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Hi everyone,

I'm feeling very overwhelmed by this answer at the moment, cause i got only this month 3 times to variations of a question around the uncanny feeling that I lost track, that my life is turning out in ways i didnt intend or expected it to (as all lives do...) but that actually feel foreign and unfaithful to me. It's been a sad month, tough I feel i took every possible action I could to come close to what I thought I wanted and to fight for my goals and my dreams.
On the pratical level there are no more changes I need to undertake, I took them in the last 3 years and now I am where I wanted to be. Just drowning in sadness and isolated...

On the 4th of december I asked: what is this sadness trying to signal that I am not aware of?
on the 17th I asked: How can I become more my own center and not feel so secondary?
and today I asked: How can i challenge this isolation and disperse what is blocking me?

and always I got 24 (1,6) 23

which feels really hard to read because I totally feel like line 6, that I am missing out on something I cant even bring myself to grasp, and yet line 1 tells me Im not far from myself and there is no need for remorse. But line 6 prevails for me in the readings, specially because it comes after, which seems to point that tough right now I haven't yet drifted much apart, I am running the chance to drift if some turning point is missed.

Does it feel as abstract to you as it does to me?

do you have any words of advice?

It feels very ominous and the weeks are not bringing more clarity.

Thank you very much,
yo*
 
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yo, Yo.

Stop.

When we move away from our core, our center, and become overwhelmed (with anything), we need to turn around and return to our core being, core nature, core purpose. If we stop early, it's an easy and short distance back to our core (line 1). When we obsess continually, questioning, second guessing ourselves, we climb the ladder (think of the change line positions here, all the way from bottom to top), we pass by the points of return, and sort of fall apart at the seams. Reading and feeling your words, this is what has happened in you. So stop, or strip away those useless, unproductive emotions and return to your natural flow of coming and going and coming back to yourself again - to and fro goes the way - that's nature's cycle (note 24 is followed by 25: nature or natural. Being wired and amped up isn't nature's way, so return before you pass the time and opportunity to turn around. Lose what is unnatural and unnecessary. You'll feel much better, you'll make better choices, and you'll feel like your old self again.

Just imagine if the sun rose one day and then just kept right on rising :eek: until we no longer were able to cycle around it. We'd miss the ability to return to our natural orbit, with day and night coming and going reliably. Instead we'd be cast into the darkness of space. This is the danger of failing to return to ourselves. Strip whatever it is that's causing you to go in a straight line away from yourself, your mind, your heart, your core being.
 

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24.1 leads to 2, being receptive to everything that life gives you, following your intuition.
Reverse line 2.1 -> 24 speaks about coming close to a cold place, ice gets stronger and thicker, so in your case I think your intuition and feelings, that were frozen while you tried "to come close to what I thought I wanted and to fight for my goals and my dreams" are thawing out, and you start to realize that you have fought for false ideas (seeing as "now I am where I wanted to be. Just drowning in sadness and isolated").

Also 24.6 warns about approaching the 'point of no return'.

2.6 leads to 23(Stripping away) - dragons fighting each other, this realization that something (false) must go.
Maybe this is the consequence of not listening to hex 2 advice 'If he leads he will go astray, following brings success'.
Hex 23 is also linked to the ninth month (October-November), so i'm just curious, when did you begin to feel this sadness?
 

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So stop, or strip away those useless, unproductive emotions and return to your natural flow of coming and going and coming back to yourself again - to and fro goes the way - that's nature's cycle (note 24 is followed by 25: nature or natural. Being wired and amped up isn't nature's way, so return before you pass the time and opportunity to turn around. Lose what is unnatural and unnecessary. You'll feel much better, you'll make better choices, and you'll feel like your old self again.

That's very useful, sooo, many thanks. You are right and in same way I know that but the fears of having taken a wrong turn are getting over me.
I still feel this repeated answer is pointing towards a blind-spot of some sort, something perhaps very obvious that I dont see. I don't feel I should be doing anything else with my time than what I am actually doing, what I decided to do some time ago and demanded some big structural changes (it's a long story but it implies a more secluded life) and yet I am here fulfilling what I had wished and I feel utterly off-track. I guess is some sort of destination syndrome i have to overcome, for example, I keep thinking in the form of "this is it...?" - with disappointment, like today is how life is going to be always and forever.

So I guess I need an attitude change thought that might take a while...10 years? :) line 6 it is...

The way you read this reading resonated tremendously and helped me put it into a new perspective, thank you very much...

:bows:
yo*
 

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2.6 leads to 23(Stripping away) - dragons fighting each other, this realization that something (false) must go.
Maybe this is the consequence of not listening to hex 2 advice 'If he leads he will go astray, following brings success'.
Hex 23 is also linked to the ninth month (October-November), so i'm just curious, when did you begin to feel this sadness?

thank you ashteroid for your insights.

I think 2,6 changes to 27, not 23, the whole reading changes to 23. In this case I felt both 2 and 27 were pertinent presences as resulting hexagrams for both lines. 23 sounds very ominous, but there must be some stripping away to be done, i accept. Regarding the time-frame, I can't say I would relate any of this to october-november especially. For 2/3 years now that I have been undertaking gradually some big life changes (change of country, of activity, of partner, of routine, of diet, of almost everything really) in the direction of what i felt I wanted for my life, and the way my life looks right now began perhaps this July-August. I have gradually been feeling more insecure and december was the month I began asking the Y directly - why am I constantly so sad and isolated? and when this recurrent 24:23 began appearing again and again.

Hope that answers your question :)
thanks
y
 

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yoana, hex 2.6 does lead to 23. I was just using the transitional hexagram method, taking the lowest line and following it to the next hexagram, then taking 2nd lowest line etc.

Here 24.1 -> 2(Transitional); 2.6 -> 23.


It may be the destination syndrome, when you have achieved your goal and feel bored and listless, because there is nowhere to go, nothing to strive for.
Then you can try to find new opportunities and activities, by exploring new surroundings.
 

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I am wondering if the 24.6 has something to do with your diet, because 27 is your yang change pattern, and 27 has to do with the food we eat. Our diet can influence our mood. I have to say, it is truly hard sometimes with 24.6 to identify where the problem lies, and the advice seems time-sensitive, like there may be a point of no return if we mess up. I totally sympathize with you, as I am pondering a 24.6 of my own currently. It might help if you asked Yi, "What is the issue?"
 

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I am wondering if the 24.6 has something to do with your diet, because 27 is your yang change pattern, and 27 has to do with the food we eat. Our diet can influence our mood. I have to say, it is truly hard sometimes with 24.6 to identify where the problem lies, and the advice seems time-sensitive, like there may be a point of no return if we mess up. I totally sympathize with you, as I am pondering a 24.6 of my own currently. It might help if you asked Yi, "What is the issue?"

ginnie, interesting perspective! I think I watch what I eat but of course there is room for improvement. I miss the summer with its fresh salads and fruits, my culinary imagination is not made for the winter and its ingredients, so I havent been cooking much, something I usually love to do. When this phase began 2/3 years ago, the one that lead to such radical life changes I mentioned before, I had constant attacks of despair and couldnt really function anymore, and the doctor I went to see told me at the time I needed a bit of meat (I had been a vegetarian for 10 years) and since then, unthinkable as it still sounds to me, I eat meat once/twice a month. So, still changing that diet...

I also find the question you suggested very useful, I think I asked something similar already, the answer was 9, that line in which the cart looses it spokes and the man and woman look in different directions. It just made me feel worse, I admit, it felt as yet again a brilliant metaphor of how I feel, stagnated and lacking inner communication.

Thanks for both insights, very precious. :bows:
 

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yoana, hex 2.6 does lead to 23. I was just using the transitional hexagram method, taking the lowest line and following it to the next hexagram, then taking 2nd lowest line etc.

Here 24.1 -> 2(Transitional); 2.6 -> 23..

sorry ashteroid, I was ignorant of this, I thought it had been a typo. Where can I read some more of this transitional method?

To wrap up this thread with a positive note (sorry I have been so faithless, but right now i kind of feel that way) I want to share another reading that doesn't really enlightens the nature of the return being missed but really made sense regarding the whole attitude to maintain. It is a question I ask every year on the last day of the year:

"What major lesson did 2013 come to teach me?" and the answer was 58,4 > 60

and i read it as being more aware of the boundaries I set on my own well-being. Line 4 for me depicts someone who fulfilled her own requirements for being happy and yet is still not at peace. The piece of advice is simple and echoes what sooo also said: contain your urgency/anxiety to return to joy again. This was what I could have done in 2013 but somehow did not manage.

Thank you all for your contributions!!
y.
 

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I hope Bradford doesn't mind, here is his description of the method, p.44. He describes 4.3.6 -> 46, through 18.
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About 58.4 -> 60.
Wilhelm: Joyousness that is weighed is not at peace. After ridding himself of mistakes a man has joy.

Often a man finds himself weighing the choice between various kinds of pleasures, and so long as he has not decided which kind he will choose, the higher or the lower, he has no inner peace. Only when he clearly recognizes that passion brings suffering, can he make up his mind to turn away from the lower pleasures and to strive for the higher. Once this decision is sealed, he finds true joy and peace, and inner conflict is overcome.


I think it speaks about inner conflict that you are ignoring.
Are you really happy with your new life? Do you feel that you have compromised/weighed too much?
Did 60 limit your Joy too much?
 

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About 58.4 -> 60.

I think it speaks about inner conflict that you are ignoring.
Are you really happy with your new life? Do you feel that you have compromised/weighed too much?
Did 60 limit your Joy too much?

ah, that's the heart of the matter i guess. I was violently depressed 2/3 years ago and I had to change. I undertook major changes in many spheres of life, always trying to come closer to what I thought could bring me more peace of mind, tranquility, silence to think and to write and ultimately the sense that getting up from the bed every morning is a doable thing. I wasnt managing that little for some long and heavy months in 2010/11...

I really believed my path was a solitary one and that I should let go of the hopes of having a family. This summer when I finally stepped into a more isolated lifestyle I finally felt the peacefulness and the sense of calm joy and presence I had hoped for. I kind of still do: there is really nothing "out there" I would rather be doing more than just staying here with the books and the thinking. That's the tricky bit, I guess. When I am reaching despair yet again I open the door and tell myself - just go anywhere you wanna go, meet anyone you wanna meet, do anything you wanna do - whatever makes you happier right now. And I end up closing the door and staying - this is where I want to be.

So I sit and ask the Y for some support in what I perceive is some process of coming home to the evidence that I'm really alone (my choice, my choice) and 24 comes up, 2 is also popular, so at the end of the day I still think my path is a solitary one and I have to learn, and perhaps there are still more layers of expectation regarding a partner or a family that I felt I let go but I didnt. That 9,3 that I mentioned in my reply to ginnie above made me think about that as well.

Sometimes I question this choice and I go back to the idea that I should give relationships a chance, romantic ones, I mean, and I did find myself the other night asking the Y if there is anything I could do in order to attract a loving partnership into my life, but answers like the one I got really reminded me why I gave up at some point. 48,2/39 is discouraging to say the least. From one of the many translations I consulted I wrote down in my notebook: "you have nothing to offer".

No point in beating myself up over that again. I thought I had outgrown it (46 came a lot those days in the summer when I arrived here). Most of the time I am certain this is my path and that I have to become more mature and resilient to accept the hardships of solitude. But then I crack and 24,6 just hits that nerve, that fear that I might be "throwing life away".

when I read 58,4 I understood it meant "enclosed as this is, it is your territory; learn to find peace in the limitation you choose for yourself" - but you don't see it like that, do you?

well, in any case, the door is unlocked. A train passes by often. I wouldnt know where to go.

Thanks for the guidelines for the transitional method. Seems labyrinthian but worth giving a try :)

all the best*
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Oooh, now I get it, choose either higher or lower pleasures, don't just stand there, pick already and go with it. Either return 24.1, or continue 24.6.

I'm also inclined to a solitary life style, and this uncertainty kills me.

I understood it meant "enclosed as this is, it is your territory; learn to find peace in the limitation you choose for yourself"
Yes I agree now.

Just yesterday I finally managed to meditate without interruption for 43 minutes, and man did I have some unusual feelings all over my body. Warmth, pressure, paralyzed, dissolving of the body, pressure and coldness in a 3rd eye area, feelings of movement backwards and then upwards.

upd: Somehow your situation has influenced my thoughts, and after some light meditation I decided to ask Yi "What if i get my CPL(H) and get a job as a pilot, will I be truly happy?"
Yi said: 58.4 -> 60. :duh: Choose already and stick with it!
 
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