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60.5.6 to 41

Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams:

this has been a long process. over 3 years, from many years
we are just back to talking and having pleasant conversations.
we are beginning again, as my last question.

i asked this question today, if you can help me shed some light on this. i wanted to know what i can do in regards to this relationship.

thank you.:bows:
 

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Here is my take on it:

60.5.6 > 41

Line 5 means that working within certain limitations will bring success.
Line 6 would show that although these limitations may be bitter, they will be transitory; not lasting, but serving a purpose within the beginning of the new phase of the relationship.

41 would mean to me that things must be simplified, streamlined, and sincere.

Here is Berkers on this casting:


60. Limitation

Line 5:

Sweet limitation.
Good fortune.
Going has value.

Limitations that are accepted and pleasant. Things will go well. Operating within these limitations brings value.

Line 6:

Bitter limitation.
Persisting brings misfortune.
Aversion goes away.

Limitations that are unpleasant. Things will not go well by keeping them. One's aversion to the situation will go away.

Hexagram is changing to:


41. Reduction

Reduction.
Have confidence,
it is a source of good fortune.
Without fault,
it allows for persistence.
It is beneficial to have a goal to move to.
How to do this?
Two bamboo bowls are suitable to be used for sacrifice.

There is a reduction of something. It is not a real problem, one can use this situation to one's advantage and go on. It's a good idea to have a plan. One can well do with something more simple.
:bows: Best wishes to you!!!:)
 

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thank you - please clarify?

Yes, thank you so much foxx but i dont understand this in translation to english?

i know that those hex signify what you wrote. but i feel that this is going to be a good potential for us to have eventually a romantic connection again?

is this correct?

any other takers please if you can give me your views?:bows:
 

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If it was my reading I would see it as:

Reduce your expectations on the relationship. ....

I don't think that it means that there won't be a relationship. I think it's just advising you to slow down and not get ahead of yourself.

Good luck. Keep us posted. :)
 

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My relationship with E.

would be nice to meet up again. would be nice to be "exclusive" but need to take this slow. i cant mess up again.

Long Yi?

can you please assist if you get a chance to read my two posts?

My First Question was:

Will there be a new time to start again?
I received - 30.1.3.6 changing to 16

and then I asked a second one?

what do I need to do in regard to my relationship with E?[/
I received - 60.5.6 to 41
:bows::bows:
 

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would be nice to meet up again. would be nice to be "exclusive" but need to take this slow. i cant mess up again.

Long Yi?

can you please assist if you get a chance to read my two posts?

My First Question was:

Will there be a new time to start again?
I received - 30.1.3.6 changing to 16

and then I asked a second one?

what do I need to do in regard to my relationship with E?[/
I received - 60.5.6 to 41
:bows::bows:

The "moments" often represented in hexagram 30 are fleeting. At some time early on, your interest was clear, but that moment has gone by. By the third line, you are finding you have to cling to small ideas and inspirations to keep your interest alive -- but you are more than happy to do it because this is occupying a lot of your time and all of your memories. The idea of line six in relation to this situation seems to be that, despite the fact that you've made more than enough demonstration of interest by now, and been completely enthusiastic [hexagram 16], there is nothing coming from the other person that will sustain the connection the way you wish it could be.

Of course, hexagram 60 shows limitations and perhaps attention being meted out to you a bit at a time. It can be interesting to a man who entertains multiple relationships that you are there waiting, but he is doing something else most of the time, contacting you now and then, which makes you hope for more Maybe that's the case here because both of the lines you have cast have a restrained quality. I'd imagine from this casting that he is in another relationship [a long term one] and keeps you at bay to preserve the relationship he has because he values that tie and it is central to him. And, in the sixth line, you are finding this limiting, galling, unacceptable. But the fifth line would indicate he is doing the right thing. In relationship readings I've had, hexagram 41 as a background means it is time to reel it in, back off, find something or someone else, because this connection is on the "decrease."

In summary, this relationship/connection/possibility has had its moments, but they are memories now. Enjoy that as much as you want to, but his real attention is elsewhere and he is maintaining that relationship above all. :bows:
 

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Amy, I received your private message regarding 15, i presume your talking about this situation. so already i think the response that i typed in the pm, which ive copied and pasted below, without knowing about htis cast, is exactly what yi is saying.

Hi Amy.


The first thing that pops to mind here is that youve assked Yi about this relationship lots of times. lots. Am I right?


The reason I get this is because you received an unchanging hexagram. I dont know if you understand the judgement of hex 4. Its the Yi saying that the first time you ask it something, youll get a clear response, the next time, a more muddled response, until finally, Yi will just throw you hex 4, unchanging, hoping you get the message.

I know its very hard to control yi usage. But really in the long run, its better for you, as you will undersatnd the message more clearly. The more you ask about a specific situation, the more yi will just make you more confused, because it will always give you a response.but the first cast that you ever received, when you choose a very good question, is the one that really applies.

and with the help of this forum, a number of different translations, looking at the nuclear hex's, the shadow site, the steps of change, the fan yao, one casting can be extremely informative. and it does take time to ponder and dwell on. One good question and the first cast yi throws you should, in theory, keep you going for awhile.

Another reason why i think youve asked yi about this before is that you got 15. 15 UC is like yi shouting at you 'get real! balance yourself! your taking this too far now. Its time fo you to come back down to earth and see the reality of this' the image is

'Thus the superior man reduces that which is too much,
And augments that which is too little.
He weighs things and makes them equal.'

maybe youve been daydreaming about this a little too much?

If I am completely wrong, and this is the first time youve ever asked yi about this, then 15 could mean that you can have a very authentic relationship together. Authenticity, reality, being who you really are is where 15 is really at. So it would seem that thats your response. but i still think youve asked yi about this before ;)

Yx
 
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Oh yes and thank you all

he is a very close person in my life and we have had our momennts.

i am one of the people in his life that will always be here.

yes we do talk from time to time and when we do we always catch up with each other, we are on an even keel now, good memories of course

but we have also gone through alot.

thank you for reading my ICHING....
 

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a few things about wording questions amy. I like to break down a question into parts. after i form a question i ask myself these things; i first ask myself 'am i assuming too much?' meaning am i wording the question in a way that presumes a certain outcome. for instance, you asked 'will there be a time to start again?'. Your question shows your desire for a reconciliation, this is your intention. its also about the future, and although you can ask about the future, the book of changes is about change. The way you feel today about this situation, you may feel very differtly in a months time. Its better to ask 'now' questions, as this focuses on the reality of the situation, and not yis best guess as to the outcome in the future, which will just be yi's best take on what is happening 'now' to form that future anyway.

what do i need to do in regard to my relationship with e?

this question is much better formed. You are not assuming anything, and your intention is about your actions in the present. These kind of questions work best imo. Your not asking about how someone else feels for you, you are not assuming you will get another chance with the guy. Its an open question that will give you a reading that you can fully understand.

I often work with the Yi's structure. For instance, I like to ask 'please give me an image of this relationship now'. That will give you a snapshot of the situation. This is a very direct way of accessing the books basic teachings. With that response, you can have a full idea of where you stand. also, another one which i love 'what is the best thing i can do for myself in this situation'. This is slightly different from 'what i need to do', this question often gives me massive insight into where i am, which can be as confusing and hard to figure out in relationship readings as any other facet of the situation. finally, to get an idea of how you can be of service in the relationship, a question like' what does e need from me', will tell you first, what needs to be 'done' ( if anyhting, lots of times yi will say this isnt the time to 'do' anything at all) , and also, in a roundabout way tells you where e's head is at.

Yx
 
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Thank you so much for that

yes, i read Hilarys post on relationship questions and took that "potential" question to ask. I was very curious about this relationship. It has been going on for many many years. I ask this beausi am so interested in how it will end up.

we also talk about our relationship and we are wondering why we cant seem to get together on an even keel.

i asked if the relationship will ever be repaired because we have damaged some things along the way...starting with me leaving him and now - well, karma has a strange way of pay back.

just wondering....did i not ask the correct questions? should i have thought more closely of how i worded it?

i really need some clarification.

you are so cool to help me and i thank you all.
what did WE do wrong?:bows:

just for the record, i do date and I do not sit home.

sometimes people stay in relationships because of status and financial reasons, does not mean that they are happy. Its not a question of loyalty or love.
 
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Your relationship analysis

Your six line layout

Casting time:2012年06月22日05时22分
Casting time:壬辰年五月初四日卯时
神煞:天乙—丑未 福星—寅 日禄—寅 羊刃—卯 驿马—申 桃花—卯 华盖—戌
干支:壬辰年 丙午月 甲寅日 丁卯时
旬空:午未  寅卯  子丑  戌亥
六神  伏神    坎宫:水泽节(六合)     艮宫:山泽损
         【本 卦】           【变 卦】
玄武       ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊子水  ×→  ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙丙寅木 应
白虎       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼戊戌土  ○→ ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟丙子水  
滕蛇       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊申金 应   ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼丙戌土  
勾陈       ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼丁丑土     ▅▅ ▅▅ 官鬼丁丑土 世
朱雀       ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙丁卯木     ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙丁卯木  
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财丁巳火 世   ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财丁巳火 

There are two men in this picture; line 3 and line 5.

Since the line 3 man sits in the inner hexagram and has no seat in the house of spouse (day of the reading), this man does not exist. He is not part of your family. This may mean that you do not have a spouse or common law partner at present (please notify me within 1 day if you want this paragraph deleted).

The other man, probably is Mr. “E”, as mentioned in your reading information. He is on the change line.

Line 1 is you. A woman occupies this line. There are cetain speculations here. If it is not you, then this will the woman of concern to you, another female that has a connection to Mr. E, but that relationship does or did not work. 5 element Fire (female fire) is the house of your marriage and this female only has fire element (female fire). The line 1 female is connected to line 4.

Line 4 is Mr. E. He is assigned metal in this hexagram. As you may know, metal is strong in the fall season (Aug/Sept), and is currently suppressed by fire (hot summer months, like June). This means no movement at all from Mr. E.

By Aug/Sept (Aug 5-Oct 4 approx) or any day that is assigned the metal element, Mr. E 父母戊申金 应 has to move (驿马—申). What kind of move, I will speculate in a minute.

Line 1 and line 4 has a merging relationship. Line 1 is yang (woman think of the male) and line 4 is yin (man think of the female). However, there is a problem, line 1 is fire and line 4 is metal. Fire and metal do not co-operate in joint ventures.

In your heart, line 4 Mr. E does not occupy the house of your spouse. You have very little confidence. In fact, Mr. E’s situation may not allow this or there are other factors that prevent this from happening.
Basis: line 4 父母戊申金 应 confront with 甲寅日 (福星—寅 日禄—寅). There may be career issue and also family issue such as residence etc.

At this time, we analyze the line 4, 5 and 6 of both hexagrams.

These are my speculations based on my experience in readings;
Line 4 (Aug/Sept or day of metal). Mr. E has to move on to something (do not know exactly). It may be career related.
Line 5 changes to another person. There is another person 兄弟丙子水 that he needs to deal with. In line 6 the other person 兄弟丙子水, changes to show another person (may be child).

There are other possibilities, if there is no such thing, this may mean getting sick, getting treated and recovered with medication.
Or

Something to do with money or customer.

Six line has different meanings for each line. This is all I can guess.

Now, the not so good news from this hexagram:
The change hexagram 41 is the end of the story. There is no indication that you two are going to be together (all the way to Oct 2012). Iching reading only tells immediate future and not long term future. Else I will be rich buying stocks from investment readings.

Line 5/6 of the change hexagram normally gives some indication of the immediate future. I do not see any possibilities in the next 3 months. Line 6 can be your soul, occupying no seat in the house of marriage.

It only means what you think. You have a heart felt, but you can find the bottom of your emotional well. How a person feel does not always reflect what you can do or cannot do. Please do not mix this up.

At present, you do not feel great about this situation. Iching hexagram teaches us in order to gain, one must first suffer loss and take risk for loss. It is like buying stock that drops, but it later rises to a very high value.

The man Mr. E 官鬼丙戌土 is in line 5 of hexagram 60, line 4 of hexagram 41. The woman sits in line 1 of both hexagrams unmoved. The characters are there. The hour of your reading shows a connection that Mr. E 官鬼丙戌土 cannot be with you and does not seem to around where you work and live.

Now, let us take a look at the trigrams. Hexagram 41 consists of Ken (mountain, earth – line 4 to 6), Tui (joyous, metal, line 1 to 3). The upper trigram is the change trigram with the man Mr. E in it. Earth produces metal. The upper trigram with Mr. E in it produces the lower trigram with you in it.

The Chinese theory for this is: 艮卦生體:有東北方之財。或山田之喜。或因山林田土獲財。或富貴帶土姓人之財。物當安穩。事有終始。
Briefly, every story has a beginning and an ending.

占婚姻以體為主,用為婚姻。用生體,婚易成,或因婚有得。
The possibility for being together is possible, and also for mutual gain.

This is plum flower theory. My experience: any negative implication – no deal. Any positive signs – 50% chance. This depends on circumstances and the persons involved.

Soulmate: whether apart or together, possible.

Being together physically – I do not know. Iching hexagram 41: Sincerity and consistency brings results in love.

There are other scriptures that I can cite you. This post is too long. I will submit for now.

Be happy. You have to do some soul searching. You do not know the limits of the situation (hexgram 60) and all you see is negative losses (hexagram 41).

My advice: convert to Tarot and analyse this further. Run a tarot relationship spread. Review the info in Lover’s Iching theory. Check out the Karma part of both iching readings above. I can give all those to you if you need them, via the internal emai; here. Just ask

Remember: Quality of reading is important and not quantity.
My reading analysis is always free... If you want me to delete part of the analysis, let me know within 12 hrs. I do not intend to offend readers for my statements. Some folks cannot accept -VE news and only want to hear what they want to hear.:brickwall:

Be Happy. :bows::rofl:
 

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Thank you very much

all of the readers here are awesome...

and your reading ment alot to me.

thank you so much for this reading.

you are very wise and i appreciate everything.

i will make a note.

and copy and paste this to my desktop.
i will like to get this further anaylysed in tarot.
:bows:
 

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Delete your old messages from your in-box. Else I cannot send you other information in the next 24 hrs.
 

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Dearest Long.

Incredible...is there a possiblity that in the end...we might actually end up together?
What do you mean by Mutual gain???
Yes, this is a karmic tie situation, how we met, and how we broke up, how we constantly came in/out of each others lives.
 
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"...Now, the not so good news from this hexagram..."

You mean that there was GOOD NEWS from this hexagram prior to this point?????

cry cry nooooo
 

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Hexagram 41 is equivalent to Tarot Card 6 of wands

Six of wands: someone wins the heart of the other party. Usually, it is the man who won the heart of the female. The female may have other male friends, dates etc. because she found this particular man sometimes boring and perhaps controlling. After a cycle meeting other males, she choose to reconsider this man.

In order for the male and female to build a true soulmate relationship. Both parties have to compromise. When the female makes the move, the male is on the horse and decides to move on to other things.

Reality check: soulmate thu correspondence or keep in touch without seeing each other or be with each other may be possible. Actual physical separation exists and the female will not be satisfied.

Based on the feedback from the female querent, line 6 is a child (confirmed) of the man. To protect privacy, I will not share any information because this is to educate other readers that my speculation line 6 is a child (now correct: a teenager).

Other matters
Hexagram 60 quote:

K a m a • You have in your mind an image of yourself as "the ideal lover," who can be all things to Friend. Your part in your relationship with Friend is a constant striving to live np to this ideal. Bnt this impossible ideal is a mass-media myth. It bas little to do with your true self. Look at yourself realistically.

Taking into account your individual personality, with its own special limitations, yon can discover now to be a perfect lover realistically, on yonr own terms. You will have to eradicate whatever conventional lover's mannerisms are inimical to your true self. These will be replaced by more honest and sincere and more personal ways of expressing your affection.

Line 5. --&-- His restraints are easy to bear.

Auspicious. Honor if you advance.

You have a responsibility to set restraints on others. You manage to fit the restraints perfectly to the requirements of the situation while infringing as little as possible on the freedom of others. This success will bring honor and advancement.

6. - x - His restraints are difficult to bear.

Ominous if you keep to your course. Guilt, which eventually disappears.

You have a responsibility to set restraints on others. The restraints that are required infringe cruelly on the freedom of others. You feel a sense of guilt about the unhappiness you cause. after a time, you will see that you only did what was necessary.

Unquote

The above needs no explanation. The teaching of Iching has told her do what she has to do to restore the balance in her life. She no longer has to accept the situation that she could not find the bottom of your emotional well.

Hexagram 41 Karma
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K a m a • Like everything else, love relationships go through cycles of increase and decrease. For friends and lovers, such times of decrease are often times of anxiety and despondency. They try to retain the heights of love. They regret the decrease of passion in themselves and in each other. You and Friend are in such a time. You have reached your peak and now are on your way down, into the more mundane world. Other things besides you will regain Friend's interest. Don't become jealous or spiteful about them. Other things besides Friend will regain your interest. Don't regret this replacement. Enter fully into what you are doing. If you see signs that Friend is anxious, reassure Friend of your love. Your relationship will decrease to a simpler, more everyday state. Attune yourself to the beauties and joys of being ordinary together.
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Sometimes being a friend together via Internet or other kinds of electronic communication is just a friend, without physical closeness and any type of spousal equivalent relationship. The querent will understand and decide her own path for the future. Six of wands is a man on a horse. He cannot be together with you in the same manner that you see in this relationship (at least for time period indicated in this Iching reading).

No one can predict the long term future when it comes to job and romances. The future is in your own hands and feet. Sometimes, things work. Other times, no chances at all because the man may have other obligations and responsibilities to accept your way of thinking.
 

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Hello dear friend Thank YOU!

I just have a couple of questions please....

(February 6, 1960 - me) Rat is the mythical animal and Metal is the element for a person born on this day if we consider the very old art of Chinese astrology (or Chinese zodiac).

(March 22, 1959 - E) Pig is the mythical animal and Earth is the element for a person born on this day if we consider the very old art of Chinese astrology (or Chinese zodiac).

is the Chinese zodiac different than the ICHING?

also
The Seven of Wands - meanings in different readings:

This will not only apply to difficult things - it can also point out to you that there is an opportunity to make your wildest dream come true, if only you will throw caution to the winds and dive right in!

The Seven of Wands' meaning can be interpreted as a subject who has achieved a desired goal.

The Lord of Valour is an exciting card, but when it comes up you will probably also feel a bit apprehensive. Don't let caution dampen your enthusiasm. Go ahead! Fight for what you want. If you do, you'll stand a good chance of getting it

The Seven of Wands is a card that when upright, means a testing time calling for courage and tenacity for long-term success.


Where did you come up with the metal refrences? Also, this reading was very insightful and yes, we are only communicating when we want to.

thank you for the time you took out of your day to read for me. i appreciate it very much, will keep reading.:bows:
 
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Hi, I've been reading through this interesting post after a cast of mine which resulted in hex 60.5.6 - 41.
I first asked a question on how to approach X in order to open the relationship to further possibilities. The answer I got was hex 19 changing to 11.

After having pondered over that answer I took a second cast and that time my question was "On what aspects do I need to work on regarding this relationship?" (Given that hex 19 suggests getting work done in time)

Anyways, I was reading through this post which is interesting and it seemed to point to rather limiting possibilities - Indeed the hexagrams name, but then I noticed you posted photos of an engagement ring and a wedding band. Did you and mr.E got engaged shortly after that cast of yours?
 

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