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Hi. I have "environmental illness"--am not able to tolerate housing with any mold issues or typical chemical toxins, and have been having trouble finding safe housing, and was thinking of building (myself and my partner left NY last year, and since have been somewhat homeless, and checked out climates in several southern states. But every time I try a longterm hotel or a rental of a house, I don't tolerate the mold or toxins in typical places and can't stay well).

Earlier this year maybe six months ago I asked the I Ching and basically got an answer to expect only small successes, not to rush into anything, and to go around obstacles the way water does. I made a cross country trip anyway which didn't work out too well.

I just asked again, and I got hexagram 36 with NO MOVING LINES. I've never gotten NO moving lines. So obviously the situation is pretty static and unchanging right now and that doesn't seem too fortuitous, to get darkening of the light.

Would anyone have new interpretations to add except that this difficulty is going to go on for a while, and that I'm going to continue to be "injured" by toxic housing for the time being or will not make real progress in my goal to find the right place to settle, buy land and build nontoxic housing? The I Ching has not been too encouraging this year, on this question, but otoh, it has been right.
 

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36 is a good omen for someone in deep hardship. You have to be patient. It also indicates an illness very hard to diagnose that needs further investigation. 36 says persevere. Mold is very dangerous, and you ought to investigate specifically what the mold is affecting in your body. There may be a remedy to the mold through catering to the body systems it is affecting.
 

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you don't say exactly what your question was? that might shed light on what the answer means (no pun intended). did you ask about what to do? where to live? or about the toxins themselves?

36 could have so many interpretations, it is hard to say.

you may have already been-there-done-that re: "cures"....but I will just share that I recently moved into a home where I could smell the mold initially. It is very damp environment, many trees and growth outside generate moisture, and the structure old but well tended. in the first two weeks, I thought I would have to move, since I got this horrible headache ( I have never had headaches and this one was fierce. after three days of it, i even went to the emergency room, I was in such agony. )

since then I installed air fresheners ( the air smells clean now ) ...I use other products made under a company name called DAMP-RID which absorb moisture through some kind of crystalline substance and the moisture gathers in a bag you throw away when full. I also use fire, in the form of candles and a fireplace. I also take an ayurvedic supplement called Shilajit- not specifically for these issues, but provides stronger immunity defense. all this FWIW! My headache went away completely and I feel very healthy.

36 isnt necessarily gloomy. could be mirroring the fact that the mold and chemicals are beneath the scenes.
or that your illness is caused by an underlying condition.
or maybe that you must simply deal with this injured condition for a time, while seeking answers that have yet to be found by you, but which are discoverable.

air purifiers are very helpful, and certain ones handle specific toxins or multiple ones; the purifiers doing the best over-all job being the most pricey, but well worth it, if it brings relief.

good luck with this.
 

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Hi, I asked what was the best approach to finding safe healthy nontoxic housing.

I'm glad you feel better but keep watch for any health issues. Air purifiers aren't a solution for me as I'm too reactive. Regular mold is allergenic to me and toxic mold makes me really ill. We are in a friend's house now and it's for sure got toxic mold and she has health issues that may be impacted by it who knows. We will leave in a few days as I'm so badly affected. But even regular mold bothers me causing congestion and wheezing.
 

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In the case of that question, the response of 36 might be to strengthen your immune system. the human body is resilient and can adapt to circumstances. that is a metaphor for 36 , or 36 could be seen as a metaphor for that. in the hexagram, the prince was rather trapped in circumstances that threatened him. his response was to acknowledge that he was surrounded by forces that he had no control over and to strengthen his inner resources.
 

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"I asked what was the best approach to finding safe healthy nontoxic housing." -> 36

there is no approach at time for you.. to find a place where you can live nicely.

hex 36 is bad for marriage.... your finding of the right place is like a marriage for you... since when you'll find it... you will probably never left it.

a way is to build self your home! you can test on you... under medical control any material to use for the house.... from wood..... to carpet... paper, nail metal etc.
obviously you must also test... the ground, vegetation, rain water.. etc
forced ventilation system with filters for outside air that enter, aspirator system to filter-out particles in the environment.

another investigative way is to compare all things that are in common with the from you visited location. probably there you will find an answer for your problem.

"environmental illness" is very generic... you must think that part of the environment are also the sun light and the temperature. this 2 factor alone can activate in you or something around you... responsible for your status!

hope to help

PS: hi bamboo :)
 

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btw... trying to see hex 36 as an image of something...in this case a geographic region.... let me think about Alaska... a cold wet place, with a short summer.

analyzing hex 36... given by the trigrams kun and li

Li represent: sun and fire but also the summer and eye

kun represent: night and ground but also autumn and belly

well.... a place were fire is under the earth(li under kun), warm(fire) & wet(eye) but not to cold(early summer, autumn)... where the forces of nature are at work inside(belly):

1)Island
or a country like it.... or as second choice a place like
2)Hawaii
more warmer!
 
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Patro, I just saw your answers, which are very wise. Thank you! Hope you read this.

I decided to build my own home--that's right! Just as you say. Test everything.
I also think building my inner spiritual and immune system is smart. But the easiest way to strengthen my immune system is in a healthy area. So we are camping out this week...it helps...to detox from the unhealthy homes/hotels etc. In a nice area.

I agree an island would be great, but I don't have the leeway to go to Hawaii or even Puerto Rico. Or Orca's island. However sun and summer really do heal me, that's interesting.

Thank you all...I guess I just have to surrender in some way to the circumstances until they change. I was emailing with a woman who is doing the same, she and hubby are building a safe home. It rained so much this year where they live, that all they could do was put the slab down. They haven't had good enough weather to build.
 

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Hi,

I didn't mean Island or Hawaii... just because they're islands.... I meant Island as isle and nation and Hawaii because this 2 islands have in common... fire under the earth, intense volcanic activity.... but still 2 lovely place where 2 live.

you also say that the ..."sun and summer really do heal me"
why do you not try a 1 week holiday in Hawaii?

Patro
 

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This is just my idea, not an interpretation of the reading, but could you move someplace hot and dry, like the desert southwest? You said you tried "several southern states," but I don't know if you meant hot dry places or hot humid places.

36 unchanging...I agree with the others it could mean many things. It could simply (and rather too obviously to be helpful :brickwall:) mean that "the best approach to finding safe healthy nontoxic housing" is to move somewhere that does not make you sick. (One thing unchanging hexagrams can mean, if I understand correctly, is the opposite of their stated meaning. So if hex 36 has to do with "Wounding" - things you have to hide from because they hurt you - then 36 unchanging could mean things that don't hurt you.)

Or, 36 unchanging in the sense of "Darkening of the Light" (Wilhelm-Baynes) could mean, in this case, "someplace that isn't dark" - a sunny place. (Which I suppose could mean a whole sunny climate, or merely a house that's not in the woods or that doesn't have a dark moldy basement.)

Did the reading from 6 months ago involve hexagram 57? Your description sounded like it. This is way way out on a limb, but I just looked up hex 57 and saw that the Chinese word for it is "Sun." That has nothing to do with its actual meaning of course! Do you know if you were using a translation that even provided the Chinese word "Sun" when you were interpreting that reading?

(For emphasis, I have never heard anywhere that it's valid to interpret like that, merely because a Chinese word happens to be the same as an English word. It was just noticeable because of what you're asking about.)
 

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Hi Lisa, Patros.
Late last June I asked the question, "How can I approach finding a nontoxic, healthy living situation?" Perhaps in retrospect not the best phrased question.
I got 29, with four moving lines, moving to 36. Not too promising, but very accurate as I look back. And I had not remembered the specifics, but I sent it all to a friend in an email, so I just found it on my gmail. So it seems a bit uncanny that the situation was moving to 36, and now it *is* 36 unchanging.

Now for a third time tonight since I'm slowly shifting myself toward the idea I sooner or later have to buy land in the appropriate place and build, I asked, How can I best approach finding land in a healthy place and building?"
Although there are obstacles, it's clearly a more positive reading. It is 39 moving to 8 (third line moving). I interpret this as, for now I have to retreat, and then I have to unify people in my cause. I have to be strong at the core and a leader to do this. I assume this would be the people I involve in locating land and building a house. That is truly a team.
So it seems I should go in this direction, but not immediately, which is how I feel at the moment, because I will probably head back east to Florida or Georgia to safe b&b or hotel as I have a # of projects that have to be done. And then maybe look for land but more seriously in my next break from projects.

Re: the desert. Well, the high desert I don't think would work for me anymore. I think high altitude would not be good for me, and though I used to love it, given my current health, I even found myself uncomfortable at 4000 feet in Las Cruces in early June.
Re: the other parts of the desert, I have twice headed towards Tucson and freaked out and made us turn back. My partner says he won't go a third time because it's very clear I don't feel I should live in Arizona. There are two "safe" rentals there built by MCS folks. But I get this wall of fear. There is a lot of valley fever in Arizona, and I don't want to risk it. I'm not sure why else I should avoid it but I've learned to listen to that kind of reaction, because when I ignore it, I get in trouble.

Any more thoughts very much appreciated!
 
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Hi Lisa, Patros.
Late last June I asked the question, "How can I approach finding a nontoxic, healthy living situation?" Perhaps in retrospect not the best phrased question.
I got 29, with four moving lines, moving to 36. Not too promising, but very accurate as I look back. And I had not remembered the specifics, but I sent it all to a friend in an email, so I just found it on my gmail. So it seems a bit uncanny that the situation was moving to 36, and now it *is* 36 unchanging.

Now for a third time tonight since I'm slowly shifting myself toward the idea I sooner or later have to buy land in the appropriate place and build, I asked, How can I best approach finding land in a healthy place and building?"
Although there are obstacles, it's clearly a more positive reading. It is 39 moving to 8 (third line moving). I interpret this as, for now I have to retreat, and then I have to unify people in my cause. I have to be strong at the core and a leader to do this. I assume this would be the people I involve in locating land and building a house. That is truly a team.
So it seems I should go in this direction, but not immediately, which is how I feel at the moment, because I will probably head back east to Florida or Georgia to safe b&b or hotel as I have a # of projects that have to be done. And then maybe look for land but more seriously in my next break from projects.

Re: the desert. Well, the high desert I don't think would work for me anymore. I think high altitude would not be good for me, and though I used to love it, given my current health, I even found myself uncomfortable at 4000 feet in Las Cruces in early June.
Re: the other parts of the desert, I have twice headed towards Tucson and freaked out and made us turn back. My partner says he won't go a third time because it's very clear I don't feel I should live in Arizona. There are two "safe" rentals there built by MCS folks. But I get this wall of fear. There is a lot of valley fever in Arizona, and I don't want to risk it. I'm not sure why else I should avoid it but I've learned to listen to that kind of reaction, because when I ignore it, I get in trouble.

Any more thoughts very much appreciated!

I obtain 39.3>8 once and I cleary remember the situation, there is an obstacle in your way that is cleary seriously...but it is possible to solve it, you can and you will get a help from somebody and following his advice or help will lead right to succes.
Advancing now in your old course will lead to certain failure...
 

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Hi, sorry I've taken so long to reply. Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas as to what 29.1.2.3.5 > 36 or 39.3 > 8 are telling you. If there are clues in those readings as to how you could successfully approach things, I can't recognize them.

Hex 29 does have the sense of "Repeated Danger" - multiple dangers. That sounds like a direct reference to your condition, so it seems to be on topic, but I don't know what the advice is.

On the off chance that hex 29 ("Chasms") was referring to the Grand Canyon (!), I looked up the elevation. South rim: around 6,800 feet. North rim: around 8,000 feet. (From here.) Clearly way too high for you.

Is the Texas/Oklahoma area too much like Arizona? (I'm just pulling things from the air now. I've never lived in the south or west and I know nothing about it.)

The amount of moving around you seem to have done, in search of tolerable living conditions, is just mind-boggling. I hope you find a solution soon. Best wishes.
 

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