Hex 50: Dream Interpretation

[laylab]

Last night I had a very strange and perhaps telling dream. As you know, my ex-Lover shocked me with news that his partner is expecting twin girls. I dreamed the following last night:

I was delivering twins, I could not see the womans face but I was right down there, at her groin delivering the twins and the man was standing in the room to the side looking.

The first child came out and it was a boy. At first he was lethargic but eventually I got him breathing well and he cried. I wrapped him up and handed him over the the father. Then I felt that something was wrong with the second child. It was not crowning yet but I just felt that something was wrong.

So I listened for a heartbeat but only heard the mothers. Just when I thought that I might have to preform a c-section, the baby started to come out. And it was a stillborn girl.

Then the dream jumped forward in time a day or so.

I went back to the house to visit the family and there was sorrow hanging over it. Other people were in the house but I didn't see the couple or the child that had lived.

When I enquired an older couple in the house said, "we are here because the whole family is dead, it's so tragic. They were so destroyed over the stillborn child that they drown their other child and then killed themselves. The took me and showed me the toilet that actually led down to a large underground tank with clear water and said, "they dropped their little boy down here and then went into the other room and took their own lives. The bodies of the couple are still there, don't look if you can't handle it"

I didn't look, it was so sorrowful. I wanted to leave but then I just woke up.

There are so many components to this dream that I don't know where to start:

me in the roll of a healer
an observer (me and others)
a weak male child
a still born female
a distant father
a quiet mother (there was no noise from her while she gave birth)
water
and the house was of dark wood

Any ideas?

 

[laylab]

I asked, "what was this dream telling me?" and got

50 The Cauldron unchanging

 

[Trojina]

Without reference to 50 which as simply see as whats cooking in your pot - in your subconscious - my immediate take on it is that you are seeing the whole scenario with your lover and his family and your role in it - seeing it from a more detached perspective as if you are in a drama.

I can't help but see the babies you are helping to birth as aspects of yourself with regard to this relationship- the male part fares better, manages to live - maybe thats the part of you that takes the more pragmatic line like you discussed yesterday when you said you thought you could go on with him just for sex and not get romantic. The feminine side of you can't live with this and so is stillborn - just like symbolically this relationship is stillborn in a sense - you expected more from it, expected it to live.

I feel that the man and woman represents your lover and his wife and its interesting she is in the dream and you are near her genitals - to see her face would be too much for you as perhaps in life you don't want ot acknowledge her existence too much - but here you are right close to her genitals - so connected in an intimate which i guess in a weird way you are both having had sex with him.

The last part of the dream is amazing - you are being told the family has been destroyed by the stillborn child - hmm so if the stillborn is your aborted relationship then the dream indicates (you feel subconsciously) your aborted relationship with him destroys their family

This might be a kind of revenge dream or it might be something more positive. It is interesting you are seeing your relationship within the whole framework rather than just your bit of it.

Theres many ways to look at this dream - its quite a corker isn't it, lol it could also be that all the characters are parts of yourself esp the woman. The key thing to understanding it must be the emotions that accompany it - sorrow it seems at the loss of possibilities (babies)

Makes me think of the 53,6 you got before as an answer to how it would be to leave him. I think 53,6 can mean you leave a situation but you have gained something valuable from it - something that can even benefit others. I don't know exactly why this dream reminds me of that answer - just a feeling

 

[jimnammack]

Laylab:

I feel that you have had an important dream, and figuring out all the bits and parts could be taxing. Perhaps the best approach is to do as you have done, do one divination about the whole thing. Another possibility is to break the dream up into what feels for you to be coherent sections, and do divinations for each section. For example, you could do a divination about the part of the dream relating to the twins being born, and you could do a divination about the rest of the dream, having to do with the deaths of the people involved. Perhaps such a multifaceted dream would be easier to understand if you did it that way.

Usually, when we dream about other people, the other people symbolize different aspects of our own lives. The images in dreams are symbolic, not representational.

With that in mind, let's take a look at what Wilhelm says for Hexagram 50.
The whole hexagram is extremely positive, with The Judgment saying, "Supreme good fortune. Success." The Sequence speaks of transformation. Miscellaneous Notes speaks of taking up the new. The Image says that the superior man consolidates his fate by making his position correct.

This reminds me of the other divination of yours that I commented on. It seemed from that divination that your relationship with this guy was going to undergo some dramatic transformation, and this dream seems to be telling you the same thing.

Since the twins in the dream are his, the dream as a whole seems to symbolize your relationship with this guy. And since, in the dream, you helped or enabled the woman give birth to the twins, this could mean that you are going to be intimately involved in some new beginning having to do with your relationship with this man. That one twin was stillborn could mean that something about your transformed relationship with this guy is going to die or pass away at the same time that it undergoes a rebirth.

The second part of the dream, the one depicting the deaths of everyone involved, is symbolic as well. It is similar to drawing the Death card in the tarot. It means a transformative new beginning. It means out with the old, and in with the new.

Jim

 

[laylab]

This is alot (and yet not difficult somehow) to consider.
Trojan hit the nail on the head with his interpretation of the male child being my male side and the stillborn child being my feminine side. The part of me that can not survive in this context with him if I persue a yang type "for sex only" relationship. At the present, I would have to numb or kill my yin in order to be with this man without immediate pain.

Being near the wife's genitals is also telling only, I didn't notice that until Trojan mentioned...and let me tell ya...I got a full view of them as it was a graphic dream while the children were being born and it was in colour.

The last part of the dream is amazing - you are being told the family has been destroyed by the stillborn child - hmm so if the stillborn is your aborted relationship then the dream indicates (you feel subconsciously) your aborted relationship with him destroys their family

This could by my aborted relationship or my deadened female side if I persue a masculine persuit, maybe? Either way, death of the female/feminine, destroys the family - I notice now that they even kill the male child, not out of anger but out of sorrow, as part of the total destruction.

Something is in the process of transforming but not yet complete. Somehow I feel that September will bring some kind of new beginning, somewhere...but I have NO idea why I feel that way.

Both of you were able to instantly interpret the dream. Funny, I can do that to other people's dreams but rarely or never, with my own!

Jim, now that you mention Tarot, I think I will do a reading this weekend.

One thing about the dream that I notice is that I was shown the way that the male child was killed: drowning with water. But I did not see how the man and wife destroyed themselves. However, I know that water wasn't involved.

In the dream, from the other side of the door, my intuition or imagination saw blood. This is what the old couple in the house meant when they said, "don't look if you can't handle it".

 

[Trojina]

Talking of male and female sides, I'm female - only you said 'his interpretation"



Male child drowing in water - water often symbolises emotions/tears - the male baby, whatever you take that to symbolise cannot cope with all that emotion. The parents also refuse to deal with their sorrow by killing themselves.

The final statement 'don't look if you can't handle it' I reckon may carry the message of the dream. Maybe in your relationship with him you don't want to have to think about his current family set up - but all the time you know its there - this dream kinda makes you look - or maybe its about your own pain you just don't want to go near as in the pain of final separation. Ultimately being your dream only you are going to get to the heart of it.

It might also be worth considering the man and woman as your own parental figures - you know how they have shaped the way your relationships function. Boring i know but parental figures just won't seem to stay out of dreams !

 

[laylab]

Trojan, all this time I thought you were a bloke! LOL

 

[Tohpol]

Trojan, all this time I thought you were a bloke! LOL

Don't worry, Trojan thought I was female for ages...

Topalette

 

[mudpie]

what beautiful interpretations.

What really stood out for me was the line where you could only hear the mother's heartbeat.

I suspect the dream is showing what deep empathy you feel for the mother. You can't see her face but you are intimately connected to her. Your ex-lover is more or less an observer, but in this dream, you are active as the midwife ( bringing to reality the facts about your love affair) and the woman is involved but silent.

The boy ( your strictly sexual liaison with your lover) is not enough reason to go on, the loss of your yin is sorrowful incentive for this weak surviving desire to be drowned. In the end , you can't bear to look at the fact that this could destroy an entire family and you want to leave.

I think it is a beautiful dream showing your deep compassion and desire to move on. 53.6 indeed.

 

[bruce_g]

Interesting and, I think, very good interpretations.

The pivotal character in the dream is the not yet born girl child. If she stays alive, the whole family stays alive. Therefore, Layla, I'd say keep your expectation alive and healthy, and don't turn your back on your little girl. The potential for life and love is there, but so is the potential to fall into the watery pit. When the heart stops (loving?), the potential little girl dies.

50 is a pot, true, but the purpose for it is more far reaching than a stew. The pot and stew serves to feed advancement in the form of refinement. So I'd look at this dream as an opportunity to grow to your new potential, fulfilling your fate.