How can I open up my 3rd eye?

[shaoqi]

I got Hex 62"Little Exceeding" changing into Hex 52"Keeping Still", moving lines 4 & 6.

MY primary Hex is showing difficulty in being able to open up my 3rd eye(which is my current situation). Also says not appropiate to assend, appropiate to descend.

Moving lines indicate be on guard against over reacting and trying to reach beyond my grasp.

So my primary hex an moving lines indicate my difficulty in trying to open up my 3rd eye an to not do so but to descend in accord with the time.

My Relating Hex is 52"Keeping Still"

Mountain on top of mountain, an mountain symbolizes meditation(keeping still). Keeping still is preparing oneself for new advance.

So its clear hear that meditation(keeping still) is the key to opening up my third eye. This answer I allready knew, I have been meditating trying to open it up, now im wondering why I asked the question, its obvious the Yi says just continue to meditate an it will happen when the times right. I have noticed sometimes we ask questions when we allready truely know the answer but are being ignorant to the fact.

1...shaolin

 

[megabobbby]

prying open your third eye

hex 62--little things seem to be a big deal
hex 52--natural 'chill' state

at your natural chill state your third eye is already open and this may seem like a big deal but actually it comes real natural to you

 

[shaoqi]

Megabobby thank you, I never thought of it that way. So when my mind is calm(my chill state) then my 3rd eye is actually open? I allways ask people how do I know I have opened it but they say "Oh you'll just know" an thats no help.

My g/f allways talks about her 3rd eye an of opening it an such how she percives the truth through a whole different level.

Megabobby, what translation do you use for IChing?

thx...shao

 

[megabobbby]

everything that passes in front of your face and in your world is there for you. every action-non action,symbol,color,being, is in a synchronistic dance for your pleasure. all you gotta do is open your eye(s).

wilhelm version--helps you see how your true will is limitless and perfect and that the universe nourishes you even more for knowing this. every atom in every being and object is going towards it's own unique bliss. that is the natural movement of everything. fear and mistrust are just illusions and weakness---and beings (whether they consciously know it or not) naturally flow with this stream. ----you get to be yang and put your own creativity and dreams into the universe---and be yin and go with the flow--and all kinds of manner in between.

the eranos version--this will give you like the chinese version word for word translated into english...and then you find that there is so much symbolism in the words and multiple meanings.
like "joy" also kind of is symbolic of "open" or openness. these multiple meanings of states of being and emotions you don't really learn in mainstream america...and it kind of rips the universe wide open and gives you lots more options to play with.

i think one of the guys that did the eranos translation talks on the board.

but looking back---get the wilhelm translation--cause otherwise (in my case) the first few years you might blow off using the yi for being for the tao---which might get the stuff you want consciously at that minute---but learning about the tao makes it way more stronger

 

[malka]

"everything that passes in front of your face and in your world is there for you. every action-non action, symbol, color, being,is in a synchronistic dance for your pleasure. all you gotta do is open your eye(s)."

Lovely. Thank you.

 

[anita]

I think there is no way to open the third eye - and keep it permanently open - except through the Ceremony in my temple. The ceremony has an ancient heritage and enlightened souls like the Buddha and Bodhidharma and Lao Tzu and Confucius underwent it. It is not some cult or religion. It is the very source of Buddhism.

The third eye is the true door of the soul and once it is open, the soul exits through it at death and reunites with its divine origin - without this it is impossible to do so. This is what I have learned on this path and I have seen proof of this divine exit of the soul in those who have died after receiving the ceremony. There is no rigor mortis, the body is extremely light and flexible - so much so that octors have been called in to re-confirm death. There is absolute peace and radiance on the face in death.

But this is just one of the signs of the truth of this ceremony. There are many other effects of opening the Third Eye. I know many paths claim to do so, but I don't think that is possible without the divine touch of the meishi. Perhaps the chakra itself may be stimulated, but cannot be opened once it closes with our first breath as newborns.

However, i am not here to argue about my beliefs with anyone. This is what I have believed for 6 years and it has transformed my life for the better. I hope some day you Shaoqi can obtain it. It is not easy to obtain at all, which is why so few people in the world have undergone it.

Best for your Quest

 

[shaoqi]

Anita & Megabody thx for your imput.

Cool, currently I only have The Complete I Ching by Alfred Huang but I just ordered "The I Ching or Book of Changes" by Wilhelm/Bynes and also "Total I Ching:Myths for Change" by Stephen Karcher from amazon, cant wait to get these text, they will give me alot to play with.

1...shaolin

 

[candid]

If I open my third eye will I need tri-focals? Or maybe I won't need the other two? Can it see in the dark? Will I still ask questions of Yi if I see though it?

Isn't the third eye just intuition and an awareness of Oneness?

 

[midaughter]

Hexagram 62, the bird that flies too high means that this practice is at this time too advanced for you. Bless the Yi to keep you safe. Don't ignore this advice-it is a dangerous practice for the beginner. One should start with the heart energy...

Sun

 

[shaoqi]

Sunpuerh,

What exactly is a heart energy meditation, do i just focuss all my qi around my heart(and or in)?

thx...1....shaolin

 

[gene]

Shaoqi

I agree that 62 says that the practice is too high for you at this time. hexagram 52 indicates that you can start by working on meditation. When your meditative abilities are highly developed, then you can go onto higher spiritual activities. In the western world (and you may not be from the western world) we tend to do everything as if it is just like doing jumping jacks or something simple. There is no concept of building up, and doing something that can only be done by people who are ready for it. It is often assumed here that if one person does something and it works, anyone who does the exact same thing will have the exact same results. On higher level spiritual disciplines that is just not true, you have to be the right person.

Gene

 

[midaughter]

The heart energy is associated with the practice of compassion. As a meditation it is found in the book Universal Compassion by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. I see that Anita and the Zen Buddhists also practice it-actually the compassion meditations are the basis of Mayahana Buddhism. The course is taught by most Buddhist sects. The heart energy has the most positive attributes and the most far reaching results. On the other had the third eye is capable of destruction, both to self and others.

 

[yellowblue]

Sun,
Won't the energy that comes through the 6th chakra be positive or negative depending on the state/level of the heart?

The heart energy can be "dark" as well as "light"...

"white or black 'magic'" or energy.

Deb

 

[joang]

Anita, Sun, et al...
Maybe this has nothing to do with anything, but I have been wondering, and thought you might know if there is anything to it.

All my life I have had a reddish spot that appears occasionally on my forehead between my eyebrows. I have no idea what makes it appear, but when it does people invariably notice and ask me what it is. I always jokingly reply, "That's my third eye." I don't really believe that's what it is, since I haven't practiced any of the above-mentioned rituals or suchlike. But I wonder if it might signify the potentiality of a third eye. Or am I just being silly to even think it? Feel free to speak your mind.

Namaste,
Joan

 

[anita]

Hi Shao,

First, my interpretation is different. 62 is about reaching too high and 52 is about giving up the thought and keeping still. As I said in my post, it's impossible to open the Third Eye except through the ceremony I mention.

Sun,

The energy from the open third eye is certainly not destructive in my case or in the cases of those who have undergone the ceremony to open it. Quite the contrary. as for the meditation, on my path we don't believe in meditation as such. According to us it is one way to spiritual awareness that had its place in the past but no longer required for this era. However, we are taught a special meditation technique but not encouraged to do this for more than ten minutes when away from the protective environment of the temple. I am told that unless your level is very high, you attract the entities from inferior levels when you meditate. This is why you see such a lot of delusion and mental disturbances in regular meditators - at least I know such cases. Our way of enlightenment does not rely on meditation. Rather, it relies on practice of the Way of Heaven - being vegetarian and avoiding creating bad karma through thought and action. The meditation we sometimes do does not come from any scripture and is unique to this path. But we do refer to the heart dharma a lot - not in the sense of any scripture but in the context of the heart transmission. Without words. The Buddha holding up the flower instead of speaking and Bodhi Dharma mentioning this heart transmission without words.

Joan, I really don't think the third eye manifests itself in physical reality. It hasn't with me!

Best for your Quest
Anita

 

[shaoqi]

Anita,

Can you tell me more about this ceremony? I'm really interested.

thx again...shao



Thank You!

 

[anita]

Hi Shao,

Some of my articles on Kyudo are very much here on the discussion forum. I'll have to look up the name of the thread though. Maybe someone here can point you to it. I've already explained the basics though. I know two places where you can undergo the ceremony - in the US and right here in Bangalore, India.

Best for your Quest

Anita

 

[arien]

Hi Anita,
I've been reading your comments on the ceremony with interest, but although I admire your conviction, I must say that I cant accept your statement that it is "the only way". In my opinion, nor you nor anyone can certify such absolute dogmas, and if there was a "single" way, from which everybody had reached that state (like you say the Buddha and Jesus did), I pretty much doubt that it would be some sort of ritual, much less one that is practice only in a couple of places in the world, and I suspect, not free of charge.
Actually I feel that goes pretty much against all instructions of the Buddha, like following no dogma and no ritual. Not to mention taking anything for granted.

I also find it amusing to see this interest in "opening the 3rd eye". First of all, the 3rd eye is already open, otherwise we wouldnt be reasoning and wouldnt have intuition. Second, I suspect that what people want in openning the 3rd eye, is not really some sort of spiritual enhancement (they might open their heart isntead for better results), but some sort of paranormal powers they were mislead into thinking they would get (not that they cant, only that they shouldnt be motivated by that).

There is no way to balance the chakras, be it the ajna or whatever, that doesnt involve (proper) meditation, but I think that before one wants to open the 3rd eye, one should focus on getting clearsighted from the other two.

Alex

 

[midaughter]

Dear Anitaj, Shaqi and all . I believe that all candidates for third eye practice must be approved and empowered in certain other practices, such as yours, I suppose. Also I see this done under the tutelage of a master. If these conditions were met and strictly observed, of course, there would less of a problem because the necessary perliminaries are being observed.

I love the idea of the transmission of the teaching without words, so elegant! In my own tradition we must be empowered (traditionally we should also be deemed suitable by the lineage holder-obviously mentally ill and so forth are not advised to do this path. Also we are careful to screen in an informal way today in third eye practice but we allow everyone to open the heart. The ceremony itself is the culmination of the idea and practice of ultimate bodichitta-the spontaneous (heavily emphasis on 'spontaneous') wish to achieve enlightenment for the sake of others and the vow never to leave the earthy plane until all other all other beings have achieve enlightenment. When your heart energy is that good, you have achieved the right to go on to the higher chakras.
Yes, Shoqi the energy transmitted by the third can be positive or negative depending on the state of the person doing the practice.
I find the third capable of riotious, lush visions, even lurid and sexually wild, dark and penetrating. I find them troublesome and too strong-of course, a reflection on me an my mental state at the time. Once the eye is open you will attract many strange beings-IME.

My expeerience points out that When the third eye opens before the aspirant has achieved the mental discipline of meditation and selfless giving this inherent instability of the mind clouded by desires may tranlate into the person attracting harmful enegies as well as doing harm to others. My own visions are not harmful just exhausting and I seem to at times lack the strenth to control the dream-almost a necessity in third eye practice.

In Hindu tradition there is large yearly festival where a tantric sacrifice )(the receipe for this dish includes almond, garam marsala, and, frankly - marijuana of the highest grade) But back to the sacrifice - this offering is to ask Lord Shiva, the god of death and recreation NOT to destroy the world with his third eye.

Ancient cultures have acknowleged this possibilty .. You will not find too much discussion of this in dharma centers perhaps because they feel it better not to tell people this a mondern practice I disapprove of.

Sun

 

[anita]

Hi Arien,

One of our great masters, Confucius (reviled for his practice by many of his followers as well as the masses) said that one is not a true cultivator unless one is laughed at and reviled.

I do not wish to enter into an argument with you or with anyone else over my spiritual path. When I find out from Guruji in which particular sutra the Buddha has mentioned the Ceremony as equal to 100 years of meditation and penance,(which he has) I will let you know.

Sun, That is just the problem with the third eye concept - this hoo haa over Shiva's third eye. It is not the same thing at all. If it were, I would have destroyed the world many times over by now!
Besides Shiva's (who we also pray to) third eye is all about destroying the evil and evil is what we destroy within ourselves when we have our third eye opened. And when we do that, the negativity around us is destroyed too.

Best for your Quest

Anita

 

[arien]

Dear Anita,

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Please do, Im not saying that you are wrong, either, much less trying to ridicule you

I was just trying to figure out what that ceremony is actually about, since you've written at length about its wonders and I still dont have a clue

Oh forget it, Im not worthy of the company of such peers

Sorry if I upset you, it wasnt my intention. I too stand strongly for my beliefs, whenever I can find what they are.
I wish you wisdom to recognise your path and strength to follow it

 

[candid]

Anita, I really enjoyed your comments about Shiva's eye destroying the evil within us. Its like inner conviction; our all-seeing eye.

Arien seemed to make it clear that he admired your conviction, but also that he himself did not support any absolutes as far as this way or that.

Arien, hope you stick around. We're all pretty strong minded around here (if not sometimes bullheaded), so you should soon fit right in.

C

 

[anita]

Arien, no hard feelings. There never is with me any more since I began practising. So I feel no grudge or resentment. was just stating a fact that's all which I always recall when others find my beliefs strange. I believe that the true measure of a path or relationship, or in fact anything else is the way it changes our lives for the better. And that this path has very much done. I have followed no other paths before except the one of casual magic. Once again Arien, no hard feelings and I'm glad you find what I have to say interesting.

Candid, thanks.

Best for your Quest

Anita

 

[arien]

I find it interesting because of the enthusiasm you show. It makes me think.

But I still havent understood what exactly has the ceremony (assume that you mean like in "Zen in the Art of Archery", by Eugen Herrigel?) to do with the Buddha and Jesus and everyone that has opened the 3rd eye

 

[midaughter]

The image of hexagram is a bird, represented by the two yang lines and the wings, represented by the outer yin lines. The bird flies to high for its capabilities and thus flies into danger. This hexagram is often received when inquiring about a proposed spiritual practice.

Unequivoacally, without any doubt whatsoever, the Yi has said that opening the third eye is too advanced for the querent and the querent invites difficulties. This hexagram is very useful in plotting the where-do-I-go-next and what-do-I- want-to-learn-now. When you receive this hexagram, do not go there just yet, find something that works for you and gives you increase.

Best,

Sun

 

[anita]

Arien,

If you've read all my posts (and there are several on this subject in various threads), you'll know that this ceremony is very ancient and pre-dates religion. It is the very source of religion, but not a religion itself. The Buddha and Christ received this same ceremony only after which they began to preach and created religion.
This ceremony was not available to the ordianry in ancient times like it is today. There are no scriptures on this path. And it involves the opening of the third eye and has nothing to do with archery.

Best

Anita

 

[arien]

Anita,

Yes I read most of what you wrote about it, and still I realize Im just seeing a part of the picture
Its probably none of my business, and I dont want to sound like I disaprove, quite the contrary, Im happy that you found ways to fulfill your live, and if anything I envy your faith
My point is not the ceremony pere se, but a mere warning against excessive faith on whatever external solution, something Im sure even your Guru must agree. I dont want to challenge your beliefs but I cant help fearing that you putting so much faith in something exterior, be it what may, can be just a way of avoiding searching for it inside yourself
Appart from that I think you should pursue what you feel is your way, and Im sure you wont give it two thoughts about what some "yidiot" has to say
Just keep in mind this particular yidiot wasnt badly intended

 

[gene]

One aspect of 62 is building a foundation, a base of operations so to speak. Until the foundation has been built the superstructure cannot stand. If the bird flies too high, it is not near its nest. In its nest it has an element of protection, and cannot so easily be assailed. Here, I would recommend part of its meaning is, "first things first." Start with a very strong foundation. The beginning steps on any quest I believe is to build up strong internal energy, or life force. Without that, the things we attempt to do will not manifest in the ways we want them to.

Gene

 

[anita]

Hi Arien, thanks for your concern. If this was something external I was following it wouldn't have made me a better person or improved the way and circumstances in which i live. This is not a cult and yes, Guruji always speaks about not looking for answers externally. But the opening of the third eye connects one directly with the divinity WITHIN and most of my answers have come from this Source, not Guruji. I find that what solutions I come to and what Guruji advises are the same anyway, and that's because I'm in touch with my inner being.

I don't think one can intimately follow a path for Six years and not find out what it truly is. As I keep saying, this Path was the One the Buddha followed being one of its great Masters and so did Confucius and Lao Tzu among others. I'm in good company. If they could trust this path, so can I.

Best for your Quest
Anita

 

[arien]

Dear Anita,

I honestly wish you the very best for your quest as well, and I leave you with an advice that you probably wont take, but then probably you dont need anyway:

forget the "Quest": its here already