Hexagram 19.1 to 7 for ending something

[arabella]

I've just realised that I am utterly naive to the point of stupidity. For those of you who have read my posts for a year and a half, this is probably no revelation. At any rate, realising I've been taken for a fool, I told somebody off -- not in a horrific way, but in a very definitive way. I feel justified but sad.

I've asked Yi -- Did I do the right thing?

Hexagram 19.1 becoming Hexagram 7.

I feel so foolish at the moment, I'm afraid to take my own interpretation of what this means. Thanks to anybody who wishes to have a go at this. Arabella

 

[Trojina]

It seems you did the right thing to me....you began to take things in hand, which is also a way of caring for them

 

[dragona]

Nine at the beginning means:
Joint approach.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
The good begins to prevail and to find response in influential circles. This in turn is an incentive to men of ability. IT is well to join this upward trend, but we must not let ourselves be carried away by the current of the time; we must adhere perseveringly to what is right. This bring good fortune. (Wilhelm)
It looks to me that you have done what you had to do and that will have some positive effect on that persons behaviour towards you.I gather that the case is not closed yet, so when that person approaches you again, you have to stand your ground and that way you will get some results.
Good luck, from one weakling to another

 

[anemos]

I've just realised that I am utterly naive to the point of stupidity. For those of you who have read my posts for a year and a half, this is probably no revelation. At any rate, realising I've been taken for a fool, I told somebody off -- not in a horrific way, but in a very definitive way. I feel justified but sad.

hex 7 : Thus the superior man increases his masses
By generosity toward the people Wilhelm

19.1 LiSe : With affection nearing. Determination auspicious.

I don't see a fool , naive, stupid, just someone who struggles to change some things , to re-organized one's life fights something Big.

Just try to be more generous and gentle to yourself.

i regards to your questions sounds like a yes but i can't diminishe the generosity and affection your reading points to.

 

[arabella]

Nine at the beginning means:
Joint approach.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
The good begins to prevail and to find response in influential circles. This in turn is an incentive to men of ability. IT is well to join this upward trend, but we must not let ourselves be carried away by the current of the time; we must adhere perseveringly to what is right. This bring good fortune. (Wilhelm)
It looks to me that you have done what you had to do and that will have some positive effect on that persons behaviour towards you.I gather that the case is not closed yet, so when that person approaches you again, you have to stand your ground and that way you will get some results.
Good luck, from one weakling to another

Yes, this is what my elder daughter has just said to me as well. That when I'm approached another time I just need to say hello, be pleasant and not take on any more invitations or overtures. It will be difficult -- but it helps to have reinforcement from all of you!

 

[arabella]

hex 7 : Thus the superior man increases his masses
By generosity toward the people Wilhelm

19.1 LiSe : With affection nearing. Determination auspicious.

I don't see a fool , naive, stupid, just someone who struggles to change some things , to re-organized one's life fights something Big.

Just try to be more generous and gentle to yourself.

i regards to your questions sounds like a yes but i can't diminishe the generosity and affection your reading points to.

I have tried to close this in a civil way, but making my own point as well. I hope that's what 19.1 points to. I do care about this person but I also need to learn to care more about myself. Why is that so hard? I don't know.

 

[arabella]

It seems you did the right thing to me....you began to take things in hand, which is also a way of caring for them

I'm trying to set some boundaries T, as much for myself as for anybody.

 

[arabella]

I've asked what impression my reply has had on this person, because I am concerned that the impression is what I wanted and not caused undue harm.

The Yi's response: Hexagram 61.1.5 becoming Hexagram 4

Any thoughts on the effect of what I said?

 

[anemos]

I have tried to close this in a civil way, but making my own point as well. I hope that's what 19.1 points to. I do care about this person but I also need to learn to care more about myself. Why is that so hard? I don't know.

if you have the chance, rent the movie "what the beep we know". There is an awesome scene in that movie. Won't tell you which scene , you will understand

 

[dragona]

Why do I have a feeling this is not over yet? ;-)
About that film, never finished it, was tinking just yestrday to watch, I need it as well, ty anemos.

 

[anemos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMfCvdyaNGQ&NR=1

somehow your reading and your thoughts Arabella reminds me of that scene too , from the same movie

 

[rodaki]

I've just realised that I am utterly naive to the point of stupidity. For those of you who have read my posts for a year and a half, this is probably no revelation. At any rate, realising I've been taken for a fool, I told somebody off -- not in a horrific way, but in a very definitive way. I feel justified but sad.

I've asked Yi -- Did I do the right thing?

Hexagram 19.1 becoming Hexagram 7.

I feel so foolish at the moment, I'm afraid to take my own interpretation of what this means. Thanks to anybody who wishes to have a go at this. Arabella

hey Arabella . .

19 has often been seen as a somewhat prodding hexagram, that's urging you to know what you're doing and be true to it . . in Bradford's comments, line 1 shows like the line of talking . . having done that, next is you have to act on it, or bring words/thoughts and actions under the same 'roof' or purpose (7)

61/4 is reminiscent of how you talked about this in your first post and to me it feels like it directs your attention towards your own truth rather than beyond it -presuming that we can 'see' into another's mind or act according to what others will perceive seems to fall aside of what one needs to know foremost in 61 . . maybe it's tricky to keep our natural minds 'safe' from our desire to be seen one way or another (61.1) but when it comes to sharing truth (61.5) proclaiming your own mind should be enough

I'd keep in mind that so long as there is no conflict within your own mind/heart first, you can take a break from trying to make it right wit or for everyone else . .

my own two cents here . .

 

[arabella]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMfCvdyaNGQ&NR=1

somehow your reading and your thoughts Arabella reminds me of that scene too , from the same movie

I've watched this film now Anemos and it has a lot of good information that I especially enjoyed about something I'm trying to visualise right now and, that is, breaking the electrochemical addiction cycle associated with failed experiences. If you remember from the film they refer constantly to these cycles of emotions as chemical patterns that can be changed in order to form, or even allow, a different future or different relationships. This is so primary in my mind right now so it is spooky that you introduced this documentary today. Well, maybe not. Maybe we are reflections of each others' consciousness and this is our connection. Wild.

I had just written to a friend-psychologist in Sweden last night asking him for the tools I need to break this addictive cycles of expectation that bring people into my life who aren't appropriate and assigning attributes to them that don't exist -- exalting them in certain ways out of all proportion to what they actually are. Why do this? It is some chemical need, some desired feeling that I am lacking otherwise.

WOW, that you brought this up today. Bravo, Anemos. Because it just reinforced what I should keep on thinking about and practising until I've broken this habit of "loving" everybody [and not in productive ways either] more than myself. It is a terrible habit that means I make no progress in building relationships and the relationships I do build are with people who don't exist. Well, they do exist, but they aren't so totally "wonderful" as I build them to be in my mind.

Thanks you for your insight Anemos, I am truly impressed. :bows:

 

[anemos]

a friend suggested that to me sometime ago and I found it very useful in many terms. Glad that the timing was good for you.

take care

 

[arabella]

Why do I have a feeling this is not over yet? ;-)About that film, never finished it, was tinking just yestrday to watch, I need it as well, ty anemos.

Reading through the thread again tonight Dragona I notice that you say twice you feel this isn't "over" and I just wondered where you got that vibe and what you were thinking?
Arabella

 

[Trojina]

You entitled the thread 'ending something' but that is not what you said in the actual first post, you just said you had spoken out, not that you had ended it.

It would be hard to see 19.1 as specifically ending something...the first line of the hexagram 'Approach' ? How could that be ending ?

However sometimes I think hex 19 shows very much 'approach' as in our behaviour our own approach,...which I think clearly is not at fault here. So IOW how you approached the situation was without fault.

So you know whether it ends or doesn't end your approach was correct in that instance. You didn't ask if it was ended you asked if you did the right thing....so yes you did but whether its ended or not is another question IMO since you haven't asked it here

 

[arabella]

~Right. Following on what Trojan says I am asking: Have I ended this situation?

The Yi says: Hexagram 20.1.2.6 becoming Hexagram 60

Hmmmm. How does this relate to a childish view, a womans's "constancy" or something more noble [a higher perspective?] -- I suppose ? ?

 

[Trojina]

~Right. Following on what Trojan says I am asking: Have I ended this situation?

The Yi says: Hexagram 20.1.2.6 becoming Hexagram 60

Hmmmm. How does this relate to a childish view, a womans's "constancy" or something more noble [a higher perspective?] -- I suppose ? ?

Heh...I dare not repeat the theory of lines 1 and 6 moving.....but anyway this thing has its limits and you are viewing (20) the entire limits of the situation. You are contemplating (20) articulating, defining the limits of the relationship but I'd say there still is a choice of whether this is ended or not...I don't think you have made anything end in any kind of final way. This was far more an act of viewing (20) and choosing (60) what you want


Sometimes lines 1 and 6 moving does show a cycle completed, an episode to be moved on from...in this case perhaps the whole thing was for you to come to view and articulate what your limits are. It was something you needed to do for yourself

But typically Yi is not fortelling much here but more where you are at. Personally I don't think you closed or ended anything prematurely unless it really needed to be...becasue line 6 shows one having a pretty good view of this...and you have travelled in this situation from the naivity of a child in 20.1 and 20.2 to the wider self knowlege in 20.6


Heres a thread thats interesting on lines 1 and 6 moving..which I seem to keep linking to lately...probably becasue i really like Tizianos understandings and i give my own there too though less well formulated http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=11784

See you travelled the whole gamut of hex 20 here in one swoop...you learned alot, its seems to me you excersized good judgement....but you didn't make anything end


Heh however you want to know in effect 'is it ended'....you know you never made anything end in any destructive way but how this impacts on the other we don't know....You asked this in a roundabout way and got 61.1.5>4 again this doesn't look like any kind of final cut off point thought 61.1 can be experienced as abruptness from another IMO...61.5 shows goodness and understanding between people so.......

So far it doesn't seem especially like a final cut off point



BTW if this is the same person you got 49 about this would seem consonant with that reading. This thing needs to change fundamentally and that may involve a complete break for a while ....maybe you facilitated the 49 here but rest assured it is timely ( and would have happened anyway) not the result of any negative behaviour on your part becasue none of these readings indicate that at all

 

[rodaki]

.....but anyway this thing has its limits and you are viewing (20) the entire limits of the situation. You are contemplating (20) articulating, defining the limits of the relationship but I'd say there still is a choice of whether this is ended or not...I don't think you have made anything end in any kind of final way. This was far more an act of viewing (20) and choosing (60) what you want


Sometimes lines 1 and 6 moving does show a cycle completed, an episode to be moved on from...in this case perhaps the whole thing was for you to come to view and articulate what your limits are. It was something you needed to do for yourself

But typically Yi is not fortelling much here but more where you are at. Personally I don't think you closed or ended anything prematurely unless it really needed to be...becasue line 6 shows one having a pretty good view of this...and you have travelled in this situation from the naivity of a child in 20.1 and 20.2 to the wider self knowlege in 20.6

I like the way T has sketched this out really and I get the feeling that that was something that you were aware of at the moment of speaking up Arabella . . my thought on this was that Yi was asking you back as in -have I ended it?, Yi: well, what did you say, what limits did you set? . . isn't your answer there already?

don't have much more to add really, also like T's comments on 61 and 49 (although I can't remember the 49 reading, probably have to go back and check)

 

[arabella]

What Trojan is saying is dead-on. Suddenly the lights came on in my brain and I was seeing the whole situation from end to end and saying, whatever is happening here, I'm done. It was Hex 20 with a vengeance.

This has to change and I'm changing it. Not that I'm angry, I just feel that I'm not hearing the whole story for whatever reason. He may have heavy responsibilities, or other relationship plans, but he's just not clear and I'm not waiting to hear more about it. I've had enough of this giant "fuzzball" of his feelings and what he does with them.

So I wrote to him and said what I thought in what I felt were abrupt but honest terms -- we don't need to see each other, whatever you've got of mine, just give it to my relatives who live over the road and that saves you coming into town [where I live]. Have a nice time in London.

It was a way out for him. He doesn't have to come here anymore. If needing to deliver things to me was an excuse to come by, it has been eliminated. Unless he wants to be very clear about why we are getting together -- we aren't. I looked on that as an ending. Maybe he didn't.

But after clearing the air I feel loads better. If he's got something else on the burner, including another relationship, he can just continue with that. His only way back with me is to blaze a whole new trail -- it's Hex 49 time. Trojan was right on that one too.

 

[arabella]

Moving this up the list, next to the hexagram 49 thread. If anyone answers my new casting on the hexgram 49 thread, these really belong together!