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I consult the oracle daily. I always ask an open question ("What do I need to know now?") But how to read the result? Up until recently, when I draw a hex or a line or a combination of lines, I've tried to see the connection between what I've drawn and what's going on in my life. For instance, if I drew 59.5.6>7, like I did yesterday, I'd be looking for the place in my life where I was either dissolving boundaries and dispersing things in a forceful fashion, or where I need to do that - I'd be looking for a situation, in other words. But more recently, I've been thinking that what the Yi is giving me is an overall useful approach for the whole day. So, looking at 59.5.6>7, it means that throughout the day, in situation after situation, one useful way to approach things is in the spirit of dissolving and dispersing things. A broadband approach, in other words, compared to a 'one situation' application.

Whacha think? (Keep in mind I'm talking only about open questions, not questions about specific situations.)
 

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Dobro,
I like your thoughts on the Yi giving you a general approach to the day. Whenever I receive 59 for as reply to daily question I always seem to meet or have a confrontation or issue with a person who 'gets my goat' and presents the occasion for freezing up in my relation to myself. It is nice to have the reminder to 'chill' in such situations. (Interesting BTW that 'chill' in the idiom means 'to relax' and so seems the opposite of 59)


Good thread.

Best regards,

Ken Wanamaker
 

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Hello Ken and Dobro...

I'm glad to have a discussion on daily divining since I'm new to The I Ching. Susan just
got 59 for trying to gain emotional closure on an old friendship. Have either of you had
that type of experience with 59?
All The Best,
Peace:bows:
 

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Susan just got 59 for trying to gain emotional closure on an old friendship. Have either of you had that type of experience with 59?

Nope, but keep in mind that the Yi is user- and time-specific. By that I mean this: if Susan drew 59 at a time of ending an old relationship, then it's right for Susan (not necessarily you or me) and at that time (not necessarily at another different time). Of course, it makes sense that a person would draw 59 (dispersing things) at the end of a relationship. But if it was you or me, we could just as easily draw another hexagram for that situation, because each person is different and so each person has different needs and different ways of handling situations that seem similar to situations other people are going through. For instance, if there was the feeling that it was important to separate from somebody because you didn't agree with the way they were doing things, you might draw 43. Or if you were splitting up with somebody and the split was a big liberation for you, you might draw 40. Or if the person you were splitting up with was a bit of a weirdo and unstable and unpredictable and dangerous, you might draw 29. Or pretty much any other hexagram, depending on your personality, the contour of the situation, and the needs of the time. See?
 
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I'm glad to have a discussion on daily divining since I'm new to The I Ching. Susan just
got 59 for trying to gain emotional closure on an old friendship. Have either of you had
that type of experience with 59?
All The Best,
Peace:bows:

Yup. But there was no trying to gain, just a willingness to let go, and let God.
 
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I don't do daily readings, per se, but I do ask openly. I can never be sure if it pertains to a short term happening - as in something which happens immediately following the reading - or something which pertains to the day as a whole, or just to my state of mind. I just drink it up and watch it happen. The fun part for me is catching it. That gives me a chance to understand the reading experientially. Also, sometimes it relates not to just the day but to a larger cycle of change. A lot, if not most, depends on where my head's at when I ask. I'm not one who believes the Yi always answers the question that's directly asked. I did once, and only years later could I understand what the Yi was really trying to get through my thick skull.
 

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I think that an open question is a question about a one time, one place, one situation per se, you are in fact asking "Which are all the possibilities from here on ?"... So it is an specific question... only that vague.

The other thing is that the Yijing has not the capacity to answer an open question accurately because of its very nature, which is to point where the flow is going, where the flow may carry you, how things may or will change...

Therefore, when you ask an "open" question, the answer will contain the most possible outcome, the possibility with more weight...a bit as when you throw water on a surface, it will have the tendency to flow through the deepest marks, but not all and not necessarily so unless that mark is so deep that takes the whole surface. So, that reading will not be the "it will be", only the "most possibly"... Therefore: when more "open" your question, the more "open" the answer, less accurate if you want, you get the answer that the question deserves :)
 

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I think that an open question is a question about a one time, one place, one situation per se, you are in fact asking "Which are all the possibilities from here on ?"... So it is an specific question... only that vague.:)

When I talked about an open question, I mentioned the formula I often use: "What do I need to know now?" (That's not the same as asking 'what are all the possiblities at this point?') Although open, receptive, willing and humble, this is a fairly specific request. There *is* an assumption built in though, and it's this: that the intelligence I access through the Yi knows more about what I need to know than my conscious personality does. What do you think about that?

The other thing is that the Yijing has not the capacity to answer an open question accurately because of its very nature, which is to point where the flow is going, where the flow may carry you, how things may or will change...:)

Perhaps. But my life definitely has flow, so it's my view that the Yi can be accurate and useful with an open question. See, the contour of my life has its issues and events and peaks and troughs, and they provide the Yi with a focus that's similar to a closed question (like 'what do I need to know about proceeding with this job application?') I think the Yi is flexible enough to deal with either open or closed questions equally usefully.

Therefore: when more "open" your question, the more "open" the answer, less accurate if you want, you get the answer that the question deserves :)

I understand what you're saying, Laureet, and it's possible - I'll have to think about it. But I find that the biggest difficulty with what the Yi gives me with an open question, is not what it gives me, but with my own capacity to interpret it. I mean, I can understand what's the Yi's saying, but the difficulty is that because the question is so open, it's difficult sometimes to know what the Yi's response is referring to.

And *that* is why I started this thread, and why I asked people if they thought the Yi's response to an open question was more about a significant issue or event in my day, or whether it was more about a general approach to the whole. But you seem to have responded to a question I didn't ask. You seem to have responded to the question of how useful open questions were. Okay, I've taken on your idea that open questions are less useful than closed questions. But what do you think about the questions I asked originally?
 
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I think that an open question is a question about a one time, one place, one situation per se, you are in fact asking "Which are all the possibilities from here on ?"... So it is an specific question... only that vague.

The other thing is that the Yijing has not the capacity to answer an open question accurately because of its very nature, which is to point where the flow is going, where the flow may carry you, how things may or will change...

Therefore, when you ask an "open" question, the answer will contain the most possible outcome, the possibility with more weight...a bit as when you throw water on a surface, it will have the tendency to flow through the deepest marks, but not all and not necessarily so unless that mark is so deep that takes the whole surface. So, that reading will not be the "it will be", only the "most possibly"... Therefore: when more "open" your question, the more "open" the answer, less accurate if you want, you get the answer that the question deserves :)

I've read this three times. Once this morning, once this afternoon, and once again this evening. I still make no sense of it.

If I ask a narrow question, my focus is also narrow. If my focus is narrow perhaps I'll see the finger, but miss the moon the finger points to.

That is not to say narrow questions are wrong or worse. Sometimes narrow answers are all we can handle.

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I've tried asking for a hexagram at the start of the day, but gotten distracted trying to match it up while I'm living it.
I've gotten value asking at the end of the day for a hexagram that I might recognize as matching the day's events. THAT question has given me some wonderful responces.

btw. I wonder if people would be interested in a thread for posting our individual daily hexagrams. The idea would be that we would just review the postings with an attitude that we are wishing each other well on our path. I'll start one here in a minute...
 

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Most of the time I ask open questions. My experience is, that that gives me the most accurate answer, and the one which helps me most. In essence it is asking for an overview of my entire situation "now". Most of the smaller parts of it I can see myself, and narrowing down my question gives me an answer which applies only to that part. Very often my own common sense gives me a more clear answer in that case. But it is especially the overview which I need.

I don't see the parts I cannot see (yeah, one day very long ago I got math lessons, this is a clear case of a sound argument). I ask Yi to show me the missing parts, and for that the open question is the only one which makes sense to ask. Like Dobro says "what do I need to know".

Sometimes I wonder why I never ask a question here, in the forum. But I think this is the reason. I want that big picture, and for asking a question to other people you have to narrow it down. What to do about… and then an explanation of what about.
I cannot explain my entire life. But when I ask that open question, everything about myself is part of it. So the more open my question, the more information I put into it. Specific information, nothing open-ended about it. My life, my mind, my heart, my hopes, my fears, nothing is being skipped.

LiSe
 
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Makes A Lot Of Sense...Thanks!

Nope, but keep in mind that the Yi is user- and time-specific. By that I mean this: if Susan drew 59 at a time of ending an old relationship, then it's right for Susan (not necessarily you or me) and at that time (not necessarily at another different time). Of course, it makes sense that a person would draw 59 (dispersing things) at the end of a relationship. But if it was you or me, we could just as easily draw another hexagram for that situation, because each person is different and so each person has different needs and different ways of handling situations that seem similar to situations other people are going through. For instance, if there was the feeling that it was important to separate from somebody because you didn't agree with the way they were doing things, you might draw 43. Or if you were splitting up with somebody and the split was a big liberation for you, you might draw 40. Or if the person you were splitting up with was a bit of a weirdo and unstable and unpredictable and dangerous, you might draw 29. Or pretty much any other hexagram, depending on your personality, the contour of the situation, and the needs of the time. See?
Yeah, Thanks, I do see...Hey, you're pretty good at this!! Much appreciation, Dobro!
Peace:bows:
 

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Yeah, Thanks, I do see...Hey, you're pretty good at this!! Much appreciation, Dobro!

In another thread, you said you were interested in guidance. I don't think you'll get much in the way of guidance on this board, but if you click around you'll get a variety of views. There's quite a lot of disagreement about what's what on this board. The downside of this is that it's hard for the person who's new here and who is looking to be told what to think and how to do things. The upside is that it's great for the person who's new here and who is willing to work out their own understanding and method, and who just wants to know what the issues and options are.
 

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I cannot explain my entire life. But when I ask that open question, everything about myself is part of it. So the more open my question, the more information I put into it. Specific information, nothing open-ended about it. My life, my mind, my heart, my hopes, my fears, nothing is being skipped.

LiSe

That is very well explained, I totally agree.

What I mean by open reply to open questions is not vagueness, it is openess. When you ask an open question with all that it contains, as you so well described, your answer will also contain all those factors, the reply will be as open as the question, not indicating a precise way to do a precise thing or a precise view on one aspect, but a wide vuew, a wide perception with more information than any narrow answer to any narrow question.

Openess is not vagueness, is simply not narrow. So what I mean is open questions provide open replies (rich), vague questions provide vague answers and narrow questions provide narrow answers...and hey, wrong questions provide wrong answers:D

So, each question has its place but will most certainly provide the answer which contents match the question...:bows:
 

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A Peaceful Reminder...

Yup. But there was no trying to gain, just a willingness to let go, and let God.
Hi, Bruce
I've always liked that advice: "Let Go and Let God"...:bows:
Peace
 

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A Valuable Resource...

In another thread, you said you were interested in guidance. I don't think you'll get much in the way of guidance on this board, but if you click around you'll get a variety of views. There's quite a lot of disagreement about what's what on this board. The downside of this is that it's hard for the person who's new here and who is looking to be told what to think and how to do things. The upside is that it's great for the person who's new here and who is willing to work out their own understanding and method, and who just wants to know what the issues and options are.
THANK YOU, Dobro...
I'm certainly learning alot from everyone at our forums. I certainly am working out my
own methods and coming to my own personal understanding. I look forward to your
daily divination and also to Rosada's:bows:
Much Gratitude,
Peace
 

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Open Questions...

I consult the oracle daily. I always ask an open question ("What do I need to know now?") But how to read the result? Up until recently, when I draw a hex or a line or a combination of lines, I've tried to see the connection between what I've drawn and what's going on in my life. For instance, if I drew 59.5.6>7, like I did yesterday, I'd be looking for the place in my life where I was either dissolving boundaries and dispersing things in a forceful fashion, or where I need to do that - I'd be looking for a situation, in other words. But more recently, I've been thinking that what the Yi is giving me is an overall useful approach for the whole day. So, looking at 59.5.6>7, it means that throughout the day, in situation after situation, one useful way to approach things is in the spirit of dissolving and dispersing things. A broadband approach, in other words, compared to a 'one situation' application.

Whacha think? (Keep in mind I'm talking only about open questions, not questions about specific situations.)
I like your "broadband approach", Dobro.:)
So, for today, July 4th, I asked: What should I be aware of today? 37 .3.5. > 27
I take this to mean to be supportive with family and to be receptive to family support.
Peace
 

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Sure thing. Or: being a participating member of an inner group will involve useful input for you, possibly even developing discrimination about what sort of input *is* useful.
 
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Hi everyone,

for jyle 5 i got 59 !!!

unfortunately i can stay and share my thougths because of word load. But I have write some thought I want to share with you.
be back tomorow.

Maria
 

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Useful Input...

Sure thing. Or: being a participating member of an inner group will involve useful input for you, possibly even developing discrimination about what sort of input *is* useful.
Thanks, Dobro
Useful input...hmmm...
As for types of questions, open or narrow, I find I'm learning alot from asking both. Just depends on what frame of mind I'm in when I ask.
Now, for today, I asked a more narrow: What should I focus on today?
So, for July 5th I received: 43 .1.2.3.6. > 12
Since I've got alot going on all at once in my life right now, I got all this drama with the changing lines. Makes sense with what's happening for me. It will be interesting to see how today turns out. I'll let you know tomorrow.:)
Peace
 

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July 6...

Thank goodness all the drama from yesterday's changing lines didn't pan out.
July 6 looks more serene... 16 .3. > 62
Take care of my daughter and The Devil is in the Details!!
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All Quiet On The East Coast...

Thanks, Dobro
Useful input...hmmm...
As for types of questions, open or narrow, I find I'm learning alot from asking both. Just depends on what frame of mind I'm in when I ask.
Now, for today, I asked a more narrow: What should I focus on today?
So, for July 5th I received: 43 .1.2.3.6. > 12
Since I've got alot going on all at once in my life right now, I got all this drama with the changing lines. Makes sense with what's happening for me. It will be interesting to see how today turns out. I'll let you know tomorrow.:)
Peace
Thank goodness, no changing line drama today...Pretty serene as a
matter of fact...
Peace
 

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why are there 2 threads on the same topic
 

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Hello, Trojan

why are there 2 threads on the same topic

What Rosada is doing in the other thread is having us just post our daily and/or share
how it turned out if we want to or if we have time.
Take Care,:)
Peace
 

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July 7...

What do I need to know today? 35 .4. > 23
Have a terrific day...
Peace
 

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July 8...

Hello All
What will bring me closer to my most cherished goals today? 38 .2. > 21
Peace
 

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What will bring me closer to my most cherished goals today? 38 .2. > 21

What will bring you closer to your most cherished goals today is meeting authoritative guidance unexpectedly and unusually.

But you know, I sometimes find you get a ton of utility out of defining your terms. What do you understand by 'my most cherished goals'? And what do you think 'authoritative guidance' means?
 

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Authoritative Guidance...

What will bring you closer to your most cherished goals today is meeting authoritative guidance unexpectedly and unusually.

But you know, I sometimes find you get a ton of utility out of defining your terms. What do you understand by 'my most cherished goals'? And what do you think 'authoritative guidance' means?
My brother has been giving me some useful tips in the business we're in together. And The Oracle is an authoritative guide.
Hmmm...This does give me alot to think about! Thanks, Dobro:)
:rofl:
Peace...
 

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