destroyed by recession: layoffs, not adding any new titles, no jobs, and not just for lowly little editors like me, but big senior managers too. I've been taking all of this failure very personally, but looking at the big picture, publishers are being annihilated right now, book sales are faltering and everyone is being exceptionally cautious. AND the opportunities for employment in the industry are next to none, so, even though I'm totally qualified for the job I interviewed for, there might be a desperate candidate interviewing for the same position who has years more experience than I. The fact that I even GOT an interview is incredible, because the applications were around 400.

My ideas have been shot down because they're risque, and publishers aren't trying to be risque right now, they're playing it super safe. Risks could mean doom for them, so, even though there's a market out there for what I'm cookin' up, no one's buyin' 'cause they're too scared.

So, anyway, used car salesman it is! If my ambitions are worthy, they'll happen when it's meant to happen.

Thanks again Patro! Have a great day!

 

[patro]

I'm glad to share all my technique.
please if you share this technique.... please call it " the patro technique "
hehehehe
Patro

 

[youngmaid]

I'm glad to share all my technique.
please if you share this technique.... please call it " the patro technique "
hehehehe
Patro

hahaha, will do! The Patro Technique is in full effect! Take care xx

 

[youngmaid]

Question about strong lines

I'm wondering, since both of those lines were the strong lines in the initial hexagram, then does that portend success in some way? Like, clearly it's not the success I was thinking about when I cast the coins, but do those lines indicate something like, things'll work out even if stuff didn't go according to plan?

Cheers xx

 

[patro]

"I'm wondering, since both of those lines were the strong lines in the initial hexagram, then does that portend success in some way?"
you are right .... in some way but not the way you are doing..

the sixth line say to search some one that can help you to reach what you want. you have all capacity to obtain alone the position to which you aspire... but it's not the right way to get it.

the second line tell you that You must keep accounts with some people... so you find yourself in a safe position... the kind of relationship is not important, only staying in contact is important.

probably the second line mean that as friend of some one... you will in the future called for an interview... and not as usual that you candidate for an interview.

as you can see the second and the fifth line are consequential... its talk about relationship in the same way.
I hope to not confused you.
Patro

 

[willowfox]

In regards to the dream job, I did as Arabella said, cast again and asked "Will I get this job?" I got 10.1.4.6>29

I don't think so.

 

[arabella]

Youngmaid, not to do with interpretation, but in the event that it helps you other ways, I'm also a writer, [books mostly but also magazines, poetry] and can sympathise with rejection and employment insecurity. To overcome the feelings of vulnerability I gradually developed a couple extra strings to my bow and now also write for business [public relations] and do strategic planning. It's not my ideal, but actually more rewarding than I had expected, AND it means the mortgage is paid. Good luck.

 

[youngmaid]

I don't think so.

Thanks Willowfox. Neither do I! I'm over it anyway, c'est la vie.

 

[youngmaid]

"I'm wondering, since both of those lines were the strong lines in the initial hexagram, then does that portend success in some way?"
you are right .... in some way but not the way you are doing..

probably the second line mean that as friend of some one... you will in the future called for an interview... and not as usual that you candidate for an interview.

as you can see the second and the fifth line are consequential... its talk about relationship in the same way.
I hope to not confused you.
Patro

Wow Patro, everything you mentioned unfolded. Thanks for these readings. An invoice for work I did last year for a friend got honored. I totally wrote it off, 'cause it's been months since I submitted it. Unbelievable. There may be an opportunity for more work through this friend as well. We'll see.

I find your readings of these lines incredibly accurate and helpful. Thank you so much!

 

[youngmaid]

Youngmaid, not to do with interpretation, but in the event that it helps you other ways, I'm also a writer, [books mostly but also magazines, poetry] and can sympathise with rejection and employment insecurity. To overcome the feelings of vulnerability I gradually developed a couple extra strings to my bow and now also write for business [public relations] and do strategic planning. It's not my ideal, but actually more rewarding than I had expected, AND it means the mortgage is paid. Good luck.

Hi Arabella,

Thanks for commiserating with me! What a tough industry! I love writing, but the media is brutal. You're right, I'm going to have to figure out how to up my coffers. Don't know what to do, but I think the best bet is for me to go back home (I'm living abroad now) and start there, because I think that I "speak the language" of the community where I grew up in, and people may be more receptive to my work there than they are here.

Still though, thanks for letting me know that I'm not alone! Have a lovely day xx

 

[arabella]

A further comment YM, I live abroad as well and have for nine years now. It wasn't simple breaking in to writing and of course I've had to adopt the idiom and spelling, stylistic attitude, but it's worked and been well worth it. I do the business end of writing more than books now because what you write does need a "hook" for publishers and I write from my home experiences most readily. However, I didn't want to go back as I love where I am and the experience of living in a different culture. Of course it's all individual, but don't assume you have to retreat or throw in the towel. One for the IChing perhaps?

 

[youngmaid]

Gameplan

A further comment YM, I live abroad as well and have for nine years now. It wasn't simple breaking in to writing and of course I've had to adopt the idiom and spelling, stylistic attitude, but it's worked and been well worth it. I do the business end of writing more than books now because what you write does need a "hook" for publishers and I write from my home experiences most readily. However, I didn't want to go back as I love where I am and the experience of living in a different culture. Of course it's all individual, but don't assume you have to retreat or throw in the towel. One for the IChing perhaps?

Hi Arabella (and the onlineclarity community),

Thanks for your post, it was really SO helpful in determining my life path right now, and I thank you for taking out the time to nurture me.

I did what you said: asked the I Ching CLEARLY what I should do.

First question: Should I move back home?

I got 22.6 > 55 (Which is weird, because I've been getting both 22 and 55 consistently in regards to questions concerning my writing career. I'm writing a book right now and absolutely RAGING each story revision.)

I've got to wrap up what I'm doing where I live now, make sure that I've adhered to every responsibility that I have currently, so I asked:

Second question: Should I start to look for temp work to garner up the funds I need to move back to L.A. after this year's London Book Fair? I got 34.2 > 54

Final question: Will I secure the money I need after London Book Fair to get home and re-establish myself there?

I got 50.6 > 32

This all seems very, VERY auspicious in terms of enacting a "move-home" game plan.

I would really appreciate your thoughts. I think that I'm going to go for it: the whole move back home and make my dreams happen there thing. Your comments are BEYOND appreciated! Thank you for your time and for listening to me!

xx

 

[arabella]

First I would pass along to you something I learned from Trojan the other night. That is to be very careful how you are both posing and interpreting the primary question in a string of questions; one depending upon the other.

So I look at 22.6 and from what i know, that hexgram, with 6 as a moving line changes to Hexagram 36, whereas, you have read 55. 22.6 to my way of thinking advises you to do the easiest thing you can first, not the most dramatic. It warns again embellishing the situation with further complication and Hexagram 36 is hiding your light, so maybe doing something that isn't most attractive or groundbreaking in your mind either. With this in mind, maybe double check both your initial casting, and your feeling about this casting and what it means about moving home now. I try to go with my gut on readings of this nature. I mean, the 22.6 could mean it's much simpler for you in LA, it could also mean a move across the ocean is more complex an answer than you need to consider. Hex 36 could mean to lay low for the moment and wait just a bit longer, or that you need to fold your tent. In a case like this, I try to plumb the depths of my intuition and sense my truest feeling.

Going on, 34.2 changing to 54. That changing line is read, from what i understand, as a guarantee of your personal power and that in the situation it's not so necessary to act on your power but to BE it. Which to me implies your innate ability to attract success by just being at the top of your game. The outcome Hexagram 54, the marrying maiden, maybe suggests that you shouldn't be too hasty in your assumptions, based on the tremendous power you have inherently and your ability to attract something to you in the time frame you have mentioned that answers your problems readily. I suppose temp work as a backup isn't lost, but maybe will prove unnecessary because of surprising new possibilities, which would be a relief I imagine since it's not your favorite idea anyway.

Your final casting of 50.6 would indicate to me something extremely auspicious in your ability to make money where you are, and as this hexagram turns to 32, an enduring stable situation, I would guess that you might, in the course of trying to earn money to try to leave, find a situation that suits you to a "T" and could be the answer right where you are. Reading it in a second way, you might attract the money you require readily and find that you are in LA in a stable, longterm situation that feels just right to you.

If these were my castings, this is how I would see them. But I suggest there are far more experienced people on this forum and I hope they will chime in with comments, as this is a life-altering crossroads for you.

As Trojan noted to me it is essential that you get the first hexagram clear and interpret it with fundamental accuracy, so that all the contingent questions aren't to be seen in multiple interpretations but clarify the first casting you did. I hope that makes sense. It seems quite simple, yet I was really impressed when I got what he meant and realised I'd never considered the possibility of making such a basic error and how that mistake would throw everything else off.

In any case, I wish you the very best.

 

[Trojina]

First I would pass along to you something I learned from Trojan the other night. That is to be very careful how you are both posing and interpreting the primary question in a string of questions; one depending upon the other.




As Trojan noted to me it is essential that you get the first hexagram clear and interpret it with fundamental accuracy, so that all the contingent questions aren't to be seen in multiple interpretations but clarify the first casting you did. I hope that makes sense. It seems quite simple, yet I was really impressed when I got what he meant and realised I'd never considered the possibility of making such a basic error and how that mistake would throw everything else off.

In any case, I wish you the very best.

I'm flattered but i don't think i said that...well i didn't think i did...but you could be right so i think you should take credit for that idea

I personally don't tend to ask strings of questions...and am never ever sure I've interpreted anything with 'fundamental accuracy'...we never really know do we, we are still groping on the dark, can't be sure of being absolutely right.

I think my point was if you base further questions upon previous answers...then if you misinterpreted the previous answer you have a false basis for your next question...so my solution to that is just not to do it. I usually only have one question i want to ask at a time and rarely ask another question based on a previous answer.. But interesting you interpreted what i said as meaning you have to get your first interpretation absolutely right. But how can we ever really know its right...we willknow better in hindsight but we can't be sure at the time. well maybe some can i can't.

Thinking about it, occasionally i do ask more questions on the basis of a previous answer but no more than one or two. Alot of people do though and find it okay its just one can get lost like that IMO so being aware of that danger helps

I'm female BTW

 

[youngmaid]

First I would pass along to you something I learned from Trojan the other night. That is to be very careful how you are both posing and interpreting the primary question in a string of questions; one depending upon the other.

So I look at 22.6 and from what i know, that hexgram, with 6 as a moving line changes to Hexagram 36, whereas, you have read 55.

I clearly miscast this hexagram. Must have been wishful thinking! I love hexagram 55, so my Id probably steered me towards it! I'm sorry. Thanks for calling me out Arabella! I'm going to have to read hexa 36 and see what's going on! I'm sure you have better things to do than to help me with guiding me on my life path, but I will definitely read 36 and see what's up and then get back! Thank you xx

 

[youngmaid]

I think my point was if you base further questions upon previous answers...then if you misinterpreted the previous answer you have a false basis for your next question...so my solution to that is just not to do it. I usually only have one question i want to ask at a time and rarely ask another question based on a previous answer..

WEIRDNESS, although I'm a total Kinder (I've been using the I ching for ten years, since I was 15) I made it a point to never ask more than one question per day. I'm like, "MATURE", I suppose, and I totally am experimenting with the Yi and today I tried to cast three SPECIFIC questions in one day. I guess that's selfish, and I feel excessively guilty now. From now on though, thanks to you and Arabella, Trojan, it's all about the one question casting situation.

So, 22.6 > 36: Oh MY GOSH, I'm SOO with Arabella. Sounds like I need to wait it out and see what transpires.

GOODNESS! I wish candy would fall from the sky! Or, that I were a squirrel. In either case, decisions wouldn't be so complex and all I'd have to do is go for the nut!

Thanks for reading this xx

 

[arabella]

Oh, sorry Trojan, I don't know why I assumed you were a man. How embarrassing.

Whichever of us decided that the initial premise/casting had to be as accurate as possible, I think it's a good idea. Or like in the case of building with a lopsided foundation, further development can only be more out of kilter.

And again, YM, I hope others will say something too as I am no expert. But hexagram 36 does seem to suggest getting quiet and seeing what comes to you?

 

[arabella]

By the way, I tend to think of the IChing as relatively inexhaustible. It's just we who run out of focus and that's probably the limit on asking questions that are truly new or make a difference. And I think that's more the caution of asking over and over again the same thing in various guises, rather than simply needing further information so asking for just that. The latter, I think the IChing will accommodate. However, asking essentially the same thing many times, just clothed in different language, may be the reason I, like others, sometimes cast the Hexagram 4, that suggests it's time to back off and let it rest.

 

[Trojina]

WEIRDNESS, although I'm a total Kinder (I've been using the I ching for ten years, since I was 15) I made it a point to never ask more than one question per day. I'm like, "MATURE", I suppose, and I totally am experimenting with the Yi and today I tried to cast three SPECIFIC questions in one day. I guess that's selfish, and I feel excessively guilty now. From now on though, thanks to you and Arabella, Trojan, it's all about the one question casting situation.

So, 22.6 > 36: Oh MY GOSH, I'm SOO with Arabella. Sounds like I need to wait it out and see what transpires.

GOODNESS! I wish candy would fall from the sky! Or, that I were a squirrel. In either case, decisions wouldn't be so complex and all I'd have to do is go for the nut!

Thanks for reading this xx

I didn't mean i would only cast once a day...i just meant i tend not to think up new questions based on my understanding of previous answers...like if i had asked 'tell me how is it between me and jon' and Yi gave me an answer I understand as saying something along the lines of 'this is really harmonious'..I think I'd leave it there rather than go onto ask 'what is harmonious about it' etc etc etc..but thats just my preference.

I often ask several different questions in one day though but seperate questions... not questions based on understandings from previous answers. I don't think you need feel guilty whatever you choose to do lol ! How can asking a question be selfish ?

i don't know if anyone can understand me

 

[Trojina]

Oh, sorry Trojan, I don't know why I assumed you were a man. How embarrassing.

Whichever of us decided that the initial premise/casting had to be as accurate as possible, I think it's a good idea. Or like in the case of building with a lopsided foundation, further development can only be more out of kilter.

?

oh its okay Trojan is a pretty butch name.. i think i might change it one day to something cuter

yes you're right if you do choose to ask a string of questions following from one intial casting, which lots of people do , it is a very good idea to give the initial answer a fair amount of thought...though sometimes they appear obvious

 

[willowfox]

First question: Should I move back home?

I got 22.6 > 36

Second question: Should I start to look for temp work to garner up the funds I need to move back to L.A. after this year's London Book Fair? I got 34.2 > 54

Final question: Will I secure the money I need after London Book Fair to get home and re-establish myself there?

I got 50.6 > 32

22.6 > 36 This suggests that you need to get back to the plain and simple life once again and therefore stop striving to stand out from the crowd, its like time to get back to the roots if you like. As for Hex 36, it suggests take a rain check, take cover as fate is preventing any progress. Hex 36 also carries another meaning that you are stuck in London, so you will need to struggle on for a while longer.

34.2 > 54 Yes you should look for temp. work.

50.6 Is good, nothing really can go wrong, as it is to do with continuity.

Surely you can get a ticket on one of those budget airlines really cheap, less than a 100 pounds.

 

[youngmaid]

22.6 > 36 This suggests that you need to get back to the plain and simple life once again and therefore stop striving to stand out from the crowd, its like time to get back to the roots if you like. As for Hex 36, it suggests take a rain check, take cover as fate is preventing any progress. Hex 36 also carries another meaning that you are stuck in London, so you will need to struggle on for a while longer.

34.2 > 54 Yes you should look for temp. work.

50.6 Is good, nothing really can go wrong, as it is to do with continuity.

Surely you can get a ticket on one of those budget airlines really cheap, less than a 100 pounds.

Thanks for breaking this down Willowfox. As of today, I'm enacting the move-home plan, putting my head in the sand, and getting back to basics.

I'm kind of obligated, 'cause my bosses already paid for my entry, to go to London Book Fair this year, so I'm going to tender my resignation two weeks before the fair. Then I'll look for temp work after the fair.

Thanks again for your insight and support.