Frustrated with reading about "Karma"

[foxx777]

On earth, it is resistance that promotes progress. One can still experience the godhead as benevolent through trials of injustice.

If we look at the vastness of the universe carefully we witness a universe full of adversity, violent explosions, unsurvivable heat and cold, obstacles, unfriendly to any semblance of life at all. Yet life finds a way. I think the long term karmic affect acts likewise. It is within injustice that we develop our own foundations of right and wrong. If life was easy we'd become fat, lazy and weak, and probably extinct, just as any life form would.

You have given me food for thought. Thank you for that....:bows:

 

[rodaki]

hm! I always found facing my greatest fears a rather liberating thing - but some might say that's a tad masochistic . .

Lately I keep marveling at how much people want to avoid making peace with suffering - everything needs to be good, positive, agreeable according to our views, needs, wants. Yet methinks that the more we run away from suffering, the more we measure our lives according to that very thing we are trying to escape . .
Often suffering is an attribute of the mind: we suffer because the world does not agree to our ideas for it; yet suffering can force us to go deeper into the bone and marrow of what joy really is and the more we dwell on that, the more suffering becomes an irrelevant notion. Irrelevant in the sense that it might still be there, but it doesn't hurt that much, it has stopped being that threatening to our core being.
Besides, suffering has always been the crucible of the heroic element in the midst of human nature . . Odysseus almost drowned due to hubris, as he thought man superior to all; that's where the Gods appeared to remind him that while he is no god, he can be a hero . . hence his story and catharsis



I always loved this part of 'Azkaban's Prisoner': http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=zAGBb9NYAiw

 

[foxx777]

hm! I always found facing my greatest fears a rather liberating thing - but some might say that's a tad masochistic . .

Lately I keep marveling at how much people want to avoid making peace with suffering - everything needs to be good, positive, agreeable according to our views, needs, wants. Yet methinks that the more we run away from suffering, the more we measure our lives according to that very thing we are trying to escape . .
Often suffering is an attribute of the mind: we suffer because the world does not agree to our ideas for it; yet suffering can force us to go deeper into the bone and marrow of what joy really is and the more we dwell on that, the more suffering becomes an irrelevant notion. Irrelevant in the sense that it might still be there, but it doesn't hurt that much, it has stopped being that threatening to our core being.
Besides, suffering has always been the crucible of the heroic element in the midst of human nature . . Odysseus almost drowned due to hubris, as he thought man superior to all; that's where the Gods appeared to remind him that while he is no god, he can be a hero . . hence his story and catharsis



I always loved this part of 'Azkaban's Prisoner': http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=zAGBb9NYAiw

Oh, yes, do not get me wrong: It has been mainly pain and suffering in my past, which spurred me on to focus on many great pieces of literature and philosophy; also deepened my appreciation for the range of human traits, and for the depth of nature. I believe it has given me a solid core which prevents me from being sucked into trivial competition, etc. If anything, I have been a promoter of depth, profundity, suffering versus entertainment, fun, travel - to the point where people have really been annoyed with me for it. I tend to be very bored with lighthearted people, people who are trying to have "fun", and not working on any big existential task. I am a regular Hamlet, brooding, and intent on my big, deep, vast sojourn.

What I do NOT find edifying is petty suffering: Being harassed by an idiot, having one's son fed false information about you by a criminal and amoral lunatic, having monies taken, etc. etc. Some things just need to be dealt with by an attorney, I think. This sort of petty harassment actually gets in the WAY of learning from true suffering.

 

[rodaki]

I am a regular Hamlet, brooding, and intent on my big, deep, vast sojourn.

that's probably the exact opposite of what I was talking of . . but anyway, it looks like you have all your answers already

 

[hopex]

foxx777 I wonder if you would be kind enough to
remove my quote - I feel its a little personal -
i did edit it at the time but you must hace got first
press - thanks it would be good not to have it up
hugs hopex

 

[foxx777]

foxx777 I wonder if you would be kind enough to
remove my quote - I feel its a little personal -
i did edit it at the time but you must hace got first
press - thanks it would be good not to have it up
hugs hopex

Oh, OK --let me go do that. DONE!

 

[foxx777]

that's probably the exact opposite of what I was talking of . . but anyway, it looks like you have all your answers already

Yes, well each person understands and experiences suffering in their own way, and I am very much a Hamlet type by nature, and very honest about it. With legal matters concerning any infringement on my disabled adult son by my sister, yes, I very strongly have answers, and am remiss for not having taken action far sooner.
as for the rest, it is for the individual to understand and to live and grow with....thnx for the link.... :bows:

 

[answeredquestions]

Something really great about life is knowing when to fit seriousness and laughter into their deserving moments -- I'm still working on it..

Seriousness
Laughter



Also, a court of law, and the laws of karma -- separate things. This thread is becoming confusing, mixing these ideas. Perhaps start a new thread about a legal approach?

 

[foxx777]

Something really great about life is knowing when to fit seriousness and laughter into their deserving moments -- I'm still working on it..

Seriousness
Laughter



Also, a court of law, and the laws of karma -- separate things. This thread is becoming confusing, mixing these ideas. Perhaps start a new thread about a legal approach?

Excellent idea about times for seriousness and laughter, thanks! Even Hamlet has his humor and his bright moments.

Yes, I think my wondering about "karma" was actually a sign that I was too weak to address things in a real and practical way, as they need to be. This is the wonderful thing about the dialectical process: It makes you see what you were really thinking and feeling.

I do not think I need a new thread, because I have become clearer on this matter now. I need to determine which aspects are transcendent, and should be left to faith, or peace, or whatever, and which are pressing matters which I as an adult must take practical steps on. --- Nor do I need to continue on with this thread, really, as I have gotten all of your wonderful input, which I am so thankful for! --- and will take all of it well in hand as I continue to contemplate the less practical aspects!:bows:

 

[meng]

Oh, yes, do not get me wrong: It has been mainly pain and suffering in my past, which spurred me on to focus on many great pieces of literature and philosophy; also deepened my appreciation for the range of human traits, and for the depth of nature. I believe it has given me a solid core which prevents me from being sucked into trivial competition, etc. If anything, I have been a promoter of depth, profundity, suffering versus entertainment, fun, travel - to the point where people have really been annoyed with me for it. I tend to be very bored with lighthearted people, people who are trying to have "fun", and not working on any big existential task. I am a regular Hamlet, brooding, and intent on my big, deep, vast sojourn.

What I do NOT find edifying is petty suffering: Being harassed by an idiot, having one's son fed false information about you by a criminal and amoral lunatic, having monies taken, etc. etc. Some things just need to be dealt with by an attorney, I think. This sort of petty harassment actually gets in the WAY of learning from true suffering.

My idiot meter s-ploded awhile back. I decided not to fix it. Anyone can justify anything, equally, or nearly.

I'd reach the same conclusion, regarding legal matters being treated suchlike.

 

[rodaki]

With legal matters concerning any infringement on my disabled adult son by my sister, yes, I very strongly have answers, and am remiss for not having taken action far sooner.
as for the rest, it is for the individual to understand and to live and grow with....thnx for the link.... :bows:

in case this wasn't clear already, I certainly was NOT referring to your disabled adult son OR your mean elder sister. Having a disabled elder sister though, I do know they do need to step up for themselves sometimes . . yet this also is a matter of the individual and their circumstances
. . as for the rest, as I said, you seem to have your s*** in place already :bows:

 

[foxx777]

in case this wasn't clear already, I certainly was NOT referring to your disabled adult son OR your mean elder sister. Having a disabled elder sister though, I do know they do need to step up for themselves sometimes . . yet this also is a matter of the individual and their circumstances
. . as for the rest, as I said, you seem to have your s*** in place already :bows:

Yes, well the fault is mine, because instead of posing an infantile question of "if Karma will catch up with my sister?" , I ought to have been thinking for myself, as an adult, and taking proper action. This really is a weakness with me, and I probably began my I Ching study years ago in bad faith: I wanted a higher power to speak to me, while my own reason lied fallow. Of course the I Ching DOES expect you to use your reason, with its illumination. so my bad.

 

[johnny ng]

I think she may knows how to get cooperations. This is my view. Hope it helps.

 

[foxx777]

I think she may knows how to get cooperations. This is my view. Hope it helps.

Most appreciated.