How did I misread this???

[seeker]

Ok, so last night my husband (soon to be ex as everyone knows by now) was with his ex-wife and children, they were going to the mall for errands. As we all had to eat, and due to Hurrican Charley none of us have anything in our fridges, I suggested we meet somewhere for dinner. It's weird I know, but we all have a pretty amicable relationship. Anyway, I realized after I hung up that the restaurant I suggested was one that the other person I was involved with frequents, usually on Wed nights. Thinking that would be awkward at best, I asked Yi if I would see him there and got 55 to 24. I took that as a positive reading, that he would be there, I should show some restraint, but that it might also be a turning point or a return in our relationship of some kind. But he wasn't there. Is this a question that Yi cannot answer, did I get an erroneous answer because I did not specify that night, or did I totally miss something??? I must admit this has made me doubt both my abilities to interpret and the reading itself.

Someone said in another thread that the Yi just helps you follow your own intuition. If that is true, then this kind of question would be difficult if not impossible for Yi to answer. Intuition would have to border on psychic ability to know if someone would be at a particular place or not. But then, if that is true, many of the questions I have asked and have seen asked here would have the same difficulty. Yi is like the Tao. Everytime I feel I have a pretty good handle on it, it slips away.

On a somewhat different note, I realized afterwards that I was disappointed he wasn't there. As awkward as it would have been, I very much wanted to see him. It would told me he was ok, still worried about him due to the storm, but in addition to that I want to see his reaction to me. My husband has accused me many times of being in love with X, which I have vehemently denied. I have stated I did not know him long enough or well enough. But then again, after 2 failed marriages, I have come to realize I have no clue as to what love is. I know that when I think about being with him my heart races and I feel a sense of happiness and peace; when I think of not seeing him again my chest gets tight and my stomach hurts. After almost 4 months, I still think about him everyday and I still miss him. Is that love or infatuation? Could Yi help me figure that out? If so, what kind of question would I ask? Sorry, I am still new at this, with miles to go before I sleep

 

[stuart]

I think that the reading refers to your disapointment at not meeting your friend.I think the moving line 3 of 55 refers to an eclipse where you are unable to meet.The fourth moving line speaks of meeting someone.Hexigram 24 is friends visit and a safe return after seven days.Could the reading refer to the recent storm troubles you have just experienced,and an eventual meeting.Sometimes the yi responds to what is uppermost in our mind.
just a thought.

 

[seeker]

I see what you're saying. And yes, that does make sense. I had sent him an email just to see if he was ok, but I know that his area does not have power yet. Perhaps 24 is referring to when he will respond to the email, or to a meeting that will evolve from his receiving it. In this case, I probably saw what I wanted to see. Of course, thats what makes reading for yourself so difficult. It's just not easy to put aside desire and let true intuition take over. I am working on that with my Taoist studies, but I guess I need more practice.

 

[claire]

Seeker, may I ask you if this man still wants you as you do him?
I ask because depending on the answer you can be able to understand better the situation into your heart.
You mentioned ou just realized later that the restaurant you suggested for the meeting with your ex-husband and his ex-wife was the one where you used to meet your ex-lover.
Maybe you are seeking for something that is not already there, seeker. Maybe trying to find a way to reach him. I dont know. But I see that you, even without noticing it, suggested it as a way to meet the man, even if at the time you suggested you werent really aware that you were doing it.
It is concious and unconcious minds, two different forces working into us and in your case working in your situation. Think about this.
I have read your posts, seeker, and even not being expert I realize that you are trying to have your lover back or at least the love sensation you want soo much to feel inside, maybe because you still love him or maybe because you want to feel alive, or both.
I say this because I did the same, seeker.
So I see some known pattern in this.
I honestly feel in my intuitions that you will have the best of all chances with this man, but not now. First you have to seek what you really want, then the rest will follow.
Sorry, this is not a IChing expert talking, this is just a sensitive woman who wants to say some good things in order to help you.
I hope I had not offended you.
Take care and be happy.
I feel the same as you so my words.
I feel kinda lost, Seeker, but I do understand your woman's heart so please think about it.
Dont take offense.
I am also not facing the best of moments in my life. In my case I tell you that for me it is very hard to let go.
I always want back what I lost and was so much trully cherished into my heart. But then I think... well if I lost so it wasnt really mine, right?
This synchronicity between mind and heart is my problem. My mind tells me one thing and my heart tells me another.
So in a way I read your post and wanted to tell you this.
All in all, my true wish is that you be happy real soon and that if you really want and love that man he can be back and open himself to you and to the love you once shared.
I wish this for me too. I wish real happiness and love to all the ones who want it, and even to the ones who denies it.

I am a romantic, a sad hopeless dreamer, but anyway I hope you understood what I said, Seeker. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

My best wishes,
Warmbreeze.

PS. Oh and yes.... forgive my awful english! It suxs. lol

 

[seeker]

Thanks Claire, not offended at all. I actually don't know what he wants. That is part of the problem. It had actually occurred to me that I chose the restaurant with the subconscious hope I would run into him. The answers I get from Yi about him are muddled. When I asked what he will want I got 1 changing to 56. When I asked if we were right for each other I got 50 (yes, that post was mine too, it just seemed easier to post it under anon and list it as a boyfriend), and when I asked about a relationship I got 61 to 27. I don't think this will be easy, and from a couple of other readings I have had I may be more of the problem than him. I have had a couple of warnings about not being suspicious or fearful.

And yeah, I do want him back. I've wanted that for a while now. But one of the most prevailing themes in my readings is wait, usually wait for an important change. Originally I thought it was the divorce, but now I think it might have been the storm, but that could just be wishful thinking. Up until now I have not felt free to approach him at all until my life is more settled. I still don't, not really, but my concern for him overrode my feeling of inpropriety (no idea if I spelled that correctly).

On a slightly different note, to go along with the hexes of 50 and 61 I received, I finally got an answer to my meditation, the one where his picture suddenly appeared in my castle, still there btw. The answer was "he does something no one else in your life has ever done, he connects you to who you are". One of the reasons I was so drawn to him was that when I was with him I was completely myself. I hadn't even realized I had stopped being me until that happened. I asked Odin if that was what he meant, and he said in part, but it was more than that. Beyond that, I got the usual "you'll tell yourself when you are ready". So, any thoughts???

 

[claire]

Oh Seeker, yes, I do understand you so well. I will try to help you and I will ask my tarot cards for an advice for you but please take in account Im not a real reader. I will ask tell you soon, ok?
I wish you happiness.
Good things still happen. Life can be surprising. Keep the faith.

A kiss,
Warmbreeze.

 

[seeker]

You're probably as real a reader as I am, actually probably better. I have dabbled in Tarot for several years, but when I found the I Ching, it seemed to respond better. It was easier for me to interpret, at least for other people. I would love to hear any advice you have from any reading. Thank you very much.

I didn't realize it until recently, but this has kind of been my safety line with the divorce. Instead of dwelling on what I can't change, namely that my marriage is over, that we just don't love each other anymore, I have focused on the future, or at least what I imagined it to be. I have always seen X as part of that future. Until a few days ago, when I sent the email to him, it never occurred to me, at least not consciously, that he might not want to come back.

All my readings have been fairly positive, showing obstacles along the way, but nothing that would indicate it wouldn't work at all. But then with that failed reading the other night, it suddenly hit me that maybe I had been misreading everything or just seeing what I wanted to see. So, I would definately appreciate insight from someone else. Thank you again, and let me know what you get, even if it isn't positive.

 

[seeker]

BTW, how are you at astrology??? I was reading a post on the divination discussion about Mercury Retrograde. I am not well versed in Astrology, but I usually pay attention to this particular retrograde because I am usually affected in some way. Shows how lacking my focus is currently that I was not even aware of it. From what they were saying, the fact that I am a Virgo rising would make the current retrograde particularly difficult for me. So now I am wondering if that had anything to do with the recent problems in my readings??? I knid of hope so, because then maybe the ones I have been doing all along would still have some validity. It might be why I have not gotten an answer to my email from X. Although, thanks to Hurricane Charley, there could be a hundred reasons for that, so I have been trying not to read too much into it. Btw, does anyone know what has happened to our forum? It just seems like the postings have slowed considerable and some of the regulars seem to be missing altogether.

 

[claire]

Seeker, hi. I love astrology, that was my first and absolute love until I found tarot and IChing. All I can say is that Mercury Retrograde really affects communication of all forms. Last year in one of the retrogrades periods I remember that I was expecting an important job email and it simply didnt come. A week after the retrograde I received 10 emails that were sent to me and had never came in time so I lost my opportunity. Other things occured too so it really affects communication, inside and out of us. It affects the magnetic field too so internet and sattelites can be also affected. It also affects our capability to communicate to others and so, in my humble opinion, also to oracles. We really cant express properly and there is no easy flowing communication. So this is all I can tell you, there are many articles on the net about it and I can really assure you, as I feel it in my life, that it troubles any kind and form of communication.
I also do have mercury retrograde in my birtchart, as far as I know, so imagine how much it is hard for me to express sometimes. I can really write well but when I do have to say it, I simply choke the flow. So the mercury retrograde is something to be considered, Seeker, including in your uncapability to understand what the IChing was telling you, considering you are so much close to the oracle.

Well, now about the tarot advice for you. I did a three cards reading for you and got this:

1) Love situation - Four of Swords
This card invites you to shield yourself from relationship conflicts. This is a chance to take a break from current problems and it seems your current mission is to meditate and draw energy from inner guidance. You need to find peace and realize there it naturally exists inside of you. The card also invites you to try to communicate with those who have inspired you in some way.
For this love situation to grow you need first to find who you really are and what you really want. It is a time to be alone, Seeker, and as your nickname says 'seek what is into you'.

2) What can be accomplished in your love life -
The card is Nine of Cups, a very auspicious card.
If you search inside of you what you want, you will be where you had hoped and dreamed to be and you can look forward to relief from worry, anxiety and fear. This card also indicates healing and it also says that you have been spiritually protected. Your heart will be full of gratitude if you search inside of you and then keep in mind what you want. The card says you can go for it, there is something there and you can achieve it, so honestly this looks real good. You must heal first though as you cant offer love if you are still messed by circumstances, so then maybe this is the reason you are not having luck in communicate with the man you love. Sometimes the Universe (or God or Goddess or whatever you call it) give both people a break from each other so they can avaluate their feelings for each other. It is not easy, but trust me.... if there is love it wont be lost. The Nine of Cups says there is a worthy goal there, Seeker, so go for it, but only after you have found who you really are and what you can offer. If you go for it before you are yourself again, it wont happen.

3) The Last Card - The Love challenges of this situation is the Justice Card.
In your case, it is evident what it means. It says that you can turn what could be a potential embarrassment into an opportunity to learn and grow with honesty. Let correction take place. This card reminds you to move with the current, the natural flow of events. Dont try to force anything and just trust and believe. The best will happen. If you are diligent and honest with yourself and others, this may be a chance to set a relationship situation back on course. The Justice card demands an appropriate investment by all participants and it points to an excellent opportunity to raise your standards as well as your self-esteem. This card also talks about divorce so you must be completelly 'clean from your past baggages' to feel yourself again and be able to acomplish your goal. But dont forget that during this process you must have a journey inside of you and find what you want in life.

For all this cards I can say you will be ok, you will become a stronger woman, wiser and much more confident. And if I am not wrong, I just see good things in these cards, including a good possibility to have your loved one back. Dont forget he has free will though so we never know, but remember that the potential for him to come back is really there and a real strong one.

I must just tell you that I am using a book and my intuition to give this reading to you so I can be wrong. Dont write it on stone, Seeker, but if you think it helped please take it to the heart and remember that it seems you have more power in this than you are realizing.
Maybe stop obsessing about it and just trust and live your life with joy is a good start by now until the communication will be relinked with your loved one. As I said your position is powerful.
In my humble and novice opinion, I think (and feel) you will hear from him soon.
So then, if really happens, you go with the flow as the Universe is asking you to, ok?

Be well and happy.
I hope it helped. And I hope I am right in all I said to you.

My best wishes,
Warmbreeze.

 

[seeker]

Thank you, and I actually think your reading may be very accurate. One of the reasons I am getting divorced is that I woke up one day and realized I had become someone I wasn't, someone that made my husband happy, but wasn't really who I am. I had a similar experience in my first marriage.

Recently, in one of my meditations I found, oddly, an oracle. She told me that the reason both my marriages had failed was that I didn't allow them to love me. I became who I thought they wanted me to be because I was afraid they couldn't love the real me. But you can only sustain a persona for so long, even when you aren't aware you are doing it. Thing is, I was right, they didn't love who I really was, hence the divorces. But I've come to realize that that's ok, obivously neither of them was who I was supposed to be with. The oracle said that this new person could love me if I allowed him to. Since then I have had several readings that indicated I needed to wait, nourish myself, etc. I think part of that is getting things settled with my divorce before moving ahead, but I guess too it is referring to being more settled with myself.

I think you are right too in that I need to figure out what I want from him. I have denied over and over that it is more than an infatuation, someone to fill the lonely nights when my husband leaves. But maybe I'm just afraid of loving him. I've made two major mistakes because I rushed into things, got caught up in that initial flood of a new romance. I know I don't want just a sex thing. It's why I want this particular guy, because there was also attention and affection and a connection with him. Thats how I discovered I had let go of most of my own interests and values. We started out just being about sex, but we ended up being two people that would lie in bed and talk for hours about things I had forgotten I knew anything about.

But I keep telling myself it would be extremely foolish to go jumping into something when my divorce isn't even final, and the last few days I keep reminding myself that I don't even know if he will be interested. I don't know if I am holding back because I really don't believe I love him, or because I'm afraid I do love him. Or maybe I'm afraid that he won't be ready for that kind of relationship. Oh good, not even in a relationship with him and already adapting to what I think he wants instead of figuring out what I want. Guess I do have some things to work out. Thanks for the reading, and for listening.

 

[jte]

"I asked Yi if I would see him there and got 55 to 24. I took that as a positive reading, that he would be there ... But he wasn't there ... did I get an erroneous answer ... or miss something???"

So what's throwing you is that 55.4 "meeting the mate/ruler" line, right? But the relationship in 55 isn't necessarily a love one - it can easily some other kind of social partnership. I think maybe the line showed up because your (soon-to-be-ex)husband went there with you - he's a kind of temporary partner in this dinner event, which you are doing primarily to normalize things for everyone involved after the hurricane, correct? The line could possibly even represent his ex-wife if you and she "teamed-up" socially for a while.

I think the reading could easily reflect that aspect of the dinner, even though you asked about your other love interest in the question.

"...this has made me doubt both my abilities to interpret and the reading itself
... But then with that failed reading the other night"

No point beating yourself up, dear. I think if the Yi really wasn't right for you, you wouldn't be as "into" it as you are. 55 is a tough hexagram to interpret, MHO. I get it a lot but I still feel that way.

"does anyone know what has happened to our forum? It just seems like the postings have slowed considerable and some of the regulars seem to be missing altogether "

I noticed this too but I think it's just taking a breather - it seems like a lot of new, good contributors have joined over the last several weeks (you being one of them). Little pause after the expansion seems normal enough, no?



- Jeff

 

[seeker]

Thanks Jeff, you're right, it was that line that was throwing me, and I can see what you're saying. Thanks for the response.

So, I have news, but I am going to start a new post for it