Dental Issue 44.2.6>31

[goddessliss]

Good morning,
I have had what seems to be a toothache off and on for a couple of months. Inconsistent pain but excrutiating when it happens which suddenly comes out of nowhere and can go just as quickly as it comes.

I don't eat sweet things and there doesn't seem to be anything that sets it off, that I can work out, except a lot of times the pain has happened when I am lying down even waking me up. Once I get up and start walking around the pain goes within minutes.

Pain killers don't necessarily work. The last time I had it was nearly 48 hours ago after having it on and off for about 3 days but the last time I had it I thought I need to get to emergency as the pain was so, so excrutiating. I ate some salty chips for the low blood pressure I have also been suddenly experiencing and within secs the pain was gone.

I have panic attacks when I go to the dentist plus it is mega expensive and I continue to live week to week financially and I don't want to go if it is not necessary.
About 10 years ago or more I had a similar 'dental' issue - I went to the dentist, he xrayed said he couldn't see anything amiss, gave me antibiotics just in case of an infection and said he would do root canal on the tooth(which tooth if you can't see anything). I never went back because it all settled down - until 10 years later

How will going to the dentist help my dental issue Hex 44.2.6>31

Looking at the pics of the Hex's 31 looks like a hole in the top of the tooth and Hex 44 looks like the hole is filled in. Just my take cause I know Tom likes to look at it this way. so just trying to learn if this appears appropriate....

thku
Liss


How will going to the dentist help my dental issue

 

[pocossin]

How will going to the dentist help my dental issue?
44.2.6>31

Looking at the pics of the Hex's 31 looks like a hole in the top of the tooth and Hex 44 looks like the hole is filled in. Just my take cause I know Tom likes to look at it this way.

Thanks for the compliment. Hexagram 44 looks like a tooth too -- roots at the bottom. But from your description it doesn't sound like a tooth problem because the site of the pain is indefinite. I'd expect a more definite location even from sinus or facial nerve inflamation. Hex. 31 is often taken as matters of the heart, and it looks like a heart (solid center) with veins and arteries. I think your pain could be referred pain from a struggling heart when your blood pressure is extra low. Mr. Heart doesn't like to run short of oxygen -- but what do I know? I'm no doctor. You're short of funds and might not want to see an M.D. now, but couldn't you talk to a nurse at a public health clinic? This sound so severe I hope you get something done.

 

[goddessliss]

Thks Tom sounding about right and I guess affairs of the heart have been a major theme for me over the last couple of years mainly heartbreak and heartache.
Further conversation with a friend and another conversation with a naturapath reveal that it maybe neuralgia.

so I have asked How is neuraliga the cause of pain in my mouth - again I get Hex 44 though lines 2 and 5 changing leading to 56 - hmmm.....Hex 56 perhaps suggesting it maybe just something I am moving through -The traveller is on a journey of his own, just passing through this place and staying for a while. To be the traveller means you are not at home here – you know you don’t belong. Also, you have a strong personal direction: wherever you find yourself for now, you know it does not define you

I just came back from an short but important holiday yesterday and it has driven home to me something that I have been aware of for a number of months - I am not at home here but at present I do not actually know where to go from here.

 

[pocossin]

Is the pain on the left side or on the right?

 

[goddessliss]

Interesting question - on the right.

 

[pocossin]

Can you locate the source of the pain by pressure? Begin at the front of the upper cheek bone and move backward toward the jaw joint. Then, while walking with the fingers, move around the lower jaw forward and ending back up in the front. Do you feel any pain? If not, move to the tragus (rectangular ear projection) and press in front of it on the jaw joint (Temporomandibular joint). If still no pain, press in the groove behind the ear and downward under the jaw bone. The idea is to locate the source of the pain. If none of this finds the spot, press on the swelling behind the ear (mastoid). If you cannot find the source of the pain, I'm stumped. Oh, and press on the sinus above the right eye.

 

[goddessliss]

Hey Tom, well I can locate it to a specific tooth but then it doesn't actually feel like it's the tooth that's the problem but going from the position of neuralgia, my understanding is that the neuralgia picks a weak spot in your system and I also understand that neuralgia is an almost unexplainable thingo.
Anyway I am going to the dentist on Tuesday next and will see what they have to say and take it from there. Thankyou for your interest : >

 

[goddessliss]

I went to the dentist today and he told me I have gum disease which I was kinda aware of but.....I was under the impression there was nothing I could do about it cause no one had told me. So he said no I can clean your gums and then every 12 months get them cleaned and it will help.
Then when I mentioned it to my friend who works with TCM she said of course there is something that can help it is Coenzyme - man I am so upset after all these years of not knowing this.
The dentist accused me of not looking after myself and yet I maintain a strict healthy diet, look after my mental, emotional and spiritual health to the best of my ability EVERYDAY.
To be accused of not looking after myself has upset be greatly and also I mentioned that I have panic attacks in the dentist chair and the dental nurse was the most uncompassionate person by the end of the session I was shaking and in near tears and to think all this could have been avoided.

Anyway I hope this helps someone else who may be suffering from gumm disease. Liss

 

[pocossin]

Liss, I'm sorry you had such unpleasantness at the dentist's.

I was under the impression there was nothing I could do about it (gum disease)

There are things you can do about it, but you will still need to have your teeth cleaned by a professional yearly because tartar forms below the gum line where you cannot see it. Basically, each tooth sits in a little pocket in the gums. As we age the gum receeds and the pockets enlarges making us more susceptible to gum disease. I am 69 and now susceptible to gum disease. I prevent it by using a waterpik (don't get a rechargeable -- they don't last) after each meal and use a small squeeze bottle to inject a drop of hydrogen peroxide in areas where gum infections have occurred in the past. If you floss your teeth daily you will know in advance where gum infection is beginning because the floss will pick up the odor of decay. Then just take special care to irrigate and peroxide that spot.

Diet and personal hygiene have little to do with gum disease. In part it depends on the uncontrollable flora and fauna of the mouth and in part on inflammations and infections from elsewhere in the body. And gum disease is especially dangerous because the infection can spread throughout your system. I hope you will bite the bullet and get continuing professional care.

 

[Trojina]

If I ever get to have a private audience with God I'm going to point out that he definatley could have done a better job when it comes to designing human teeth

I mean geez do these things cause us suffering, expense and even tears

My new dentist showed me a hugely magnified picture of my teeth so he could point out where I hadn't managed to hunt out little bits of plaque etc etc....and like I already spend far too much time keeping the things clean as it is

tooth care has changed in this country. when i was young no one seemed to floss or used the little interdental brushes...yeah and we all got rotten teeth .... young people these days have much better teeth

but yes what Tom said is correct. whatever you do you will get plaque because of chemical reactions in your mouth and i have it properly removed twice a year , floss and uses tiny interdental brushes each day...at least on my last visit to the dentist I needed no fillings....the amount of time I spend cleaning the things I should hope not


My dentist also told me to floss before brushing my teeth as this is more effective and not to rinse after cleaning my teeth (only after flossing) to let the toothpaste stay in the mouth to protect against cavities.

Don't feel bad Liss I think tooth care has changed quite a bit in our life time and its not unusual we need continual updating on our hygeine methods. It is important as tooth decay can lead to other health issues


meantime maybe you could find a nicer dentist if this one made you feel so bad though even nice ones get quite strict because I mean they feel passionate about tooth cleanliness as they do it all day everyday and we just think about it twice a day or so


disclaimer ...this post contained no reference to the I Ching and was all about teeth

 

[Trojina]

I have never heard of putting peroxide in the mouth Tom...you mean bleach !?

 

[pocossin]

I have never heard of putting peroxide in the mouth Tom...you mean bleach !?

Hydrogen peroxide is a cheap and effective antiseptic. It takes only a daily drop for an infected tooth pocket -- and don't swallow it. Rinse the mouth out after use. I use a bit of floss to work the peroxide around the tooth. By the way, hydrogen peroxide taken orally is a folk remedy for cancer and is dangerous because even in small amounts it damages the intestines.

 

[pocossin]

disclaimer ...this post contained no reference to the I Ching and was all about teeth

From a quick scan I found no mention of teeth or tooth in the I Ching, but they are visually present in hexagrams 27 and 21.

 

[pocossin]

If I ever get to have a private audience with God I'm going to point out that he definatley could have done a better job when it comes to designing human teeth

I mean geez do these things cause us suffering, expense and even tears

God to Trojan: Didn't I warn about that apple? Well, tooth decay began with the first bite. . .

 

[Trojina]

Hydrogen peroxide is a cheap and effective antiseptic. It takes only a daily drop for an infected tooth pocket -- and don't swallow it. Rinse the mouth out after use. I use a bit of floss to work the peroxide around the tooth. By the way, hydrogen peroxide taken orally is a folk remedy for cancer and is dangerous because even in small amounts it damages the intestines.

yes well I should think it does damage the intestines , you should see what it does to my sink !

I mean I find it a little alarming you put bleach in your mouth even if you do rinse

Tom there is no better oral antiseptic than salt water. You don't need bleach...just rinse hard with salt water and it will get into all the nooks and crannies.

 

[Trojina]

God to Trojan: Didn't I warn about that apple? Well, tooth decay began with the first bite. . .

Trojan to God.

You made teeth and you made apples. Apple acid can erode teeth if you don't rinse after and if you eat alot of apples. So I don't know what you are playing at really. Next time you create a species perhaps you would consult me first on suitability of the chomping gear you bestow. Its alright for you ,you don't have teeth.

 

[pocossin]

Trojan to God. Its alright for you ,you don't have teeth.

God to Trojan: What do you mean 'I don't have teeth'. Don't you know the man (including wo-man) is made in the Image of God?

 

[pocossin]

I mean I find it a little alarming you put bleach in your mouth even if you do rinse

Don't be alarmed. I have done it for years and expect to continue for the rest of my life. I told my dentist what I was doing and he said that he was pleased to hear about persons taking an effort to insure their dental health. I am using the 3% hydrogen peroxide sold in pharmacies and grocery stores here as a 'health aid'. Perhaps you are thinking of a higher concentration HP used to bleach teeth? Whatever do you have that needs bleaching? A cousin recommended to me a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water, half and half, as a mouth wash and believes that it prevented oral disease. A relative -- a dentist -- was sitting between us, and I asked him if such rinsing would clean below the gum line. He said, No, it wouldn't. During my childhood when the danger of lockjaw was great, hydrogen peroxide was used to flush wounds to the foot (we ran around barefoot them) but I don't know that it works for that.

 

[pocossin]

Further on 'God's Teeth'

"Often, to lend credence to your words, or indicate the voracity of your words one might swear by any number of things:

One might swear by God's name, but more often than not they would swear by

"God's Teeth" - "God's teeth, 'tis cold outside."
God's Wounds as "Zounds" (pronounced: zoonds) - "Zounds, I ne'er thought she wouldst do that!"
"God's Blood"
http://www.museangel.net/insult.html
How to Cuss Like an Elizabethan Sailor

We already introduced "tis well" as an all purpose period substitute for "OK".
"God's Teeth!" would be used anywhere you might say "Geez!"
http://www.cloudnet.com/~renfest/renspeak.htm

How patient I must be with the unchurched!

 

[Trojina]

Don't be alarmed. I have done it for years and expect to continue for the rest of my life. I told my dentist what I was doing and he said that he was pleased to hear about persons taking an effort to insure their dental health. I am using the 3% hydrogen peroxide sold in pharmacies and grocery stores here as a 'health aid'. Perhaps you are thinking of a higher concentration HP used to bleach teeth? Whatever do you have that needs bleaching? A cousin recommended to me a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water, half and half, as a mouth wash and believes that it prevented oral disease. A relative -- a dentist -- was sitting between us, and I asked him if such rinsing would clean below the gum line. He said, No, it wouldn't. During my childhood when the danger of lockjaw was great, hydrogen peroxide was used to flush wounds to the foot (we ran around barefoot them) but I don't know that it works for that.

the only bleach I use is to clean drains, toilets, sinks.

Im relieved to hear you don't use that kind of bleach in your mouth

 

[Trojina]

"Often, to lend credence to your words, or indicate the voracity of your words one might swear by any number of things:

One might swear by God's name, but more often than not they would swear by

"God's Teeth" - "God's teeth, 'tis cold outside."
God's Wounds as "Zounds" (pronounced: zoonds) - "Zounds, I ne'er thought she wouldst do that!"
"God's Blood"
http://www.museangel.net/insult.html
How to Cuss Like an Elizabethan Sailor

We already introduced "tis well" as an all purpose period substitute for "OK".
"God's Teeth!" would be used anywhere you might say "Geez!"
http://www.cloudnet.com/~renfest/renspeak.htm

How patient I must be with the unchurched!

the reason one swears on Gods teeth is that he doesn't have any

he doesn't need any, he doesn't eat

you don't seem to know much about God Tom

 

[pocossin]

the only bleach I use is to clean drains, toilets, sinks.

Im relieved to hear you don't use that kind of bleach in your mouth

I think you are confusing a chlorine bleach (sodium hypoclorite) with hydrogen peroxide (sometimes used to bleach hair). Hydrogen peroxide occurs in the body naturally.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...peroxide-summons-white-blood-cells-to-wounds/

 

[pocossin]

the reason one swears on Gods teeth is that he doesn't have any

he doesn't need any, he doesn't eat

you don't seem to know much about God Tom

I definitely remember that the Son of God ate -- like at the Last Supper.

 

[Trojina]

I think you are confusing a chlorine bleach (sodium hypoclorite) with hydrogen peroxide (sometimes used to bleach hair). Hydrogen peroxide occurs in the body naturally.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...peroxide-summons-white-blood-cells-to-wounds/

oh yes perhaps I am

 

[goddessliss]

disclaimer ...this post contained no reference to the I Ching and was all about teeth

Yep well I think it was a tricky one to try and answer but I have enjoyed the discussion you and Tom have been having and thankyou for your sympathies.


I made an official complaint as it was a gov dentist and so I am going to another dentist in 2 weeks time so that made me feel better. : )