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Hello.:bows:
I still haven`t send things to the man I had that romantic connection with.
I was stuck, hoped the energy will change around this, but I have to make it change, Yi advised to speak out and to get myself out of the emotional abyss last I asked. So I have forced myself to write a note, will put everything together and not sure what can be expected, I just hope to feel better about it finally.
Asked:What will happen after I send it all? 14.3,5,6 into 58

Surprisingly auspicious at the first glance, so if someone could share better insight, thanx.
 

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I think this readings reflects the truth and sincerity in your letter, making it a beneficial act of communication for the both of you.
 
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Answers are usually very personal.. What do you think each hexagram and line means that you received? That might help us understand the more personal aspects of it... Like, what do you think hexagram 14 means to your situation?
 

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seems you will be prospered in some way and
made joyful so go ahead as planned
 

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line 6 : "From heaven's help comes this blessing."
Your letter must be sincere, so I would not worry a bit! Best wishes. :)
 

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I am always mindful when there are feelings in play because I know that`s dangerous and hurtful stuff to mess with as I resent being messed with my own. So there is a lot of sincerity, I am being selfish perhaps, "putting it all out" unsolicited.
So am not sure... I went through this very painful process and I think the other side could not care less, since I got only the silence back (not that I expected anything different from that kind of a temper).
So I decided to send everything I have, delete the number and thus if I never hear from him again, there will be nothing to remind me, or at least, the little possible.
There is just too many things ... left unsaid and for the life of me, I cannot understand that kind of a behavior.
 
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Answers are usually very personal.. What do you think each hexagram and line means that you received? That might help us understand the more personal aspects of it... Like, what do you think hexagram 14 means to your situation?
I hate to speculate here...hex 14 C. Anthony says is about gaining the right understanding of the situation that allows us to take the right attitude and a renewal of connections in their own good time. Here I would say, its about this deep need to unload things of my chest and get some sort of a validation.
As for lines... 3rd line I think speaks of my gesture, and others about receiving it but seen that the last line could mean that gesture could get into his head, give him some airs...
in 5th, there is also a warning, and I think I get it...
As for hex 58, I remember getting it for a friend I really like to talk to and for me it is about exchange...but really :brickwall:
 
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Here I would say, its about this deep need to unload things of my chest and get some sort of a validation.
As for lines... 3rd line I think speaks of my gesture, and others about receiving it but seen that the last line could mean that gesture could get into his head, give him some airs...
in 5th, there is also a warning, and I think I get it...
As for hex 58, I remember getting it for a friend I really like to talk to and for me it is about exchange...but really :brickwall:
To figure out the answer to a reading, it requires work. What you put into it is what you get out. See, I never would have in a million years thought the reading was about this. This is great. It's wonderful to get advice from others, but we cannot forget the way that the Yijing speaks to us individually and personally. I think it might be highly beneficial to work with the reading starting at this point.

Have you formulated any ideas about how the 'relating hexagram' fits into your readings in general?
Relating Hexagram is the 58 in this reading.
 

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See, I never would have in a million years thought the reading was about this.
Have you formulated any ideas about how the 'relating hexagram' fits into your readings in general?
Relating Hexagram is the 58 in this reading.
Really?:)
But lines are not that mysterious:
Nine in the third place means:

A prince offers it to the Son of Heaven.
A petty man cannot do this.

A magnanimous, liberal-minded man should not regard what he possesses as his exclusive personal property , but should place it at the disposal of the ruler or of the people at large. In so doing, he takes the right attitude toward his possession, which as private property can never endure. A petty man is incapable of this. He is harmed by great possessions, because instead of sacrificing them, he would keep them for himself.
Here I am offering something and it is a sign of a good will (at least I think it is about me, kinda feels Yi is paying me a little compliment :blush:)

Six in the fifth place means:

He whose truth is accessible, yet dignified,
Has good fortune.

The situation is very favorable. People are being won not by coercion but by unaffected sincerity, so that they are attached to us in sincerity and truth. However, benevolence alone is not sufficient at the time of POSSESSION IN GREAT MEASURE. For insolence might begin to spread. Insolence must be kept in bounds by dignity; then good fortune is assured.

Uncleared repressed feelings (on my side)

I red about the remark for line 6 in Memorizing threads
and I did write that 58 for me so far represented exchange but also maybe leveled out communication.

Phew, I am not used to this deep explanatory writing...I am afraid, I think too much just goes without saying...:lalala:
 
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To me the lines are wonderfully mysterious.. Each and every line can be talking about all of the possibilities that there are, and when applied to a specific situation, the mystery is unveiled through an interpersonal detective work and 'puzzle putting together' type voyage. A flashlight is needed.
 

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Feel free... if I was that good, would I ask for a second opinion? I know way too little to take out of each hex and line as it offers to an experienced divinator....not to mention of the outcome itself.
But I red Sherlock Holmes religiously as a kid.:p
 

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I hate to speculate here...hex 14 C. Anthony says is about gaining the right understanding of the situation that allows us to take the right attitude and a renewal of connections in their own good time. Here I would say, its about this deep need to unload things of my chest and get some sort of a validation.
As for lines... 3rd line I think speaks of my gesture, and others about receiving it but seen that the last line could mean that gesture could get into his head, give him some airs...
in 5th, there is also a warning, and I think I get it...
As for hex 58, I remember getting it for a friend I really like to talk to and for me it is about exchange...but really :brickwall:
Just curious about line 6---interesting that you view the line as potentially negative. I would assume from various versions which say things about heavens blessing, he is blessed by heaven, and nothing that does not further, one has the great good fortune to get what one needs, etc., that it would mean your letter would be wonderfully received. But yes, I can see your point: He might feel blessed, perhaps overly so. Interesting that you can see the not so great aspect, and I sometimes have even found that a great line can even imply its opposite. In any case, so long as you are sincere, I do not see anything bad coming from this communication.
 

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I am always mindful when there are feelings in play because I know that`s dangerous and hurtful stuff to mess with as I resent being messed with my own. So there is a lot of sincerity, I am being selfish perhaps, "putting it all out" unsolicited.
So am not sure... I went through this very painful process and I think the other side could not care less, since I got only the silence back (not that I expected anything different from that kind of a temper).
So I decided to send everything I have, delete the number and thus if I never hear from him again, there will be nothing to remind me, or at least, the little possible.
There is just too many things ... left unsaid and for the life of me, I cannot understand that kind of a behavior.
I guess I have not viewed your other threads or posts about this. So do you mean silence with emailing, or in person, or what? And do you mean delete the number, meaning all of them ? or his phone number?

I think you sound respectful, in that you are aware of how voicing feelings can be tricky. I am sometimes too honest, too forthright, and am surprised that it has not pleased, but bothered someone----but was trying to figure out the context, Just a bit confused, but I agree, why leave things unsaid? and if he gives you the silent treatment, I would really think less of him for it. :mad:
 

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Just curious about line 6---interesting that you view the line as potentially negative. I would assume from various versions which say things about heavens blessing, he is blessed by heaven, and nothing that does not further, one has the great good fortune to get what one needs, etc., that it would mean your letter would be wonderfully received. But yes, I can see your point: He might feel blessed, perhaps overly so. Interesting that you can see the not so great aspect, and I sometimes have even found that a great line can even imply its opposite. In any case, so long as you are sincere, I do not see anything bad coming from this communication.
Too tired I guess, can`t retrieve it now...but maybe it can be taken that way since it is the last line form Possession in Great Measure into Modesty which would be about leveling things down to much more realistic measure.
Also, hex 14 can be about completion, like a harvest (as on the IC card).
 

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Was a bit much online here lately, and poking around my profile details, came to mind to ask which hex describes me the best (probably at present as all is a change) and got 56.1 so...:eek:
Just want to thank you all who contributed here as you empowered me with your good vibes to make a move after so much struggling with this, as procrastination is a word of the year here with me.:hugs:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?p=159078&posted=1#post159078
 

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Was a bit much online here lately, and poking around my profile details, came to mind to ask which hex describes me the best (probably at present as all is a change) and got 56.1 so...:eek:
Just want to thank you all who contributed here as you empowered me with your good vibes to make a move after so much struggling with this, as procrastination is a word of the year here with me.:hugs:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?p=159078&posted=1#post159078
You're not leaving, are you????:confused:
 

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The message of 56.1 goes a bit deeper than this site but then again, it speaks in overall.
I don`t plan to leave this site because I intend to learn more of the I Ching in the future.
Just wanted to thank for the answers here, I needed the support.
Just asked: What is a downside of doing/sending this? 22.4 into 30
I don`t know if the depiction of the line ("mating game" according to Bradford) is the answered downside in this type of a question.
 

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The message of 56.1 goes a bit deeper than this site but then again, it speaks in overall.
I don`t plan to leave this site because I intend to learn more of the I Ching in the future.
Just wanted to thank for the answers here, I needed the support.
Just asked: What is a downside of doing/sending this? 22.4 into 30
I don`t know if the depiction of the line ("mating game" according to Bradford) is the answered downside in this type of a question.
I would take the line as the reply to the question. Also, the background of 22: One uses ornament, but cannot decide controversial matters this way---facade cannot take the lead.
Wilhelm says:

Grace or simplicity? A white horse comes as if on wings
He is not a robber, he will woo at the right time


The Emotional I ching has a very odd but poignant commentary on line 4 of H22:

In the autumn of one's life comes spiritual strength, and the understanding that intimate relationships can be built without the need of facades.
H30 is a fire, rising twice, clarity, lucidity, all seeing...

I think the only down side to sending is if the note is just a facade, If it is true and simple, I do not think there is a down side. Even if the reaction is bad, if you were simple and sincere, it would be his problem.
 

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Read Legge`s take on this... and as autumn of my life approaches, I take a long sigh....
 

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I asked the I Ching, what is the downside of sending someone a note declaring your true feelings, once and for all?

The present is embodied in Hexagram 61 - Chung Fu (Inner Truth): Inner truth moves even pigs and fish, and leads to good fortune. There will be advantage in crossing the great stream. There will be advantage in being firm and correct.

The fourth line, divided, shows its subject like the moon nearly full, and like a horse drawing a chariot whose fellow disappears. There will be no error.

The fifth line, undivided, shows its subject perfectly sincere, and linking others to him in closest union. There will be no error.


The situation is shifting, but neither Yin (the passive feminine force) nor Yang (the active masculine force) is gaining ground.

The future is embodied in Hexagram 38 - K'uei (Opposition): Notwithstanding the presence of opposition, in small matters there will still be success.
 

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Very kind of you/Yi ... :p
Of course, I would say that it is not wrong thing to do, in general, as long as it is said in a tactful way.
But it is dangerous to get ahead of things, entertaining thoughts that are far from present reality.
And I speak from experience.
 
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Well, this got me thinking... rosy thoughts I am not suppose to entertain, as I said above.
How big those expectations are? 16 unchanged...there we go
What is realistic to expect this action will produce in us relating? 52.3,4,6>16
Now we are cooking...but not sure what now...tricky lines for 5 am I think suggesting stillness of desire, stillness of heart and then humbly going where we want to go....?
Perhaps it is a message for me to cool down (hex.16 two times)...I don`t really know....
 

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16 is one of those hexagrams, isn't it? It can be about our own impressions but also about making plans, figuring out what the moment asks for, or as one of favored ways to see it is, about 'reading the signs' . . Going back to your letter: you communicated some big things, put them out there; in a sense that' s part of realizing the great significance they have on you and sharing them -it's not any guarantee though that the person receiving them will want to hear about them or will be willing to talk/share more . . If that was my reading, I'd see 52 as advice to stay on solid ground about it. You might wanna be prepared to respond if the right time and place becomes clear (16 is also about readiness ) but the advice is about keeping the heart calm and still till then - maybe sleep on it, dreams can be significant with 52 and 16
 

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Thank you - nice to read other interpretations...
for me hex 16 was about being hm, agitated, last I got it unchanged was about the same person as I was feeling unsettled about some things...:mischief:
Soaring is a good way to describe hex 16, I think, when we are in the state of well, overly optimistic kind and the imagination soars...landing is never pleasant afterwards, so this is not a very happy hex for me, rather a warning, works well for my pessimistic, depressive period that I am having..now you give a new side by saying it can be about readiness which collides well with the mountain, and line 6..
But now it looks to me that hex 52 is about finding peace, more then hex 11...composing oneself..so I like your take on this one.
As for dreams, interesting, was told here that my "third eye could be SOARING":eek:... and I had a dream just the other night, too..contradictory statements from him and my best friend:confused:
 
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D are you hoping to get back with this man ?
I have been reading and am missing all the history.

Did he leave you - or did you tell him to go. In any
event Yi may well resonate our ambivalemce.

I think knowing what you want and consulting Yi
about what you should be doing may simplify it.

If you dont want him leave his kit at the police station
and he has a week to collect - somehow I think its more complex.....
 

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Positive casting quite surprised me, don`t want to get disappointed more then I already am. PMed you.
 

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Hexagram 58: Enjoy this honey moon period. The relationship is full of fun and laughter. However, there is two females in the picture. You are only one of the two. Things may change mid-way. If this is a second marriage, then OK.
Hexgram 58 is one of the 8 pure hexagrams, The upper trigram (line 4-6) and lower trigram (line 1-3) are identical. For marriage related question, normally the relationship will not reach a long term and fruitful conclusion. One party will have the leave this triangle.

Two women contending for the same man - quarrels and fights. Success is not easy. Remarriages are fortunate. Think before you act if there is plan for a sexual relationship. There are two ladies and one man.

I did not look at the six line theory for this analysis. 3 Change lines in hexagram 14 reflects an unstable condition right from the start.
 

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