Had sex in my meditation? - what's up with that?? Hex 23 and 29.

[WiteWidoW]

Ok, this is really weird, I have never had such an experience before. Tried to search online for similar experiences and all I get up are ghost stories or demon/jinn stories where these spirits have sex with women. I don't know..

I am sorry if the graphic nature of this offends anyone. And for the record, I am not mad, I am not a drug addict, although I do partake sometimes, and I almost never drink. I sleep well at night, I meditate and excercise regularly.

Anyway, I was in meditation, quite deep. Doing deep breaths into my stomach, which is how I really relax myself. This time the more I breathed in, the more I felt like it was tickling in my first chakra. This has happened before when I do deep breathing. However, this time it just kind of escalated. Then it was as if something opened my mouth, almost like a hand that squeezed the sides of my cheeks and I had the sensation of a quite deep kiss. I was quite aroused at this point, and then I felt sensations like having sex.. not the actual physical sensation of it, but that intense feeling that happens in the area from the pelvis to solar plexus, making me lose my breath and at some point I almost felt like I was going to purge. I also had a sensation of something holding my wrists.

The whole experience was extremely pleasurable, I didn't get to full orgasm but I was real close and everytime I was really relaxed it escalated again. This went on for about 3-4 rounds. Then I slipped into a deep, trance like meditation for a very long time.

Maybe my answer is coloured by the jinn and ghost stories on google. I know that sometimes deep breathing can release orgasm, and I know that also meditation can cause bliss.. but this didn't feel like bliss. This was way more intense than bliss.

I asked yijing: What happened in my meditation right now? 23 unchanging

What caused me to have these sexual feelings in my meditation? 29 unchanging

What is most important I need to know about this experience 25.4>42

My feeling of self was disintegrated (23) and then I encountered a dark force (29) that had sex with me? I dont know, it sounds weird. Besides, didn't even think that would be possible in meditation? 25.4 says I should be strong in my sense of self and not give in to this experience?

Help?

 

[meng]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/

 

[meng]

I'm thinking your Kundalini woke up.

 

[WiteWidoW]

Really? Awesome if true.

How would that relate to hex 23/29?

 

[precision grace]

And this is how all those stories of Gods mating with regular people came about. If you give birth to a half-god after this (Hercules?), we'll know it was Zeus who paid you a visit..

What happened is that you relaxed your 'shield' (23) via mediation, which meant your consciousness was freed to interact (or be interacted) with the great Everything (29)

as for 25.4 - it's a bit tricky..perhaps the advice is to remain calm and trusting in spite of this (unfortunate) experience..there are some mentions about using princinples of uninvolvement with this line and others that mention avoid feeling of blaming the victim, but I find it difficult to apply here as you seem to have enjoyed the experience rather than feel violated by it.

Wilhem has this for 25 "Innocence frees itself of mistakes, so that no misfortune of internal origin can overtake it. When misfortune comes unexpectedly, it has an external origin, therefore it will pass again."

I would suggest reading the memorising tread for 25 http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?4085-Memorizing-the-I-Ching-25-Wu-Wang-Innocence-%28-The-Unexpected%29

 

[meng]

Really? Awesome if true.

How would that relate to hex 23/29?

Your meditation stripped away whatever was blocking the subtle energy, called Kundalini, which is located at the base of your spine. By raising the Kundalini to gradually higher chakra centers, you experience stimulation of that center. But you should be very careful with this energy; though subtle it is enormously powerful. Tantra meditation should not be taken lightly. At least read up on it, including some of the potential deleterious psychological effects it can create, if not well guided nor ready.

Tantra can also be practiced jointly with a partner who is in your same head space.

 

[poised]

25.4

WWW, if you are not familiar with Kundalini energy, I hope you can find a teacher nearby. Your experience sounds really delightful and also potentially dangerous IF you don't know exactly how to handle this energy. The sexual energy sounds fine to me, but the sensation of having another presence with you seems worrisome.

Jim DeKorne, who seems an authentic scholar, writes of 25.4: "There is a definite qualification in most translations of this line :
"IF you can maintain correctness, you will succeed -- or at least not be incorrect.” The wording can imply doubt, and hints at a possible test of your discrimination. The wisest reading is that if you aren't impeccable, the injunction from the Judgment is appropriate here: "If someone is not as he should be, he has misfortune, and it does not further him to undertake anything.” http://www.jamesdekorne.com/GBCh/hex25.htm

"Maintaining correctness" with something as powerful as kundalini seems a lot to take on alone. Years ago I studied with Swami Muktananda, a very powerful teacher. One night at home while sitting cross-legged on the floor, kundalini rose so quickly up my spine it lifted me up and hurled me across the room ...fortunately I was in a tatami room with the mat up against that wall, so no harm. And certainly much bliss. A delicious, thrilling experience. But because I was studying with Muktananda, it was no surprise...I knew and trusted the phenomenon and the guru.

Muktananda wrote at least one chapter about sexual occurrences in his meditations in his spiritual autobiography Play of Consciousness, still available at Amazon. He meditated his way through those experiences until they ended, but it was a struggle for him to conquer kundalini manifesting as sex and go higher, though he was in India surrounded by gurus.

For a "civilian" (not surrounded by gurus), the potential to be overwhelmed cannot be overlooked. I have a hunch that with an experienced teacher, your spiritual path may become quite strong. .

 

[goddessliss]

Read a book by James Van Praagh, he talks about such a thing in his meditations. He is a medium and was my mentor for becoming similar myself. I can't remember the exact name of the book although I think it was the one about his journey to becoming a psychic medium. - LIss

 

[WiteWidoW]

Hmm.. you know, I have been having some strange experiences for a few years, where in meditation ( if I am relaxed enough and allow it) it is as if something moves my head for me. It grew out of energy testing i was doing when I was learning kinesiology. But I kind of shut it down after some time, it grew a bit disconcerting, because I got stuck in this neurotic loop of asking tons of questions, and after a time, the answers (yes/no) were wrong. Probably because it got out of hand, and I think that i started getting wrong answers as a way of stopping my incessant stream of questions.

There was one time in particular, about 3 years ago, where I just allowed this unseen force to move me, and I felt as if I was pushed back from my lotus position into laying down. It was all very slow and I wasn't scared, then as I lay on the floor my head was moving as if hands were moving it around for me,, sounds kinda gross.. but in the moment it was all good, not uncofmortable or anything.

And a few days ago, at night when I was sitting just chilling with the computer, I looked up and a notebook that was on the table just opened up, slowly. The first page of the notebook, as if somebody slowly turned it. Nothing else happened, except me getting a lot of goosebumps.

I know my grandmother is with me, I have felt her on numerous occasions, she is my guardian angel. I also have these strange beeping tones in my ears that come sometimes, I feel them as warnings. Sometimes the intensity is so much that it feels as if the world turns and I get a vaccuum sensation over the ear receiving the tone, and my balance gets thrown out of whack.

I am also at this stage in my life where my work doesn't appeal to me anymore. I need to find my way, i feel like i am in suspended animation, just waiting for something to happen.. I have no idea what though. But I feel ready.

Ok, I used to work in psychiatry, and people having these kinds of experiences all had diagnoses... Just saying...

 

[poised]

Hmm.. you know, I have been having some strange experiences for a few years, where in meditation ( if I am relaxed enough and allow it) it is as if something moves my head for me. It grew out of energy testing i was doing when I was learning kinesiology.
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I am also at this stage in my life where my work doesn't appeal to me anymore. I need to find my way, i feel like i am in suspended animation, just waiting for something to happen.. I have no idea what though. But I feel ready. .

Something IS happening, WWW. Sounds like a situation with much potential for learning and advancing in positive directions. I don't necessarily see a "diagnosis" in your future, but by becoming pro-active and seeking teachers, you might acquire expertise in a little-understood field.

For what it's worth, I was learning to be a teacher of the Alexander Technique (1600 hours training) at the time I was dragged off to meet the guru-- dragged because never before was I even slightly interested in guru stuff. In Alexander, we work with the head-neck-back relationship, with hands on the back of clients' necks in the most delicate way to encourage "spine lengthening." All very subtle and sedate, really, but very powerful after getting the hang of it. The object is to improve "the use of the self."

When I met Muktananda and added Kundalini meditation to Alexander, whoosh, my body, mind, heart and spirit opened up and I grew. Literally grew two inches, in fact. (I was over 35.) All sorts of "psychic" information poured in. I had good teachers on both sides of the experience, but neither the spiritual people nor the Alexander people shared my understanding of the unity of body and soul. The meeting of the self and the Self.

In Alexander, we work with people lying on their backs on a table, knees up so that the spine can rest. We turn the head gently from side to side in a particular manner that facilitates energy moving up the spine. In meditations with the guru, my chin was thrust to my chest time and time again. A free, open head-neck relationship, I have come to believe, is key to spiritual and physical awareness and wellness.

Seems to me that your body and spirit know this intrinsically. Might be helpful for you to study this particular aspect of the "strange" phenomena you are experiencing. I have no idea who can teach you, but have a feeling that you will find the right teachers if you so choose.

 

[poised]

Occurs to me that Kundalini Yoga might be an interesting study for you...I believe they are good at "directing" energy.

 

[WiteWidoW]

Wow, what a fantastic experience..

Well, I have had some experiences with gurus, been to an ashram in India a few years back, but wasn't blown away to be honest. I mean, I do appreciate the wisdom, but the whole worship thing of gurus put me off it. I know there are differences, and there is one guy, Mooji, I feel connected to him although I have never met him. But I don't know when I would have had a chance to see him, as he is mostly in Portugal, methinks.

The head movement thing is kind of always there if I let it. I asked

shed light on my experiences with my head and being moved: 10.2>25

Treading in a safe and peaceful way. The man in seclusion carries on. Good fortune.

I have prayed for my healing powers to be unlocked, I really feel I want to do something substantial, something with meaning. I want people to experience true healing when they come to me, and I can only do that if I have the proper tools. I am willing to open myself up for whatever it is I have to open up to in order to make this happen. If it means I must speak to dead people, I will speak to dead people.

I appreciate your feedback, I have been spending the past few years kind of stringently going through my experiences, to see if I can see signs of madness. I don't feel mad, but no mad people ever do. But these experiences are very real and not scary at all, really. In fact, I want to accelerate this process. So i asked:

how does tao advice me to deal with these phenomena: 42.5>27

If in truth you have a kind heart, ask not. Supreme good fortune. Truly, kindness will be recognized as your virtue.

I guess I just have to make sure my heart is free from ulterior motives and keep on giving in the name of kindness. Keep on forgiving. Developments will happen in their own time.

 

[scholar]

WiteWidow - Remedy


My Story A real life story of controlling internal energy - Ki (Chi), Kundalini, Prana (all similar things that invoke someone)- and the remedy. The basis behind energy. Read up to the end.

I can assure you the latter is definitely not the case, I am simply describing what happened to me and my experiences with no alteria intention other than to publisize the dangers of the esoteric internal arts. All the facts you are about to read are completely authentic.
My History of Martial Arts

I began learning martial arts over a decade ago, I was always very keen and took great interest not only in the physical sciences of the art but also the spiritual aspects. I studied many systems during this time including both Japanese and Chinese systems (both northern and southern systems as well as internal and external systems). All my instructors were of the highest calibre, including a Shaolin Monk from China, Grand Masters and national champions (and if I was to provide you with their names I don’t think anyone would dispute their skill and genuine martial arts lineage)

It was upon learning the internal system known as the Five Animal system of Spontaneous Chi Kung (Wu Qin Xi) which is an internal system which involved involuntary movements following the discharge of energy into the practionar that my insight into the world of Martial Arts was to take a turn for the worse. Never before had I learnt a system which resulted in induced trance like and altered states of consciousness which ostensibly improved health and martial arts prowess. I soon began channeling the energy (Chi) and creating a mini mirco-cosmic orbits around myself. Inadditon my instructor would adeptly summon the energy (Chi) and transmit and project it into hes students with stunning transitory results of improved health and increased physical strength. As the years passed on and I earned my instructors trust as I passed through all the Five Animal stages, he would boast that I was becoming a very powerful student and that soon I would soon be able to heal people myself, this made me even more eager to master this science. The principal of using martial arts as a fighting art was always sound, but using it for the betterment of others was an even greater incentive to learn, this was by no means a contradication but merely the flip side of the ability to kill and heal. And indeed I was aware of the body of scientific evidence which supported this claim. See Five Animal Frolics.

Beginning Symptoms

During this time I started to experience unusual sensations. This began with paralysis between the state of wakefulness and sleep as if something was constricting me just as I woke up in the morning, to feelings of vapours of energy around myself, particularly at night when my body was arrest and in a state of repose at night during sleep. Furthermore other students of this system also experienced the similar things but my instructor always eloquently countered any assertions of the supernatural by saying the Chi was simply opening up dormant chambers of the body & brain and that such feeling were completely natural. The instructor went as far as saying had we been practising such systems a century ago we would likely be convicted of practising magic & witchcraft, and that is only lately (i.e.19th century) that chi has been examined and studied scientifically, infact some ignorant Chinese & even non-Chinese scientists have suggested that it is no more than bio-electromagnetic energy (see Phd thesis "Qi & Biolectromagnetic Energy" York University). Certainly I was aware of the body of scientific evidence purporting the health benefits of Qigong & Chi (see The Qigong Institute). I thus as a gullible young student continued with my study of this system determined to master it always mentally finding an excuse to explain away these symptoms.

It was upon doing some prelimary research on the subject of Sleep paralysis which consists of a period of inability to perform voluntary movements either at sleep onset (called hypnogogic or predormital form) or upon awakening (called hypnopompic or postdormtal form) that I began to discover that this was often associated with withcraft and magic throughout history, where the term the old Hag was frequently used and is still used to describe a demon, ghost, etc. that sits upon their victim's chest, causing paralysis and sometimes making it hard to breathe. I decided to investigate further and read a book bought by my brother titled "The Exorcist Tradition in Islam" By Dr. Bilal Philips University of Wales. In it the author describes these symptoms of sleep paralysis as the begining sgns of demonic/jinn possession. However still not adequatly convinced of any sinister goings on I decided to continue my interests in the martial arts.

Visit by Abbot & Shaolin Monk and the Statue of Buddha

I also observed the statue of Buddha we had in our temple would become of more central importance in our classes. Our instructor (Sifu) would channel hes energy into the enoromous statue that occupied a large corner of the hall. The significance of the Buddha was to become further exemplified following a visit by the Abbot Shi Yon Xian into our temple, where upon he performed a ceremony which involved the statue of Buddha, he channeled an enormous amount of Chi into the Buddha (at which point many Sifus that were present in the audience reported feeling the powerful energy of the Abbot pass into the Buddha, some even reported seeing bright lights, and indeed this energy was to remain in the despicable idol. He was accompanied by a Shoalin Monk that our Sifu instructor had invited to teach, and much of the world media was present. The Abbot of the Shaolin Temple, aided by Shaolin Warrior Monk Shi Yan Tzi after blessing the Temple School's Buddha then consecrated the building as a branch of Shaolin Temple.

During this visit afer the ceremony, there was an amazing display of Wushu martial arts by the Shaolin monk, this involved a Shaolin form and four extrodinary displays of Chi Kung, the first being the Shaolin Monk taking powerful Gow Choi (hammer fist technique) strike by an experienced martial artist in the solar plexus with no noticeable side effects, followed by a similar strike this time with the aid of a tree trunk and four students ramming it into the stomach of the Monk. In the third display Monk Shi Yan Tzi took two volunters from the audience and made them stripe off their shirts. He then positioned them in a sort of a bowing position, this he said was for their own safety. The Monk then summoned up hes chi power. This took two or three minutes. Standing a good ten feet from the two volunteers, he reached out hes hand and made a slow downward clawing motion. When the volunteers turned around, each had clealry visible red claw marks down his back. A murmur of surprise went around the room and the Chinese camera crew moved in to take close-up shots o the phenomenon. The curious bowing posture the two volunteers took up was so that the Chi power projected by Monk Shi Yan Tzi wouldnt strike the volunters square on. If it had, it would almost certainly have injured them. I was later to discover that Shaolin Monks don't normally perform this act of Red Sand Palm technique in public, the Abbot later chastised the younger Monk for performing this as the powerful Chi could have been captured by someone in the audience with ill intent. Even after this remarkable display of inner power, Monk Shi Yan Tzi's demonstartion wasnt over yet. Choosing from a pile of bricks, the Monk built a brigde with three bricks that he could use as a pillow. He then went through a short series of excercises to focus his Chi power in his head region. He laid his head down on his brick pillow and placed another column of three bricks on top of his head. He then asked our Sifu to brick another brick down as hard as he could onto the brick column. Upon doing this incredibly all three bricks on top of the monks head and the brick beneath forming the span of the bridge shattered. To tumutuous applause, the Monk bounced to his feet, smiling and waving and completely unharmed by the massive blow delivered. It was a spectaculor display of the power of Chi witnissed first hand by me and many others including the world media. In awe of Monk Shi Yan Tzi's skill I was to remain with him for several years.(see for Monk Shi Yan Tzi)

When the Abbot went back to China I observed several noteable changes in our temple, Sifu was now no longer summing chi his normal way but rather now going up to the Buddha to attract/summon Chi (this was of coarse because the Abbot had passed his very poweful Chi into it) and students too were approaching the Buddha to get charged up (this was a term used to denote the initialisaton into the Five Animal state). I too observed when in the Gong state (Five Animal Frolics) would some how subconcsiousely be me drawn unexplianably to the Budhha for no discernable reason.The statue of Buddha was suddenly becoming the nexus of the Temple School and the roots of idolatry were taking fold.

Discontinuation of Martial Arts & Symptoms Getting Worse

Over this period I gradually started to experience further unusual symptoms I had never before experienced: paralysis, muscle spasms, unusual dreams, vapours of energy , unusual sounds & movements in my stomach, feeling of making growling sounds, sensations of crawling around the body i.e. formication, feeling of something moving around inside my body (almost thrashing around with great speed), numbness in legs following adopting sitting positions, desiring to cry at moments with no motive, paranoia, declining mental acumen (exhibiting itself in memory loss, inability to concentrate, limited lateral thinking and analytical skills), vomiting sensations, and strange clicking sound in my bedroom. Infact I become so use to these symptoms that I couldn't even remember what is was like to be normal again

It must be stressed that it was only after the inception of my study of the internal arts all these symptoms were to occur, prior to this I had always been healthy and was of sound mental intellect. Not knowing what was wrong with myself I bore this sickness but chose not to seek a cure through western medicine fearing they would misdiagnose me and fill me full of drugs or even think I was making it up or that I was psychologically imbalanced.

On Holiday

Whilst on holiday to an Islamic country one of my relatives spoke of a man that performed exorcisms on people. Again not knowing what was wrong with myself, only that I had the above symptoms, I thought what harm would there be in visiting such a person. I really had very little believe in the supernatural and magic. I always took it for granted that such things existed but no more than that, and as someone educated in the West, my mind set was more inclined to wanting tangible proof of something backed up with empirical evidence to support any claim.

 

[scholar]

In continuation...

HOWEVER ALL THAT WAS ABOUT TO CHANGE!!!

Meeting The Sheikh


I booked an appointment to see the sheikh who at this point I new very little about. On the day that I went to see him my uncle accompanied me. Upon entering the Sheikhs premises/building I discovered a very religious theme all around me i.e. Islamic material and writing on the wall etc. When first seeing the Sheikh I was also surprised to discover a very outspoken man with deep religious convictions (but very sincere) that seemed to have a constant flock of people around him, he seemed naturally charismatic. After waiting some time in a queue of people to see him my uncle introduced me to the Sheikh. I described my problems to him. He simply listened hmming every know and then. He examined parts of my body e.g. hands nails and face and asked me a few questions e.g. my dreams, any stools, unusual sensations etc.

The Sheikh then asked me to sit by the wall and put on some headphones with my eyes closed (as if I was meditating) listening to the recitation on the tape focusing upon the area of pain as if it too could hear the recitation just as I could. At this point I didn’t know what to make of the Sheikh, this was the first time I met such a person and sought such an unconventional resolution to my problem, hence I simply did what the Sheikh asked without critiquing hes methodology. I simply wanted to be normal again as I was before I studied the internal arts.

Upon putting the headphones on and taking a comfortable sitting position with my legs crossed I closed my eyes and the tape was then played. I immediately identified the recitation on the tape which consisted of Islamic chants, unusual sounds, and Quranic recitation of carefully selected verses. With my eyes closed my concentration power was heightened and I was able to isolate and focus on the pain (in my head, legs & in my stomach) with great ease. Then all of a sudden I know longer felt comfortable, almost slightly faint infact. I started swaying my head gently and my facial expression began to change as I took on a different demeanour. I began to growl and hiss with my front teeth protruding (like a wild angry animal displaying it fangs). Then gradually swaying movements was to become more acute. I was later told at this point the sheikh was giving salutations of Mubarak to my uncle (praise be to god). My concentration different falter despite all this, I kept focusing upon the pain in my body and in my head in particular.

After 30 mins of this the Sheikh then told me to take the headphones off and sit in the centre of the room were he's assistants were waiting. He asked me to take on a different sitting posture (sitting on my legs with my palms on top). One of the Sheikhs assistants who was behind me that then took a hold of my head and then forced hold of my eye lids putting some unusual drops into my eyes. The pain was excruciating. I began to cry, however all was not as it seemed. My control over my body became less so and although I was feeling the pain from the eye drop which was resonating throughout my body it wasn't all being born my me. Something very unusual began to surface from inside me and was being hit by the pain caused by the eye drops. At this point I began crying excessively however it wasn't myself crying, I was almost like a spectator in my own body watching something else within me suffering and undergoing great torment. The Sheikh began yelling "leave him!!! leave him or else you will have to undergo more of this!!!". The assistants at this point were holding me either side due to the violent uncontrollable nature by which I was swaying and trying to break out of the sitting position the Sheikh had asked me to adopt. The Sheikh then asked me to recite certain verses of the Quran, but I was unable to. He came over to me sat down and started praying over me. Whilst I was crying my lips would utter sounds and speech of "naay, don't, naay" as well as some other sounds I was unfamiliar with. I was also spitting out a lots of saliva and nasal mucus was coming out of my nose, my whole face was awash with tears. He took some water and splashed it over my neck, then all of a sudden I was able to recite.

Gradually the effects of the drops began to wear off as the pain began to subside and the crying slowed down and then eventually stopped. I was later told that the jinns see through the eyes of the human and that the ointment that the sheikh put into my eyes was also tantamount to putting it into the eyes of the jinn itself as well. Also the pain that I felt correlated with the power & control the jinns had over me.

What occurred next is perhaps the most astonishing thing to have happened to me (as if what had happened already wasn’t astonishing enough). The Sheikh asked one of hes assistants to give me a glass of water. The Sheikh told me do drink it and then vomit it out again. I was puzzled (what was the point of that?). The water in the glass had been prayed upon by the Sheikh with verses from the Quran. I took hold of the glass and drank it all down in a few gulps. The assistants put a bowel infront of me and told me to vomit into it. At first I struggled and nothing came out, I kept trying but again but found myself unable to vomit. The Sheikh insisted that I must do it and that I should try to put my hand deep down into my throat to help facilitate this process. So I then (again thinking what was the point of all this), tried to simulate the act of vomiting this time putting my hand down my throat, and then all of a sudden I felt a great surge of pressure coming out, I leaned over the bowel infront of me and water began gushing out of my mouth from around the sides straight into the bowel. It kept coming out and the bowl was filling up. I couldn't believe it !!!. I didn’t even recall drinking that much water the entire day so where was this fluid (that looked more like liquid nasal mucus) coming from? I was later to discover the act of vomiting is a standard practise amongst many of the worlds leading Islamic exorcists, the stomach is the elixir field for the jinns where they reside and feed off the contents the individual ingests, the water which had been prayed upon my the sheikh had explosive effects in the stomach such that ordinarily when the individual vomits the jinns would cling onto the lining in the stomach thus preventing them from forcibly leaving, but drinking the water in prelude to this act would prevent the jinn from doing this due to the explosive nature of the water inside which would cause the jinns to extricate involuntarily during the vomiting process. Also the unusual nature of the liquid that was being discharged by me in the west is more commonly known as ectoplasm.

Then one of the assistant grabbed me and said that's enough telling me to stop vomitting. Why did he intervene and just not let the liquids completely discharge itself in entirety I wondered? The assistant stopped me during the vomiting because he told me that I would become very weak if I vomited any further, that the jinns inside me had caused my own overall strength to increase and that by causing so many to leave at once would have left me excessively weak. He also made a stark admission that I had a lot inside me. This almost has a completely inverse relationship to the study of chi Kung that through the years of practise the individual acquires more and more chi which manifests itself in greater overall strength.

By now I was in a shattered state. There were many other people in the room that had come to see the Sheikh and were visibly disturbed at the site of what they had seen with me. I looked at the Sheikh and rather sillily asked "Am I possessed by Jinns" , he looked at me and said "What else!!!", also a lot of people in the room starting sighing "what else", as if there could be no other conclusion that could be drawn from what had just happened.

I had passed all of the Sheikhs litmus tests in terms of diagnosing/ascertaining jinns/demonic possession. And yet my first thoughts weren’t so much about myself but more about all the other people that were practising these esoteric systems of martial arts and other eastern systems summoning Demons/Jinns without a clue in the world about the reality of what was going on. I am one of the lucky ones that by complete fortune and the grace of God path collided with that of the Sheikh's and put on the path to recovery, had this not happened I am almost certain today I would either be in a mental asylum or on some extreme form of medication falsely diagnosed by western doctors that don’t even have the mental constructs and concepts to explain the world of the jinns/demons, the unseen & possession adequately.
The Sheikh told my uncle to bring me again for the next session. The Sheikh had been performing exorcisms for over a decade and had been blessed by Allah (God) with this divine ability, and as a result people from all over the country and indeed the world would contact him with their various jinn related problems. Hes methodology was in strict conformance to the Islamic Sharia.

The Days After

I went to see the Sheikh the next day and indeed everyday there on in after for several weeks undergoing the same combination of Islamically sanctioned exorcist rites with some additions. The Sheikh gave me a list of prayers to perform regularly and told me to drink nothing except a water bottle he would give me which had been prayed upon (which I could then fill up when it was half full). The Sheikh would say that water had the benefit that it could reach every where inside me so the jinn had no refuge except but to leave or die within me. During this period those symptoms of spasms, numbness, head aces etc began to wane. The decline was such that the until spasms were no more than just a little pricks, the head aces were gone and my overall well-being was vastly improved etc. Also during this period I would often have unusual dreams which I would convey back to the Sheikh, and sensations of something crying inside me between the state of wakefulness and sleep. The Sheikh was torturing the jinns to leave, and if it didn’t he told me it would die within me. It is difficult to ascertain why the jinns had such a strong association with myself , it is possible that because I had invoked them they were tormenting me, may be they liked their new found home/host, may be they were forced to remain inside me by other jinns that had control/mastery over them, or maybe they were just simply evil and desired nothing other than the destruction of mankind due to historical reasons of enmity between the two creations.

Cases of Possession

I have since seen many cases of possession, possession involving jinns falling in love with girls, possession involving acts of magic performed on individuals, possession where by jinns harass or haunt individuals/buildings etc. But certainly my case was unlike most of the others the Sheikh was dealing with because I had directly invoked these creatures and inadvertently sought their assistance via (i)My instructor channelling the energy into me (ii)Capturing chi from outside my body (iii) Going into deep meditative trances allowing the chi to take control of my body like I was in an intoxicated state taking on the characteristics of animals see Wu Qin Xi five animal frolics (iv) Through various chants and (v) Performance of certain forms/kata with acts of magic embedded with in without even knowing it. What is also most disturbing is that the practise of my art involved the accumulation of these jinns inside me or as my instructor would say the cultivation of chi which could take many years to achieve, which is why they often say that to practise the external arts could take a few years but to practise the internal art a decade i.e. the more chi I had the more adept at the internal arts I became. Most instances of possession only involve a hand full of jinns, however internal arts by definition require the individual to store up or hoard their chi. That is why practising such systems can be so fatal to the practionar and act of exorcism can be considerably longer than otherwise.

 

[Tohpol]

Interesting thread.

I do see Jinn as merely the cultural interpretation of a type of spirit attachment which is incredibly common from the “benign” attachment of one’s dead relative right up to the more negative entities that you talk about. Gurdjieff's theory of the little "I"'s that make up the lower personality and which are in a state of "war" producing all kinds of mechanical reactions is one aspect. Then the idea of auric attachments by entities with a certain degree of consciousness may be descriptions of the same dynamic. Either way, work on the self is the only way to be rid of them it seems.

It's a very old adage in Gnosticism, Theosophy, Fourth Way schools and the Western Hermetic tradition never to consciously "raise the Kundalini" since they claim it has nothing whatsoever to do with "higher energies" but everything to do with prematurely opening up certain chakras/centres which are highly vulnerable to all kinds of external energy, which includes possessing entities. It is said that there's no reason to consciously raise the "coiled serpent" or be stimulated to do so when guided self-development allows it to incrementally flow into the various centres naturally and when the time is right without premature “burning away of the separation webs”. This is apparently part of the reason schools were formed to off-set that danger. Though every case is individual, I personally resonate with Gurdjieff's view on Kundalini as very much a false sensation and coveted by Black/White Magicians for its apparent "effects" in the short-term.

Gurdjieff discusses it in his book: Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson believing it is the source of pronounced illusion rather than liberation. He likens Kundalini to a spell which further hypnotizes man to believe himself an adept via increased spiritual inspiration, while in fact remaining more deeply asleep and thus quite detrimental to any spiritual path. He likens the kundalini energy to the effects initiated by the "Evil Magician" as outlined in P.D. Ouspensky's book In Search of the Miraculous and is an excellent analogy for the human condition, not least the possible role of kundalini in this context.

Here's the full extract:

There was an evil magician. He lived deep in the mountains and the forests, and he had thousands of sheep. But the problem was that the sheep were afraid of the magician because every day the sheep were seeing that one of them was being killed for his breakfast, another was being killed for his lunch. So they ran away from the magician's ranch and it was a difficult job to find them in the vast forest. Being a magician, he used magic.

He hypnotized all the sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it.

He then told different sheep...to some, "You are a man, you need not be afraid. It is only the sheep who are going to be killed and eaten, not you. You are a man just like I am." Some other sheep were told, "You are a lion -- only sheep are afraid. They escape, they are cowards. You are a lion; you would prefer to die than to run away. You don't belong to these sheep. So when they are killed it is not your problem.

They are meant to be killed, but you are the most loved of my friends in this forest." In this way, he told every sheep different stories, and from the second day, the sheep stopped running away from the house.
They still saw other sheep being killed, butchered, but it was not their concern. Somebody was a lion, somebody was a tiger, somebody was a man, somebody was a magician and so forth. Nobody was a sheep except the one who was being killed. This way, without keeping servants, he managed thousands of sheep. They would go into the forest for their food, for their water, and they would come back home, believing always one thing: "It is some sheep who is going to be killed, not you. You don't belong to the sheep. You are a lion -- respected, honored, a friend of the great magician." The magician's problems were solved and the sheep never ran away again.'

Since humanity is inherently suggestible with a huge tendency to wishful thinking it is isn’t so difficult to see how the above is about the subtle shades of illusion which gets progressively deeper as you apparently make more progress, thus the necessity of discrimination, discernment and the art of seeing.
So, in summary, Gurdjieff reiterates an ancient wisdom that the kundalini is the echo of a bio/psycho-spiritual power of illusion or maya used by the magician to make us think we are in fact, “magicians” when we are merely sheep.

Carlos Castaneda also mentions it in some of his allegorical books from what he calls the “foreign installation” of “ the Predator’s Mind”. Don Juan tell us:

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.' […] They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. […] Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them."

In Gurdjieff’s teachings which delves into the cosmology of the Universe, the Earth and our moon, he describes the concept of humanity as being “food for the moon” since such an “installation” was engineered by “angels” in order to form part of the organic fabric of life which had a specific purpose in proximity to the moon. In esoteric lore, the moon is seen as a cosmic foetus that needs nourishment in order to grow. Similarly, the out-of-body traveller and Hemi-Sync inventor Robert Monroe called the production of this energy “loosh” where specific types of energy (sex, fear, hunger, desire) produced the required sustenance. As a consequence of being trapped in this material existence and having this installation within our Being all existence is seen through a distinctly distorted human lens, where illusion provides a suitable vibratory nourishment to a variety of moon-connected beings constantly overshadowing humanity. This further links to tales of ultraterrestrial mythology and incubus/succubus/vampiric entities, which also describe the same Kundalini as a potent bio-chemical delicacy for 4th density shadow predators. This is partly from where many of our darkest myths – and their warnings - are derived.

There’s an awful lot of new age literature out there extolling the virtues of “raising the Kundalini” as though it’s a parlour game and always the cause of spiritual awakening. I think that's a massive generalisation and needs to be seen as a very personal experience which may not necessarily be what it's constantly touted: a spiritual uprush of positive effects. (Certainly, scholar's post offers a much needed note of caution on that score). No need to be afraid of this phenomenon but I think it does require a very healthy respect and some seasoned guidance if it happens to arrive spontaneously. It's the latter expression - having experienced the same - that's usually the more benign though also not without attendant problems.

Hey-ho. It's a rum old world...