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Experience with hex 59: the same combination 2 times

Juliah

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Hello Friends,

I hope to learn more about the hex 59 Dispersion. Have you ever got an experience with its meaning "removing obstacles, estrangements' ? I have read practically everything on the Forum re its meaning, but I am not sure about the situation my friend faced. So let me please describe it.

Recently she asked two questions re her relationship:
1. Will I have common future with X?
2. What are X's feelings to me?

Both times she got 59.2.3 - 53.

I cannot understand if things look promising or not. Please advise.

Many thanks in advance.
 
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I forgot to mention that my friend and X are going through a period of alienation. (Perhaps, this will help to look at the situation more accurately.)
 

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The ancestral temple that brought family members together did not build itself.
takes work to unite.

What seperated them?
 
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I am afraid, I do not know what exactly.They seem to suit each other well, they coincide in opinions... Apparently, both are too perceptive to behaviour of the other, and the both are suffering.

Since we did not understand the meaning of 59 in the first cast, she asked the IC another question about it and received 2.1.6. > 27.

But the outcome is not clear to me yet.
 

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Hexagram 59.2 and 59.3

九二爻变:平。婚事难成。处在涣散的状态中,需要寻找机会脱离险境。在婚姻生活中,应该尽量避免精力过于分散的状态。

六三爻变:平。婚事难成。身体上的涣散,也就是体力不足,但是精神比较强大,所以不会发生令人悔恨的事。

In English, this means the relationship is over. This will not result in a marriage.

Hexagram 59
涣卦婚姻:感情不是全部,不要耽误了事业

涣卦象征着涣散、分散。爱情或婚姻都是以物质为基础的,没有物质基础的感情是无本之木、无源之水,所以不能让感情耽误了事业。

This means that the foundation of a relationship is built on materialistic basis and career stability. Without both, it will not work. Earning a living comes first.

Hexagram 53 line 3 implications:
九三爻变:凶。婚事不成。鸿雁飞起来,落到陆地上。丈夫外出不回来,妻子不能生育,十分凶险。
This will not result in marriage.

神煞:天乙—卯巳 福星—辰 日禄—子 羊刃—亥 驿马—亥 桃花—午 华盖—丑
干支:甲午年 壬申月 癸酉日 乙卯时
旬空:辰巳  戌亥  戌亥  子丑

六神  伏神    离宫:风水涣          艮宫:风山渐(归魂)下艮上巽
         【本 卦】           【变 卦】
白虎       ▅▅▅▅▅ 父母辛卯木     ▅▅▅▅▅ 父母辛卯木 应
滕蛇       ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟辛巳火 世   ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟辛巳火  
勾陈 妻财己酉金 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙辛未土     ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙辛未土  
朱雀 官鬼己亥水 ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊午火  ×→  ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财丙申金 世
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙戊辰土 应○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟丙午火  
玄武       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊寅木     ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙丙辰土  
Hex 53: upper trigram is wood, lower hexagram is earth
Wood suppress earth. It takes a long time to make this relationship work.
Hex 53: line 6
relationship line is hollow under the house of spouse.
Hex 59: line 1
relationship line is hollow under the house of marriage.
Hex 59: officer line does not show. Man has no interest.
It is a done deal relationship for now.

59.2 and 59.5: both are yang lines. The two do not agree on issues.
59.2 change line: he thinks that she is shopping for another guy (further confirmation: equivalent of reading hex 53 to Tarot card Queens of wands).
59.3 change line: she is setting herself free.
59: 3 yang line and 3 yin line - triangle relationship
59.3 yin to yang. One party is seeing someone else or in the process of trying to do so.

As a friend, if the querent is not you, why bother to know.
 
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Wonderful analysis which sounds disappointing... Many thanks.
 

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...My friend who has also been reading the thread feels devastated. I kindly ask you to let me write some questions on her behalf (she is not going to argue with the expert, just wants to clarify some points to understand the moment better).

1. The relationship is far from being built on material interests (I can confirm this, they have no difficulties with earning).
2. 'The two do not agree on issues'. Strange, as usually their opinions on issues coincide.
3. The woman is not setting free, unfortunately. She is aspiring to unity. (And she has no other guy, I know it for sure :) )

I am personally looking forward to your comments, just for calming her down :)
Thank you in advance!
 
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There is no need at all for your friend to be devastated. Why on earth would she allow herself to be devastated by someone posting some formulas on a website. That is not her future. If you like that style of interpretation then use it but be aware it is just one persons ideas about the answer. That is all any one's answer here is. Please counsel your friend to take her power back and not believe all that she is told about her future on an internet forum !

Now I've said that I may as well try to give my view



Recently she asked two questions re her relationship:
1. Will I have common future with X?
2. What are X's feelings to me?

Both times she got 59.2.3 - 53.

It is interesting she got the same answer twice ! Hexagram 53 shows a very slow ordered pace of developments between them. So the backdrop to the question shows I think there is steady development and it's a good idea not to try to rush things. 53 shows a traditional courtship, the image being of geese who mate for life. Overall my impression is someone needs to let go of holding on so hard to certain attitudes of how this should be. 59 is about dispersing anything that has become inflexible. Overall the answer seems to speak of the needs to let go fixed ideas about the development of this.

There's a few possibilities that come to mind and I'm not sure which, if any, is true so I'll offer what I have.

It might be he wants to court her properly at his pace but she wants him to be much more demonstrative now ?

OR

It might be the opposite and he is being so formal she would like him to loosen up a little.


So I see this as a description of how the relationship looks right now. There is nothing here about no relationship being possible at all IMO.

Also remember things change a lot in relationships. This may just be giving a snapshot of now but as you got it twice it's worth thinking about.


Since we did not understand the meaning of 59 in the first cast, she asked the IC another question about it and received 2.1.6. > 27.

But the outcome is not clear to me yet.
Well what question ? I can't answer without knowing the question. I think you first answers are ones to stick with and think about.

To me 2.1.6>27 looks a bit like someone trying to leave all their options open when actually they need to nourish themselves on what is there in front of them.


I will post a link to the relationship question sticky too for you as I don't think you should have the idea that when you get an answer there is just one way to see the answer.


For practical purposes I would wonder if what has gone wrong here is someone not sticking to the protocol of courtship...or sticking to it too much. My gut feeling on this, which may be totally wrong but anyway, is that he might have preferred to court her his way. That perhaps she needed to fall in with his ideas about how to court a woman ? For some reason I am seeing the 53 part as his stance and the 59 as her, that's why I am thinking it is she who needs to let of go of ideas of how things progress. But you see there I'm using my way which is to give you my gut feeling I get from the readings. But others will approach it differently.

Interpreting is not a science, it is like understanding a poem. That is why your friend must not be devastated at all since all views here are just that, views, not pronouncements from God ;)
 

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Oh and I am linking to thread on how the CC works too as it may help in understanding this is not a panel of experts here to tell you what will happen. None of us actually know. We just share our thoughts but your thoughts about your readings are always the most important however new you are. The reason for this is that intuition about an answer is something that can come with your very first answer. That's not something anyone teaches you. You might just read the line and understand something. So whatever anyone here says your own feelings about the answer is most important


http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?8285-How-the-I-Ching-Community-works
 

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Also to get more views from others it might help to know what the nature of the estrangement is. If you can give a slightly fuller picture it helps people get a better grasp on the answer. For example I have it in my head that he is quite a formal reserved man....that is what my mind has conjured up and I'm going with that as I have no other information. So I've got this idea about this formal man wanting to proceed in a particular way...

.......and I could have imagined it all
 

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With two questions getting the same reading, perhaps the oracle is saying both parties find themselves in the same situation. There is "alienation" from each other, within a relationship that has possibilities for growth.

Hexagram 59 "Dispersion" talks about overcoming alienation from others by looking to some higher value than one's own egoistic concerns. I think it's possible to see within hex 53 - "Gradual Progress" - a higher value that each could look to as being more important than the doubts and judgements they have towards each other (and themselves.) Wilhelm says the lines in 53 concern the development of "conjugal fidelity" - the wild goose being a symbol of that principal.

Possibly, the relationship is, - or could be -, "firmly rooted" like the image - tree on a mountain - of 53. Gradual progress in the tree's growth comes from inner development of one's own personality - gentleness, adaptability, perseverence; not through direct outward influence. And - not from being overly sensitive to every little sign or cue you think you see in your partner's words or behaviour.

So one way of seeing these readings would be: - The possibility of riding through the waves and uncertainty of 59 "Dispersion" is there. It can be furthered through concentrating on the higher principal of "fidelity" -- not just being sexually "faithfull", but believing in the relationship as a whole, and thereby overcoming the egoism of self-doubt, as well as doubts / judgements about the partner. This would, in turn, be part of the self-development spoken of in 53.
 

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Dear Trojina, dear Khepri, thanks a lot for your insights. They are very, very helpful.

Trojina, it seems to me that you have hit the point. The links will also be very helpful for her.

As to 2.1.6 > 27, it was the answer given to the question about the meaning of 59 in the first cast.

A few hours ago I had a talk with my friend. Provisional diagnosis - too hasty, too impatient. She judges things based on what she can see, what is visible. Action is a sign of changes for her. She can hardly accept that development requires time, and a man's love develops much more slowly than a woman's one (I mean love, a heart feeling, not a sexual desire). And we also cannot disregard the fact that often when a man falls in love he starts refusing it in a paradoxical way; this caused by his feeling that he starts losing firm ground, he starts changing what fears him.

Overall, I suppose she understood me :)
It needs no saying that I have told about it with her assent.
 

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