Hi (first post)

[maremaria]

I could say how funny it is reading this "exchange" after all i read about in the another thread and 13.4 but seems its a waste of time.

There is a nice button next to Post #. I felt to use it. Hilary will take care of it

Going out to have a cigaret. Second day of rescrictions here. Have to reconsider my priorities.

Maria

 

[willowfox]

As for being 'forum cop' shame someone isn't when we have a 'forum terrorist' but it ain't my problem cos it ain't my forum but I would like to be able to read other ideas about readings.....though i doubt I'll be able to much longer, not with the unified force of 'Willboo' or maybe "Willbam" patrolling the area to make sure 'esoteric' methods aren't allowed

I remember you hounding me to hell and back when I introduced a system of timing into my readings, a few years ago, you never ever let up on me, you and that twit jesed.

Now I'm classified by you as the forum's official terrorist! and how prey tell does this remarkable piece of information help with the question about going to the auction?

Nothing you have said is either helpful or constructive, you are just venting your anger at me yet again!

And now you are attacking Bamboo as well. So who else is on your hit list?

 

[em ching]

Just to say something about the original question.
I've come across two different systems of reading multiple moving lines, but I too have found this method illogical, but then that is my instinct. And others may feel more comfortable with other ways because it lends for something clearer cut to grasp.
The reason is because, if getting four lines in 14 means that you should disregard them, then why didn't the querent just get 63.1?
Also, perhaps there had to be many moving lines in 14, purely so it could be paired to hex 63 - to indicate the balanced state of your current/ potential 'possessions' but of course a need to maintain them...
But I think you should read the changing lines in hex 14 as perhaps elements present in the situation.. maybe 63.1 is also purposefully highlighted to be considered - but it could equally be a means to an end. Hmm...

:bows:

 

[willowfox]

The querent's answer was Hex 14 and some lines, therefore the lines must be of some importance and it seems to me to be completely crazy just to disregard them in favour of an obscure line in hex 63.

I don't care who's method this is to disregard the first hex, it does not make the slightest bit of sense. Does anyone see the logic in this exotic method of just jumping to some little line in the following hex? I think Chu Si was drunk at the time.

 

[bamboo]

Also, perhaps there had to be many moving lines in 14, purely so it could be paired to hex 63 - to indicate the balanced state of your current/ potential 'possessions' but of course a need to maintain them...

:bows:

this is one of the ways I have found yi readings to play out at times....the pairing of the two hexagrams being more impt then specific lines:bows:

 

[hilary]

My feelings about Chu Hsi's method is much the same as Em Ching's, but it is still good to have this place enriched by a view from a different method. But anyway... poor old Bourrique has probably fled, and it's 28 degrees C here, I should be preparing a reading for the Yijing Class, and grmph.

People who continue to post personal attacks on this thread (or other non-Open-Space threads) will get a well-deserved week off. If I miss one, someone please report the post.

 

[zhan1]

Hi bourrique,

Buying a flat (at auction or otherwise) certainly qualifies as a big decision, however having to bid against other prospective buyers complicates things just a bit, since you really don't have much control of the process and you may very well be outbid. Hexagram 14 does seem auspicious, but I think line 4 is indicating that in this case you're just not in a position to be able to make this work to your advantage. Hexagram 63 in the background reflects that you are striving towards a goal, but haven't quite reached it yet.

 

[bourrique]

... poor old Bourrique has probably fled...grmph.

No, still here Hilary. Still reading.
A bit like an auction room, tee hee!
But anyway, thanks everyone, and please continue. It is honestly helpful.

I've always read the second hexagram up to but not including the lines, as it says to do somewhere in Wilhelm/Baynes.

For me the I Ching has been amazingly clear or it has been completely opaque. E.g. around 1981 I lost a large cheque in a small town in France and panic-stricken I drew 51.2. I literally laughed for joy and relaxed immediately and visibly to my girlfriend who was astonished because of the huge improbability. I knew all I had to do was wait. And, lo and behold, my cheque was brought 'to my door' seven days later.
But I digress; this new divination seems clear to the point of actually depicting the auction room and an auction in progress with a guardian angel at my side. Even 63.1 seems to continue with the portrayal of an auction "...does not allow himself to be infected by the general intoxication but checks his course in time. He may indeed not remain altogether untouched by the disastrous consequences of the general pressure, but he is hit only from behind like a fox that, having crossed the water, at the last minute gets its tail wet. He will not suffer any real harm, because his behavior has been correct"

(someone said they guessed I had never been to China. Can't imagine why. Well, whoever said that, If you're not in China I bet there are more Chinese closer to me right now than to you. Oh, and I am at home, where I've lived for 11 years.)

 

[my_key]

I did consult this week for a big decision (buying a flat at auction) and received H14 L2,4,5,6

Hello bourrique

A bit of a baptism of fire for your first post. Remember though that you have walked into a storm that has been brewing on and off for quite a while.

The changing lines for me are all important they tell different parts of the story. Yes, of course you can miss out a page, or place more emphasis on one paragraph rather than another however the story really comes to life when it's read in all its glory. Warts and all.

so for your oracle, one story could be:

14 - You already knew what you were going to do, had a plan, before you went to the auction.
14.2 - If you stand by your plan there were not going to be any problems for you.
14.4 - You have a choice during the bidding to get carried away with the excitement or stay calm and focused on what you want to do, not what someone else is trying to do.
14.5 - Sticking to your plan will avoid you being frozen out of the bidding or getting carried away in the heat of the moment.
14.6 - With this approach you can be in possession of the auction rather than it being in possession of you.
63 - Things could go either way - It's all down to how you want it to work out.

Mike

 

[willowfox]

(someone said they guessed I had never been to China. Can't imagine why. Well, whoever said that, If you're not in China I bet there are more Chinese closer to me right now than to you. Oh, and I am at home, where I've lived for 11 years.)

No, I mentioned in passing that twilight had never been to China, nothing at all about you.

I am not in China but I can safely bet you that I have many, many more Chinese living near me than you have.

 

[bamboo]

In re-reading this thread, I see that twilight did not in fact imply that his method was the only one, only a method worth looking at. actually in re-reading his initial words they sound rather polite. and I am glad you were not put off by the exchanges, bourrique.

 

[hilary]

My fault - I continue the discussion on this thread, of course people ignore what I say and do as I do. Fair enough. I'm going to move a bunch of recent posts over to a new thread on Open Space.

Edit: here they are:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8179
Please continue this discussion on the new thread.