effect of computer games

[Yarrowstalk]

I asked "what effect does playing computer games has on my body health and spirit " and got hexagram 8 (no changing lines) and hidden hexagram 23

what does this mean ?

 

[Matali]

I asked "what effect does playing computer games has on my body health and spirit " and got hexagram 8 (no changing lines) and hidden hexagram 23

what does this mean ?

Maybe, 8 means that you need to socialize a little more in real life ?

 

[Yarrowstalk]

Really im asking this as some kind of test to yi jing - expected something that says it is a dangour to health or some bad hexagram - and 8 doesnt seem to be the case

hexgram 23 seems more like a fitting reply - but it is not the main hexgram - so not sure how i interpret this - cause 8 seems pretty positive

 

[Matali]

Really im asking this as some kind of test to yi jing - expected something that says it is a dangour to health or some bad hexagram - and 8 doesnt seem to be the case

hexgram 23 seems more like a fitting reply - but it is not the main hexgram - so not sure how i interpret this - cause 8 seems pretty positive

I think it's mostly good advice, no danger in sight ! The challenge of 8 is also to find the right partners who are right for ...

 

[moss elk]

You didn't get 23,
which means: you don't read 23.

Do you play mostly mmo's or vs machines?

 

[Yarrowstalk]

Both vs computer and both vs humans ........ but in general its a time waster andnot healthy - so i wanted to test the yi jing and ask a question on something that is for sure bad for me

i really want to test the yi jing - cause i was adviced if you meditate before 20-30 minutes you get better answers - and i want to get proof the yi jing works so i will put more effort into it - but up to now im not sure about it ............. i asked before for example about strecthing (https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?threads/effects-of-stretching.30947/) and have no idea how to intepert that too - but it was also a test - cause im certian that stretching caused me harm (the way i did it ) and im not sure how to read them

anyway i really look for ways to test the yi jing - and i thought this was a good way if i would get anything that can be interpreted in a negative way ... but 8 isnt negative

i understand you do read the hidden hexgram too thoguh

 

[moss elk]

i understand you do read the hidden hexgram too thoguh

No, I don't look for 'hidden' hexagrams.
That exercise is not essential to comprehension.

 

[my_key]

I asked "what effect does playing computer games has on my body health and spirit " and got hexagram 8 (no changing lines) and hidden hexagram 23

what does this mean ?

Hi Yarrowstalk
I was belatedly drawn to this post mostly because of the other posts you have made about needing to prove the I Ching works and building up trust in your own ability to read. You certainly have posed the question around your playing computer games however hidden away inside you has been this desire to 'really look for ways to test the yi jing'. What lies underneath when we ask a question can sometimes have a stronger calling than what is on the surface and Yi at times answers the deeper issue that is troubling you.

Wilhelm translates the Judgement of hex 8

HOLDING TOGETHER brings good fortune.
Inquire of the oracle once again
Whether you possess sublimity, constancy, and perseverance;
Then there is no blame.

Those who are uncertain gradually join.
Whoever come too late
Meets with misfortune.

And advice to the superior man is

Thus the kings of antiquity
Bestowed the different states as fiefs
And cultivated friendly relations
With the feudal lords.

So Hex 8 holds advice for you that says you can enquire of the oracle time after time. There is no fault in that whatever your reasons or in whatever way you chose to approach the oracle. "Those who are uncertain gradually join" however, if you leave the prevarication for too long then you are met with misfortune - you miss the boat!!
The noble one is best advised to understand the different factions in his state, and to focus on cultivating 'friendly relations' with the leader. The tenants of a fief are not the leaders that need to be followed or befriended.

Currently your situation is unchanging and has a stability to it. Misfortune only really comes about at 8.6 where correct ways of leadership have not been properly embraced.

Your 'hidden message' is answered in 'hidden hexagram' Hex 23. This nuclear hexagram of Hex 8 can be seen as what is driving the situation (from underneath and inside) around your query and unrest. In Hex 23 the forces of disintegration are at hand, slowly dismantling the old order of things.

In the end this divination may be a reply about computer games.....or it may not be. It is your divination and so it is your responsibility to make appropriate meaning for you.

Good Luck

 

[IrfanK]

Hi Yarrowstalk
I was belatedly drawn to this post mostly because of the other posts you have made about needing to prove the I Ching works and building up trust in your own ability to read. You certainly have posed the question around your playing computer games however hidden away inside you has been this desire to 'really look for ways to test the yi jing'. What lies underneath when we ask a question can sometimes have a stronger calling than what is on the surface and Yi at times answers the deeper issue that is troubling you.

Wilhelm translates the Judgement of hex 8

And advice to the superior man is


So Hex 8 holds advice for you that says you can enquire of the oracle time after time. There is no fault in that whatever your reasons or in whatever way you chose to approach the oracle. "Those who are uncertain gradually join" however, if you leave the prevarication for too long then you are met with misfortune - you miss the boat!!
The noble one is best advised to understand the different factions in his state, and to focus on cultivating 'friendly relations' with the leader. The tenants of a fief is not the leaders that need to be followed or befriended.

Currently your situation is unchanging and has a stability to it. Misfortune only really comes about at 8.6 where correct ways of leadership have not been properly embraced.

Your 'hidden message' is answered in 'hidden hexagram' Hex 23. This nuclear hexagram of Hex 8 can be seen as what is driving the situation (from underneath and inside) around your query and unrest. In Hex 23 the forces of disintegration are at hand, slowly dismantling the old order of things.

In the end this divination may be a reply about computer games.....or it may not be. It is your divination and so it is your responsibility to make appropriate meaning for you.

Good Luck

Yes! This idea of "testing" the Yijing to "prove" that it works seems doomed to me. If you start with that intention in mind, then the Yijing is quite likely to respond to that intention as your question. It knows you aren't really asking about computer games, you're asking for reassurance, evidence, that it works. I made a joke the other day about asking the Yi what you had for breakfast, and you didn't respond well. Well, if you ask it what's in the glass in front of you to test it, it's not necessarily going to give you Water above Water. It's much more likely to give advice about how to use the Yi so that you learn to trust it -- such as through regular use over an extended period, asking questions that are genuinely meaningful to you.

 

[Yarrowstalk]

however, if you leave the prevarication for too long then you are met with misfortune - you miss the boat!!

1 . @my_key What do you mean by that ?

i googled prevarication "Prevarication is when someone tells a lie, especially in a sneaky way. A child might use prevarication to avoid telling the whole truth about how the kitchen window got broken."

what you mean by that - that i should lie to the yi jing ? cause if i dont lie than i will be met with misfortunes ?

Misfortune only really comes about at 8.6 where correct ways of leadership have not been properly embraced.

going by your interpertation of the reply (which makes a lot of sense ,even though bothering a bit - cause i asked since than some improtant questions - but it seems for months i will still have the want to strengthen my trust in the yi jing my results and my interpertations) : what are the "correct ways of leadership" in this context ?

cause it seems by what you wrote before there is no incorrect ways to go about this and you can ask the yijing whatever and whenever and however

** also is there a way to do more than one space in this forum ?

 

[my_key]

Hi Yarrowstalk
1) You already appear to have supplied the answer by looking up the definition of 'prevarication'.
Rewording my sentence - "If you choose to aviod telling the whole truth for too long then you are met with misfortune - you miss the boat!!"
2) Correct ways of leadership? Things like being respectful, truthful, humble, honest, open, devout, trusting etc - the qualities demonstrated by the noble one.

At any moment in time you choose to lead in a direction that that you think is right for that time and that situation. Because you have chosen to lead in that way it is not an incorrect way, it cannot be wrong for you.

You are right when you say that you can ask the Yijing whatever and whenever and however you choose.

Spend time with the messages that have been given to you in all your threads by others in the forum. There are pointers to 'correct leadership' in all of then. I will pull back now and let you spend the valuable time you need to proove to yourself if the Yijing is a meaningful tool for you. Not everyone finds it to be so.

Good Luck

 

[Yarrowstalk]

Thanks @my_key - i also start to feel more trust about the yi jing already - but far from over it seems - i asked it though some questions that are not mainly about testing it but mainly for the answer

But i understand your saying i can also ask questions that are directly about testing the yi jing only - and that should be fine ?

when i first started i wanted to re read a reading i got and i asked the yi jing online (not with yarrow) something like "what was the hexgram i got before" or "what i got when i asked about X" ..... and as a result i got hexagram 4 - which is very clear - and ironically was the most proof its "working" i got
- BUT it got me worried maybe im pushing it and too rude and if i ask again some kind of rude question it will stop replying to me like i understood from hexagram 4

but i did ask him after some time again maybe one or two "rude" (aka sneaky) questions like that - so me wonder connected to what you wrote above i can ask him whatver - including this ones ? is there a point like i understand from hex 4 that the YiJing gets offended and dosnt want to reply seriously any more ?