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bradford_h

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I thought that Rinda's question was
How does the Yi itself experience time?
Then it's - Not at all, not without context and each human's perpective, which is normally less than comprehensive, and normally not in the moment.
 

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Got an email with an answer to my post above. I had to read it several times, before I really got it, but I think it is the most interesting view on it which is possible. I really like it.
I pass it on to the board, because I?d like to have this view here too. A very interesting one to pursue further. Not only with this, but with many answers of the Yi.


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Your question:
"Why line 2? Dunno. Maybe 41 is 'after' having digested?"
My thoughts:
seen from the human perspective, perhaps for us to experience the concept of time requires us to discard (41) anything that might impede us from that intended target of experience. yet, in so doing we may in fact be encouraging our overall growth in the 'wrong' way (27.2) as seen from Yi's "less than comprehensive" perspective (as Brad mentioned)
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And me not pulling babies' legs. It seems that the bowels decide about the speed of time.

LiSe
 
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A note of trivia ? does anyone ever ask Yi 'what time is it?? When I'd like a bearing check, encompassing everything going on in my little world, that's what I ask.
 

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I've never thought to even ask that as a question. perhaps i will try this to help me gather my bearings

thanks again candid
 

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I often do. Sometimes exactly the same, other times phrased a bit differently, but coming down on the same question. I have several entries in my long list of questions of a desperate 'WHAT NOW!?!?'

LiSe
 

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"does anyone ever ask Yi 'what time is it?"

I sometimes ask the Yi if it's got anything it would like to say to me. Not sure if that's the same thing you're asking or not, but I think it's similar at least...

- Jeff
 

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In my website I have for 27.2: Do not try to restrain what is by nature excessive. . . In the world all is about the normal, but the world lives by what is abnormal. So give the excessive enough room to exist.
(do not restrain using the small size of jaws: biting it in pieces of hours and minutes)
So this must be how Yi itself experiences time: it does not want to restrain the wide space of no-time.

In the judgment of 41: ?. . Permitting determination?, determination is also consulting the oracle or the gods, and the answer they give.
Here the restriction, which the Yi is talking about ?permits determination?: restriction of ?the many?, the world, in favor of ?few?, the realm of gods.

And for the fanyao (41.2): Get rid of preconceptions, of all 'knowing how things are'.
IOW get rid of your watch.

Comparing Demitra?s and my own interpretation: we both see the same advice, one positive, one negative, one as the guideline, one as the warning, but coming down to the same result.

LiSe
link to YiJing Book of Sun and Moon
 

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Ah, Demitra... Brilliant and mercurial; so Mediterranean. The right amount of spice to bring out the flavor of any food without burning your mouth or overwhelming your taste buds. Translate that to writing and what you read calls for a glass of chilled Retsina and a toast to the writer. But watch out, thread carefully or she'll add a spoonful of dry red peppers, just to your plate. She'll then serve it to you with a charming smile and a "bon appétit" that will send you scurrying for the nearest well. I miss you. I'm tired of guessing which Anon writing is yours although I know they pepper the whole site.

From Leo's Horoscope for today:

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When in social situations today, be on your best behavior because you will be graded by those who tend to be judgmental. Keep your thumb out of your soup and your foot out of your mouth.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oops, too late!!


Luis
 
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stepping in ever so briefly to say "love the review, Luis!" definitely a treat
and to assure you that in my reincarnated form you won't have to guess as to my whereabouts in the future

(though i don't often wear red -too much for an already sizzling personality
- i, coincidentally, happen to be sporting a bright shade of it today -how'dya know?)


are you addicted to hot and spicy foods, Luis? iffen you have hot sauce stashed in your car or have a jalapeno in your pocket, you may be a chili-head. but don?t worry, it's a very nutritious and beneficial addiction that is not a sin or against the law and not even heavily taxed!

hmmm, depending on the palate of course, i can be as addictive as any chili pepper, i suppose
we both can seriously appeal to one's sense of adventure (consider the vibrant colors and shapes of our expression, not to mention that hot surprise inside!) dangerous, yes, but oh! so exciting

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without the intensity of flavor that we dare to sprinkle around us now and then, life would be ridiculously bland (but you already knew that
) besides, hot peppers secrete pain-blocking endorphins in the body ...need i say more???

warning! capsaicin (the substance that makes peppers singe) is only slightly soluble in water and is therefore not as effective at quenching the heat as alcohol is. forget the well-water, my friend, it would be best to keep that Retsina handy -one jes' never knows ...
 

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are you addicted to hot and spicy foods, Luis?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh God, yes! And if it was a sin, I'd be damned for eternity!

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dangerous, yes, but oh! so exciting<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

whispering: did you notice the silence in this thread? I think everybody is in shock...


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forget the well-water, my friend, it would be best to keep that Retsina handy -one jes' never knows<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hot peppers and wine: now, that's life on the edge!

L
 

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WE WANT MORE OF SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT, DECREASE.
 

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could it seem to anyone that the Yi experiences time as divinations itself? i only add that in relations to all the excellent answers here.
 

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Hi Chan-
I think that's a great observation.
As in physics, time means nothing unless you first posit a point of reference, to which everything else is relative.
With the Yi, the point of reference (or the relative coordinate system) is the question of the diviner.
The Yi just hangs around in a timeless state until its generalness is localized, or brought to bear on a specific place in time.
 

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Hi Brad, and thanks for that. Gives even more food for thought --- lol. : 0
 

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"The Yi just hangs around in a timeless state until its generalness is localized, or brought to bear on a specific place in time."

Isn't that sort of how God works? Isn't creation a localized or concretized form of divine energy?
 

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Hi Dobro-
I don't think much about God, nor do I think I know how it all works, but Meister Eckhart might say that every localization, every concretization, is the Master begetting the Son.
 

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Yeah well I'm no expert either, but I'm fascinated by localization. A soul is a localization. Consciousness is localized. (Mine is, anyway.) I've known for a long time how the Yi responds to a question, but it really intrigues me that when it does that, it might be 'localization in action' - not a physical reality coming into being, but a meaning coming into being, a movement from the divine to a level we can comprehend.

All the ideas I'm moving around in this speculation are theological of course. But it's an easy enough language to speak, even if we don't stand a chance of understanding the reality it attempts to express. It comes down to the idea of Source - that out of which everything arises. I've always thought that the Yi operates like sonar - revealing the non-evident 'contours' of the situation (in other words, no net change in the energy involved in the situation, aside from an increase of consciousness). But what if the Yi's a kind of divine action in the same way that when a tree grows, it's a divine action?
 

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Theology has a very bad habit: it can become dogmatic. As far as I'm concerned, all the theological tails, that for millenia so many sages have tried to pin to the Yi, have missed the mark. The Yi remains a most elusive donkey.

Assign divinity to the Yi at your own peril. Every time divinity was assigned to a book it has brought trouble to the world (should I cite some obvious examples??) Yes, the Yi has been used to found and complement quite a few creeds, but, that does not mean, or can be proven as being, a divine device in the sense it can be a part of God as God is understood to be a separate and discernible entity. Following the "device" train of thought, my personal view of the Yi is more on the lines of being a sort of Akashic Record: you just go, find and read what you are looking for.

Luis
 

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Our ideas about what's divine are deeply colored by the traditional religions, that's true. But aside from culturally established conditioning about 'the man in the sky', there's a reality that you have to come to terms with. How you understand that reality is a personal choice, once you've jettisoned the traditional picture of things. For me, the Yi is an instrument for reading aspects of non-evident reality. The Yi reveals a living reality, a flux, and ultimately that defeats any attempt to codify or institutionalize or proseletyze or manipulate.
 

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there's a reality that you have to come to terms with<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is?

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How you understand that reality is a personal choice, once you've jettisoned the traditional picture of things.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doesn't this statement contradicts the previous one in some ways?

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The Yi reveals a living reality, a flux, and ultimately that defeats any attempt to codify or institutionalize or proseletyze or manipulate.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'm glad you left out "discussion" and "debate" from the above or we'd have to close shop here...


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For me, the Yi is an instrument for reading aspects of non-evident reality.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

See, with this I agree and, in the way I understand it, it does not go against the idea I have of accessing a sort of "Wholistic Record".
 
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If there was no collective record, there could be no way to codify. Localization would be out of control chaos (called: insanity). There'd be no reference points to access. We wouldn't be able to communicate with each other, much less with the Yi.
 

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