Immediacy of advise...

[Sparhawk]

I wonder what your thoughts are about the immediacy of the advise given by the Yi to a question. I don't think it has to do with proper interpretation though. You can interpret any answer as it relates to your current present, but, I am finding, more and more often, that even though I interpret my answers quite accurately for my present, the Yi is also presenting me with scenarios that are down the road, somewhere in the near to mid-term future, and they become obvious as you approach them in your timeline. Also, that those scenarios are not completely related to the situation that triggered the question in the first place, sometimes even completely unrelated...

Luis

 

[demitramn]

Luis,
At this time, this is the best way I know how to say what I am thinking about this topic. Frankly, it may not make any sense to you at all, especially if you have never considered time as truly an illusion. But here it goes..

Yi's point of view issues from a multidimensional space/time that oversee the many layers of our lives that our present thoughts and actions affect.

As you said, "You can interpret any answer as it relates to your current present" YET the hexagram results do not only affect the present moment, but ALL present moments to come. As long as our thoughts and actions that give rise to a given set of hexagrams continues UNchanged, then those hexagrams which issued out of a present moment PAST will affect our present moment FUTURE as well. This is because there is only one time period that really exists and that is NOW. It is always NOW.

Interesting question for me to tackle, not because I can't answer it to my satisfaction for myself, but because I haven't yet figured out how to explain in words to others what I intuit so easily for myself. If I can find an easier, or more rational, way to explain this I will try again another time.

Demitra

 

[demitramn]

I just asked Yi "what is the best way to go about saying what it is I am trying to say?" and got 20.3 >53

Curious, but isn't this what I just did?? Hmmm..

 

[martin]

Seth once said something to the effect that a tree is not exactly focused in what for us is the now.
Our conscious focus in time (and space) is very precise. The 'now' of a tree may span years or even decades for us.
Perhaps it is more or less the same for an oracle or for the layers that we tap when we use it?

 

[micheline]

and "right now" i could be looking at a star that actually disappeared entirely a thousand years ago.

but to Luis, I must say, I have always felt the Yi to be extremely immediate. that doesnt mean that it will always be so, and it interests me to begin to see it in another light.

 

[hilary]

Yi may do/be different things for different people (at different times).

Sometimes it's interesting to think of our life as an image of our readings, rather than the other way about. (Maybe not too often. though, in the interest of sanity?) So instead of asking 'Please show me an image of this' we're asking 'What is this an image of?'

So maybe Luis's life is just presenting many unfolding images of each reading - in the same that you might have a series of readings with the same nuclear hexagram.

Demitra, are you saying that as long as I'm not changed, 'my' hexagram patterns-for-life-experience will also be unchanged? I'd agree - but I have a feeling I've missed a lot here...

 

[demitramn]

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Demitra, are you saying that as long as I'm not changed, 'my' hexagram patterns-for-life-experience will also be unchanged? I'd agree - but I have a feeling I've missed a lot here...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Hilary,
I think we're saying the same thing, I think.

I certainly can identify with that feeling of knowing something that is waaay too big for the contours of my head

...like a dream that was so clear to half of my brain when I was waking up, yet the other half couldn't seem to manage it very coherently with words.. ..but I suspect you get my gist.

When I can explain this 'knowing' in 100 words or less, I'll post it on the board. Otherwise

, it'll find it's way into the book

.

 

[yly2pg1]

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it is a road less travel ...

 

[jte]

"...even though I interpret my answers quite accurately for my present, the Yi is also presenting me with scenarios that are down the road, somewhere in the near to mid-term future, and they become obvious as you approach them in your timeline. Also, that those scenarios are not completely related to the situation that triggered the question in the first place, sometimes even completely unrelated... "

My boring answer: basically yes, sometimes that happens.

Kind of efficient, no?

- Jeff

 

[midaughter]

I just asked Yi "what is the best way to go about saying what it is I am trying to say?" and got 20.3 >53

I would say this means your perspective is still not to its highest level which would be the top line. You still don't have the proper perspective, perhaps too secular, climb a bit higher and look down again.

 

[demitramn]

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I just asked Yi "what is the best way to go about saying what it is I am trying to say?" and got 20.3 >53

I would say this means your perspective is still not to its highest level which would be the top line. You still don't have the proper perspective, perhaps too secular, climb a bit higher and look down again.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Sunpuerh, what you say is logical, of course. In fact before I cast, this is what I was thinking. Yet for some reason Yi's response reflected where on the ladder my efforts emanated from, not from where on the ladder I would gain a better perspective. This is what I find so curious.

When I asked the question, I already believed that my efforts at explaining were meager, and arose from a form of perspective insufficiency. I was under the impression that the linear side of my thinking wasn't properly interpreting what I was intuiting because the two halves of my brain were not standing together on the same rung of the ladder, for instance.

Yet I wonder, if Yi's intent about the best way for me to say what I was thinking, was for me to focus from a higher place, my thoughts and it's response should've been more in alignment I think. Instead, the focus was on what I did, not what I thought I should do (which was your suggestion as well - go higher).

This leads me to believe that the best way to say what I was thinking was precisely in the way that I said it. Any thoughts?

 

[demitramn]

Luis,
The focus on my response-turned-question only appears like your thread is going off on another tangent.

However, this might somehow be relevant to what you are asking in some convoluted way so, if you will allow me..

Assuming go higher was Yi's true underlying message to me in the original casting, I decided to ask, "Then why not just say so?" 37.4.5.6 >55

What say you ?

 

[demitramn]

This one's for you, Luis..

I've got a few busy days ahead of me and I really didn't want to leave this hanging, so I've been obessessing over this today while I have the chance. I'm satisfied with the meaning I've extracted from it for myself - I hope others will come away with something of value, too. You might find, as I did, that the evolution of this page is an "example" of sorts for what I had been attempting to convey in my original post. Perhaps also, Luis' prime question is being addressed as well, but only he can know for sure.

I just returned from the library. Obessessed as I was with this issue while I was there, I decided to randomly pull a book off a shelf and open to any page to see what kind of helpful insight I might get. The following was the passage that my finger pointed to from Spiritual Divorce by Debbie Ford (page 132):

"To cut the karmic cords we must be able to see life through the eyes of our mate. Until we can do this, we continue living in self-centered reality. Unless we are willing to understand the other person's perspective, we continue to make ourselves right and our partner wrong. The cords continue to bind us to each other until we have learned the lessons that have brought us together. We can evolve and grow only when we are willing to give up our narcissistic view that things are only as we see them and try to understand the experience of life through the eyes of the other."

Now, I took this to mean that I should literally follow the "advice" and step into Yi's shoes (in a manner of speaking) and have a dialogue with myself about these hexagrams. I did it and it honestly didn't take long for me to figure out the reason for the results I was given. Yi was, in a very pointed way, addressing my long-standing perfectionism trait when it came to my writing. This unending demand for better work from myself, when what I had already produced was sufficient for where I was submitting it; that is, it was "good enough" for the board. My lesson here is that until I can change this perfectionist mind-set for my writing, any book-writing efforts I make will live-on longer inside my personal editing room than make its way to a public publishing house.

In regards to Luis' question: this is what I had been saying about our hexagram results propensity for living-on into our future. The core message remains, reverberating over and over again, under the guise of other outer-forms. This is what I meant when I said that until we change our thinking and behaviour the same underlying message contained in our hexagrams continues manifesting for us in our future in a myriad of ways. The fact that each day changes and appears to be different than the day that we cast our hexagrams doesn't mean that the issue that it seemed to address on that day in particular is no longer relevant in our lives - the essence of the hexagram will merely go on to disguise itself as something or someone else later on, especially if we've not grasped the fundamental meaning.

Gee, I hope that made sense

And that's what I got out of this

...now I'm off ... won't have much time for the board for a while.

Demitra

 

[pakua]

My question always is, how long does a reading last? I always seem to be struggling with this.

And as others have said, the thread of one's life connects through different circumstances - you do a reading regarding one situation, and find it has meaning for another as well, with you being the common thread.

 

[Sparhawk]

Demitra and all,

Thanks so much for your replies. I'm sorry for throwing such a question and walking away from it for a couple of days. Just been busy with many personal quests and choices.

Demitra, you are champ for me, really. I respect your views a lot. You are very insightful. A good soul. I love you for that. Also Candid, whom wrote to me in private. I love that man for his perspectives and yes, "candidness".

To all, thanks again.

Luis

 

[pakua]

I had a little experience last week that seems to be related to this thread.

On Friday I went to see my girlfriend. I was having some concern about some issue, so I cast beforehand and got 17.1. Anyway, the issue was ok, but while I was with her, I was aware of her making subtle little affectionate movements. I was touched, because usually she's more reserved. That was certainly 17, in that she was leading, I was following. Usually it's the reverse.

After I left her, I went for the first time to a Dahn yoga class, which was quite different for me from other types of yoga I've seen. I was in the position of having to take in new structures, philosophy, and methods - different than what I'm used to.

On my way home I realized, wasn't that the essence of 17.1? Going out the gate into something new.... to get other views and opinions.

So even though I initially asked about one situation, the reading carried on into a later unrelated situation.