EU and refugees

[diamanda]

Background: The European Union has not been doing well in recent years. Most of its countries-members are almost destroyed economically because of bank failures and austerity. In all those destroyed countries, the poverty-stricken people hear constant propaganda about what a good ‘family’ the EU is, how we should all fight to remain in united Europe, as it has so many ‘benefits’.

And yet, since hundreds of thousands of refugees, mainly Syrians, started coming to Europe, the EU has proved to be totally unable to deal with them. There are talks after talks, meetings which end in nothing, for months. In the meantime, those people, most of who fled wars to save themselves, are waiting in the cold and mud at dirty camps.

I’ve read quite a few analyses of how the EU seems to be falling apart and showing how inadequate it is. Not only there seem to be no higher ideals there, but also its primary purpose (an economic union) also shows clear failure. And since the refugees issue is far from solved, and the scenario far from played yet, I asked the following question:

What will be the effect of the refugees issue on the unity of EU?
(meaning, will it break it apart, or…?)
1.2.3.5>21
(hidden lines: 13.5 and 25.5)

Meet dragon in field. Advantage to meet great man.
Noble person is very active all day long, and fearful in the night.
Dragon flies in sky. Advantage to meet great man.
And 21… biting, law, prison, justice.

I can’t figure out who the dragon is.
There aren't any dragons on any European flag.
I've had a look at european symbology, and the only type of dragon that is 'still going' is the Saint George and the Dragon type. Which, by the way, is on the coat of arms of Moscow (the only capital in Europe, but not in EU, which uses this symbol). But that might be a bit far-fetched. Another meaning for this character is "imperial", so perhaps it symbolises the UK..?

Dragon: Primitive pictograph 龙龍. A snake and a chisel 辛 indicating indicating it can kill. Probably originally a cobra. Meaning dragon.
a dragon / of the emperor / imperial / a huge extinct reptile

This same dragon who appears/meets in the field, in 1.1, later on in 1.5 flies in the sky.
I think that these two lines show many high level meetings between leaders.
And I think that 21 shows that as a result the EU will close all borders and impose stricter laws to all its members.
OR, (I'm 50/50 here), the overall answer says that there will be soooo many meetings of leaders, that in the end the whole issue will 'bite' the EU on the backside or worse.

Any more ideas? Especially on who the dragon is?

 

[Trojina]

I don't think you'd need to look for actual dragons on flags but there is the Welsh flag here that has a dragon even though Wales is still part of UK

https://www.google.com/search?q=wel...oKHUwwBDkQsAQIGw#tbm=isch&q=welsh+flag+flying

I don't think the dragon is Wales or any country. It's just the Creative in the situation

 

[diamanda]

Yes I know the Welsh flag, but I don't think that Wales has anything at all to do with this issue, since it's not an independent country. St George and the Dragon are also in the flags or coats of arms of various smaller European towns, who would also have nothing to do with this issue. Except if Wales steps forward and agrees to accept all refugees en masse

Could you elaborate on how "meeting/appearing Creative", and "Creative flying", would apply in this question?

 

[Trojina]

I don't know how it would apply in this question I'm afraid, mysteriously I imagine, somewhat like divine intervention intervenes that's all I see here. I cannot generally connect with political questions, I feel answers address the consciousness of the one who asks.

I hope the refugee situation does get some divine intervention that's for sure. With this answer I'd think there was bigger things going on than politicians and politics. We humans aren't in control of everything and this is a fantastic answer for a highly intelligent solution. Lines 2 and 5 the arrival of great and intelligent energy who cuts through the crap like it was candyfloss (21) I can't think who that would be can you ?

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hi diamanda


No, the EU won't break apart because of the refugees issue. Hexagram 1 is a total conflict one; when asking yes/no questions a total conflict hexagram means NO.

The refugees issue is an obstacle for EU's unity (hex 21) for sure; in order to overcome the obstacle, the EU needs a renewal (hex1). The renewal would depend on the EU's leadership (the dragon is a metaphor for leadeship). It seems like the whole refugee issue would open the door for a new leadership in the EU: first it will be like a young not-very-powerful force (line 2) then it will be gaining influence (line3) until it can reach the decisive place (line 5).

Who this leader could be? Well, that's another question

Best wishes

 

[diamanda]

Lines 2 and 5 the arrival of great and intelligent energy who cuts through the crap like it was candyfloss (21) I can't think who that would be can you ?

I'm an atheist and thus I don't believe in divine intervention/energy.
However I love the idea (and your wording) of "great energy cutting through crap like candyfloss".
The situation certaily needs something like that.

 

[diamanda]

Very interesting, thanks Sixth Relative!
Yes it sounds very plausible that the dragon symbolises a leader among 'great men'.
It would be good to have new leadership in the EU. The existing one is not doing that well.

 

[Tim K]

.2 For me the dragon is obviously the Syrian refugees, they are in the open fields indeed.
Here we are, help us!
also .2 leads to 13 Fellowship (Again talking about union in the open/plain)

.3 Deciding, talking, committees, summits, diplomacy etc.

.5 Solution has been found

21 - Define(create - h1) clear laws for this type of situation.

All in all, the effect of refugees on EU's wholeness will be deliberation and new laws in the end.
A bone to chew on.

 

[diamanda]

Ashteroid, yes, I also thought that 'dragon' in field might be the refugees.
However I couldn't tally it up with the same dragon flying.

Perhaps the solution will involve flights (to a peaceful Syria - we can only hope...).
Very promising to hear that you do see a solution, and also clear laws.

 

[Tohpol]

The question was asked from the point of view of the effect on the notion of EU unity from the refugee crisis. The Yi answered purely in in terms of this effect and therefore the responses and directives which might eventuate, not whether the notion of this kind of European integration or dis-integration (which is only economic) was a good or bad thing for Europe respectively. That's important to keep in mind.

What will be the effect of the refugees issue on the unity of EU? (meaning, will it break it apart, or…?)

1.2.3.5>21

H.1 is Creative POWER.

Line 1: Sleeping dragon power, concealed forces.
Line 3: Awakened dragon power at a transition; the fulcrum point where choices are made and plans put into action. To prevent further chaos certain pre-packaged solutions will be provided.
Line 5: The point at which the "dragon flies" and power is released through these "solutions."

There are so many strategic and ideological influences for the cause and effect of the migration crisis, not least the US-NATO wars that partially created such a mess. But to keep it simple, the above lines may indicate not a break up of unity as it stands now, but a change in how such an economic union manifests with mass migration representing one of the causes of this transition point. (ethno-engineering for geo-strategic ends is not new).

At the moment, the European Union is a capitalist convenience, a purely economic super-structure designed for a fraudulent and corrupt financial architecture to benefit the few and to entrench statism and its bureaucratic mechanisms. What H.1 may indicate, is that far from the EU breaking up (at least, in the short-term) the refugee crisis will be used as an excuse to restrict, lock-down and consolidate power, something we are already seeing in many European countries. When you combine this with the threat of terrorism and the erosion of civil liberties then the influx of refugees in times of economic disparity, this can be enough to unleash the collective anger and hatred of "the other." Once again, en masse, fear and uncertainly are useful when you want to enact draconian legislation under the euphemism of "reform". This was pretty much the situation in Germany's Weimar Republic and various nations in pre-War Europe and is remarkably similar to the situation we have now, except we are faced with a global phenomenon.

The background to all this is H.21 which is about determination, punishment and penalty. The dragon fire "bites through" using the enforcement of law. Rules and regulations will be enacted to deal with the refugees, yet at what cost? And this is the crux of the matter: perhaps it will serve to centralise and consolidate power still further and maintain a particular form of "unity" which has little to do with the real social and moral unity that European people instinctively share, outside that is, the ineptitude, ignorance and pathological greed of their governments.

 

[diamanda]

Topal, thanks for your input.
I totally agree with your take on this matter, and I know US/EU are co-responsible for the Syria war.

When I said "unity of EU", I did not mean real social and moral unity, I meant official unity.
And sadly 21 does point to harshness, painful laws - one translation is even 'prison'.
Unfortunately, real social and moral unity is not possible in this monster that the EU is.

The fear (1.3) cultivated in the EU, against the refugees, is definitely a weapon against civil rights.
I wonder if the term "draconian" that you used could have something to do with the "dragon" (same root).
It does sound like the EU will remain as it is and keep its power for now.

PS - the naming system with dots only was confusing to the eye - I didn't have line 1.
1.2.3.5>21 = Hex1, lines 2,3,5 - then again, it doesn't change the interpretation greatly.

 

[mirian]

Just a few thoughts. We can only assume that the Yi is neither pro nor anti the EU, so purely from the point of the view of the question the answer is the refugee crisis will make the EU stronger. It is not into consideration that the EU is an esclerotic, bureaucratic, corrupt entity with no interest of the public at heart, either refugees or the native population. The reading strikes me as looking well into the future to say whatever is going to make this institution more powerful and stronger is still not visible, not detectable, similar to an incubation process. Whatever the dragon is: a new way of managing things, a new leadership ? But whatever this powerful force is the embryo is already there, to give birth later in the future.

 

[Tohpol]

We can only assume that the Yi is neither pro nor anti the EU, so purely from the point of the view of the question the answer is the refugee crisis will make the EU stronger. It is not into consideration that the EU is an esclerotic, bureaucratic, corrupt entity with no interest of the public at heart, either refugees or the native population. The reading strikes me as looking well into the future to say whatever is going to make this institution more powerful and stronger is still not visible, not detectable, similar to an incubation process. Whatever the dragon is: a new way of managing things, a new leadership ? But whatever this powerful force is the embryo is already there, to give birth later in the future.

Exactly right Mirian. That was really the point I was making in the first few sentences of my post but you've said it far more eloquently. The Yi is absolutely objective about these things and this is what makes the reading so interesting.

 

[diamanda]

Mirian, I also totally agree, hence the nature of the EU was not part of my question.
If one wants to find out about that, best to read related literature/articles, not ask the I Ching.
The notion of new leadership/new force sounds very plausible.

Thanks everyone, it's great to hear so many points of view for a reading on such a complicated matter.
I'll update this thread whenever something more solid happens on that front.