How Effective the Sunlight Is In Killing Coronavirus? 42 UC

[marybluesky]

Hexagram 42 is called Increase, Benefit.
"Fruitful to cross the great river."
"A noble one sees improvement, and so she changes. When there is excess, she corrects it."

The sunlight is considerably effective in killing the virus. It may not eradicate the illness, but helps.

Any thoughts?

 

[moss elk]

Any thoughts?

My thought is that people often don't realize that 42 is not 100% blessing, it is often about
'correcting our mistakes' as in 'when having transgressed, the jun zi makes corrections'

 

[marybluesky]

My thought is that people often don't realize that 42 is not 100% blessing, it is often about
'correcting our mistakes' as in 'when having transgressed, the jun zi makes corrections'

I exactly asked: "How effective the sunlight is in killing the virus". Then how do you interpret hex 42 as the question's answer?

 

[moss elk]

With my experience of 42's...
I would have to say it says something like,
"that's a mistake, try something else."
or literally it could Increase' the virus.

(I got 42 unchanging once!
it was as a comment on the situation immediately after I realized that a gal I liked didn't like me, but was just using me (and leading me on) so she wouldn't have to be alone.)

It was a very happy moment to see my mistake, and learn better. No resentment or anything was involved.

 

[marybluesky]

If I didn't include "killing" in my question I read it as the sunlight will increase the virus. Even now it may have the same meaning, though.

 

[Liselle]

I think it says yes sunlight kills the virus, but it's not as simple as it might seem - as you pointed out it needs improvements and corrections. I can imagine things like knowing how long the object has to be in the sun, how strong the sun must be, is the sunlight hitting all the places on the object where a virus might hide, you'd have to turn the object over, maybe move it as the sun moves, and so forth.

That might be the "unchangingness" - it's a method people might not be able to relate to very well (no relating hexagram). There are probably easier ways to disinfect most things.

 

[Topher]

With my experience of 42's...
I would have to say it says something like,
"that's a mistake, try something else."
or literally it could Increase' the virus.

(I got 42 unchanging once!
it was as a comment on the situation immediately after I realized that a gal I liked didn't like me, but was just using me (and leading me on) so she wouldn't have to be alone.)

It was a very happy moment to see my mistake, and learn better. No resentment or anything was involved.

while unrelated to the OP but you were benefiting her literally 42 is about someone who probably values a lot someone, probably it was describing you in the 'relationship'. because (she wouldn't have to be alone) that was benefiting her of course depends on what IC refers with UC hex sometimes refers to a speficific line,

anyway Coronavirus hasnt been stopped by sunlight,has it?

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[rosada]

Maybe we should consider what Sunlight 42. Increases? Sunlight increases vitamin D. Vitamin D along with vitamin C is considered to be a powerful support for the immune system. (I don't know how effective it is considered to be for killing the virus once it takes hold)

 

[legume]

a virus is not alive so how can it be killed? i think 42 might be about increased exposure while outside in the sunshine, since a lot of people want to get some sun and end up in the same crowded areas. as to how good the sun is in destroying genetic material, that probably depends, i agree with rosada, that the right amount of sun can help boost the immune system, though too much of it can even destroy our own cells, i.e. skin cancer, so i guess it can be pretty good at destroying the virus (host free) as well there was also a study looong time ago proving that best way to lower TB cases in cows was through letting them out in the sun, not sure how this translates to covid. it's said that the virus survives for about 3h in air within liquid droplets, so it's generally better to go outside, as it can remain much longer on hard surfaces, out of which the most common areas where it can be found (up to 20%) is hand sanitizer dispensers... i just love the irony of it.

 

[rosada]

Too funny re hand sanitizers! Now I have read that the chance of getting covid from a surface is way over estimated. In fact, the CDC is now saying you don't have to worry about surface contact at all and calls all the hand sanitizers and scrub downs "hygiene theater" created to make us feel safer but the chances of getting covid from touching a surface is about 0.01% .

 

[Topher]

a virus is not alive so how can it be killed? i think 42 might be about increased exposure while outside in the sunshine, since a lot of people want to get some sun and end up in the same crowded areas. as to how good the sun is in destroying genetic material, that probably depends, i agree with rosada, that the right amount of sun can help boost the immune system, though too much of it can even destroy our own cells, i.e. skin cancer, so i guess it can be pretty good at destroying the virus (host free) as well there was also a study looong time ago proving that best way to lower TB cases in cows was through letting them out in the sun, not sure how this translates to covid. it's said that the virus survives for about 3h in air within liquid droplets, so it's generally better to go outside, as it can remain much longer on hard surfaces, out of which the most common areas where it can be found (up to 20%) is hand sanitizer dispensers... i just love the irony of it.

"When there is excess, she corrects it." maybe this kinda explain your idea the more exposure to the the sun(without a host) the virus is "corrected" by sunlight(perhaps not sunlight but lack of a host) but for iching it doesnt make a difference and the answer is too general

 

[rosada]

Yes, and could also reference the idea that the IC not recommending excessive exposure to the sun.

 

[dfreed]

Too funny re hand sanitizers! Now I have read that the chance of getting covid from a surface is way over estimated.

What's not so funny to me is that where we have followed the guidelines - worn masks, kept distance, used sanitizers and now have gotten vaccinated - COVID cases and the chances of getting COVID are going down. Whereas when people flaunt these guidelines, or simply don't know them, or don't have the resources (like masks) to follow them, we're seeing the number of cases rise.

So, when it's all said and done, as we learn more, and can better evaluate what has happened, it's no big deal if some of the things we are/were doing are found more effective then others.

There's really nothing funny about it. It seems that you are just providing more ammunition for a slippery-slope argument: 'well if Fauci lied to us, and hand sanitizers weren't really necessary, ... then maybe masks aren't necessary, and maybe Bill Gates is really trying to control us, and maybe we don't need to get vaccinated after all.

 

[rosada]

I think you misunderstood my comment. I was responding to Legume's observation that hand sanitizer despensers were found to be the worst offenders for covid surviving on hard surfaces.

 

[becalm]

there was also a study looong time ago proving that best way to lower TB cases in cows was through letting them out in the sun

Funny you mention this because it was a thought that had crossed my mind when I first read this thread.....my dad had TB when he was in his 20's. The way they cured it was to put the patients on the verandahs of the hospitals so they would contract pneumonia. He said he remembers waking up with snow on the end of his bed. Apparently they could sort TB through treating pneumonia - I've no idea what that means, I just remember him telling me about it.

 

[dfreed]

I think you misunderstood my comment. I was responding to Legume's observation that hand sanitizer despensers were found to be the worst offenders for covid surviving on hard surfaces.

I apologize if I misunderstood. I have grown weary that we've become a world filled with 'experts' just because we've read some articles on the internet, often with "confirmation bias" - meaning we tend to seek out information that agrees with our already-held beliefs.

So we now have tens (or even hundreds) of millions of people who are experts on COVID, and public health and virology, and immunology, and the US federal financial system, and the US elections, and voting machines and the 'deep state' and the world economy, and sex trafficking, and nuclear weapons, and international relations, and the Yijing - and what the Yi has to say about all these things that people are experts on ....

So when I hear something like, 'the CDC said ...' I am very suspect and also concerned about how that one bit of information will be misused. I seen this often when self-styled experts talked about how masks were ineffective, or how the COVID vaccine would make women sterile (but only after first planting spying nano-bots in them) ....

But that's an awful lot to put on your shoulders, so again, I'm sorry.

Best, D

 

[rosada]

If you’re interested you can Google “End the hygiene theater, CDC says” .

 

[marybluesky]

I remember during the first months of pandemic if you told some people "mayyyyyybe" the sanitizers have no effect they wanted to kill you, the way they believed that by staying home for a month the virus will magically disappear and anyone who went out should have been killed as a huge threat to human species that would be easily saved if they didn't go out.

 

[dfreed]

I remember during the first months of pandemic if you told some people "mayyyyyybe" the sanitizers have no effect they wanted to kill you, the way they believed that by staying home for a month the virus will magically disappear ....

I don't know which country or region you live in, but no one where I live ever wanted to kill anyone for simply wanting to go outside or for having an opinion about sanitizers. That sounds entirely like internet 'fake news' to me. Where I live, I have always heard and abided by this consistent message: wear masks, keep a safe distance, follow basic hygiene.

I do however get peeved, when people take 'maybes' to be facts: maybe we don't need sanitizers; maybe the vaccine will let Bill Gates control us; maybe sunlight might help; maybe Trump didn't really lose the election, maybe the check is in the mail, and maybe - just maybe - my mother was a 9-foot tall space alien. Thank goodness that's not the world or the reality I live in.

 

[dfreed]

If you’re interested you can Google “End the hygiene theater, CDC says” .

I don't know where the phrase 'hygiene theater' comes from or started, but it seems more like media 'spin'. The updated CDC guidelines start by saying:

The virus that causes COVID-19 can land on surfaces. It’s possible for people to become infected if they touch those surfaces and then touch their nose, mouth, or eyes. In most situations, the risk of infection from touching a surface is low. The most reliable way to prevent infection from surfaces is to regularly wash hands or use hand sanitizer. Cleaning and disinfecting surfaces can also reduce the risk of infection.

Perhaps the CDC is taking a more modest or tempered approach here, but to describe what's been going on as 'hygiene theater' proves the point I was making earlier: that having so many opinions and so many 'experts' takes away from people getting correct and useful information.

 

[marybluesky]

I don't know which country or region you live in, but no one where I live ever wanted to kill anyone for simply wanting to go outside or for having an opinion about sanitizers. That sounds entirely like internet 'fake news' to me.

It's not fake news. An old friend of mine once said in March 2020 that she believed anyone who left home should have been shot by the police, even if alone & wearing a mask.

 

[dfreed]

friend of mine once said in March 2020 that she believed anyone who left home should have been shot by the police

As I said, this is not the world I am living in. And because you have a friend who said this, what does that prove? That some people sometimes say dumb things - especially when they are scared and the actual facts have been obscured or distorted (by Q or by Trump for example)? But you are perhaps correct: this is not news, fake or otherwise - it's just people being mislead, misinformed, sacred or dumb, or some combination of these.

 

[rosada]

 

[dfreed]

The term was coined on July 27, 2020 by Derek Thompson, a staff writer for The Atlantic, when referring to hygiene measures being taken during the COVID-19 pandemic that have done little to reduce the spread of COVID-19 and have provided a false sense of security.

As I said, media spin, a 'coined' term. With COVID, we have faced a new virus and a world-wide pandemic that we have not had to deal with for at least 100 years (Spanish Flu pandemic). That we might go overboard, or even get things wrong is to be expected. But when a writer labels all this 'Hygiene Theater' - like Trump calling anything he doesn't like 'fake news' - it leaves it wide open for becoming fodder for rumors and accusations: so we get people claiming that everything the CDC says is wrong (or is part of a conspiracy), or they think, incorrectly, that not getting vaccinated will lead to herd immunity, or they think wearing masks is a bad thing, but sitting out in the sun is helpful.

 

[legume]

I do however get peeved, when people take 'maybes' to be facts

wouldn't it make your life easier to assume that nobody here is actually taking maybe's to be facts, just sharing the maybe's as a free thought exercise instead of assuming everyone is less skilled than you in telling fact from fiction? most of us aren't even I Ching experts, so i doubt anyone here claims expertise on the new-virus and the new-pandemic (i dare to say that even the current experts on the topic won't be actual experts until quite some time from now)... you mention an awful lot of things that annoy you, none of which have actually ever been mentioned here, by anyone else but yourself. i understand people need an outlet for their frustration nowadays and "That we might go overboard, or even get things wrong is to be expected", but find difficult to understand your approach - i mean mentioning bill gates, trump, vaccines or aliens, etc. in every other post that's to do with covid, especially, since, as you say, these claims annoy you (cause they supposedly dilute the higher quality information), but again, nobody mentions these things here but you, so i'm kinda baffled.

 

[rosada]

I note you only copied the first part of my quote. The next paragraph closes with this:
"Cleaning and disinfectant measures have persisted despite widespread recognition [!} that SARS-coV-2 rarely, if ever [!!} spreads through surface contact."

 

[dfreed]

wouldn't it make your life easier to assume that nobody here is actually taking maybe's to be facts, .... but find difficult to understand your approach - i mean mentioning bill gates, trump, vaccines or aliens, etc. in every other post that's to do with covid,

I don't really give a rosy rat's patootie what people do or don't do here. And you're sentence above doesn't make any sense, '... assuming that nobody here is actuall taking mabye's to be facts ...? What the heck does that mean?

I'm not sure what you are objecting to here. That I'm pointing out how much disinformation is being spread on the internet, or that so many people think that they are now experts because they've read this disinformation? Or is it just okay for others to vent, but not me? And someone else mentioned hand sanitizers, and someone else mentioned their friend saying people who go outside should be shot by the police - so why aren't you attacking them for bringing in unrelated topics?

And I mention Trump because he's was one of the biggest spreaders of disinformation about COVID and Bill Gates because he's so often attacked by that same disinformation. So, I'm freely speaking my mind here - like others - so what is it you are objecting to?

 

[dfreed]

I note you only copied the first part of my quote.

I quoted the part I did because it was getting to my point about 'Hygiene Theater being a made-up phrase by someone in the media. And that this might still persists because of fear or disinformatin, I talked about that as well.

 

[rosada]

I think I've said all I have to contribute to this discussion.