"In the eighth moon pitfall"

[deflatormouse]

I have a reading about timing: "Is this a good time to contact x" (an old friend who i've fallen out of touch with. His brother, who i'm in touch with sporadically, discouraged a visit overall a while back but hasn't said "you really shouldn't")

45.1.2.4.5>19.

It looks fairly encouraging, even if it might call for some error aversion, or a need to find fu before the harvest.
Except... The pitfall in the eighth moon of hexagram 19's judgement text... Wait a minute, isn't that right around this time of year (August/September)?

This is the point in the lunar calendar when yang ceases rising and yin overtakes?
So maybe better to be dynamic than reciptive? But... I'm unsure of any other possible symbolic interpretation. I'm tempted to read it literally.

Timing for me creates a lot of anxiety. I always want to delay things so that I have more time to ready myself, but I have worries about missing windows of opportunity (in this case, may or may not be unfounded: he's in town now, I don't know how often he will or won't visit after this). and balancing these against a desire to keep things "pure in potential" to borrow a phrase from Hilary.

I don't really know whether to think about the eighth moon literally, or what. It's come up a couple of times in the last weeks (in one reading very early in the month I saw it more as a call to immediate action; better get this done before September).

Right place, wrong time?

Wrong planet, three hours late? Or what?

 

[cjgait]

Using Zhou Yi Dao methods for getting a single text for each divination produces 45, line 4 for this reading. The Forest of Changes verse is also positive, and carries a footnote on interesting point on the History of the Forest, but not necessarily anything relevant to your situation:

45 - 19

Wang Zhao Jun protects the nation,*
And the Xia people** receive the benefits of virtuous power.
The various tribes all united,
All coming to worship at our royal ancestral shrine.

*It is hard to interpret this use of ‘Zhao Jun’ as anything but the legendary beauty of the late Western Han. This, however, means that at least part of the Forest was written later than the generally accepted time. Wang Zhao Jun was born in 50 BCE, and her exploits to the north of the Great Wall were in the 30s BCE. This would place the writing of at least this portion of the Forest after that point. I favor the theory that at least portions of the Forest were written by Cui Zhuan, a scholar and official who served as a governor under Wang Mang.
**I.e. the Han Chinese

 

[deflatormouse]

Thanks, that is an interesting footnote!

What I've been getting from the line texts of 45 with regard to timing is that this might be more of a long-term forecast; it's positive in the long run, but not necessarily at this moment (the eigth moon time of year)...

I'm still curious about the month of the year in the judgement of 19 and struggling to find much information on it. I read somewhere that it could be about praying for rain, but unfortunately the rain doesn't come until August. Of course. It's always about the crops.

if that's the case, I could see the reading as saying this is a lasting friendship but that nothing will come of it until I make it a point to see him.

I'm just never quite sure what to make of that line when it comes up. It would be great to have a little better idea as to why 19 and August don't get along.

 

[Trojina]

I've the idea, possibly from Bradford that 19 is the time to start working not looking to harvest, spring time. If you don't do the work in springtime then in August there will be misfortune of course. I may be wrong ...perhaps you better go straight to Bradford. Well I don't think the basic idea as I've relayed it is wrong but I'm sure there's more to it than this.

45>19 yes of course it's a good time to visit X

 

[Trojina]

Timing for me creates a lot of anxiety. I always want to delay things so that I have more time to ready myself, but I have worries about missing windows of opportunity (in this case, may or may not be unfounded: he's in town now, I don't know how often he will or won't visit after this). and balancing these against a desire to keep things "pure in potential" to borrow a phrase from Hilary.

19 is that window of opportunity to do the work necessary like if you don't do the work in spring you won't harvest the crop 8 months later

 

[Nevermind]

This is more complicated then it looks... : )
Problems are Wei and You.
You Rooster will clash Mao rabbit, and that is our line, in this hexagram(2th line).
In You month, we have month clashing our line - problems.
Also counts for You days, though...

 

[deflatormouse]

This is more complicated then it looks... : )
Problems are Wei and You.
You Rooster will clash Mao rabbit, and that is our line, in this hexagram(2th line).
In You month, we have month clashing our line - problems.
Also counts for You days, though...

Thanks so much, but without knowing anything about Chinese astrology this is difficult to understand. What is the connection with the 2nd line?

 

[Nevermind]

Well... In Chinese metaphysics there is the concept of Subject/Object, Us/Others or in pinyin and as it's most often used Ti and Yong.

Basically after we ask question, the type of Hexagram will decide on what line is the person asking(or if we ask for someone else, the person we ask about), that line will be Ti.
On the opposite line in the other Trigram will be Yong, Others. So if we ask for a sport game for example, and our team is at second line, the other team will be on the fifth line, because that is the second line of the other Trigram. If it's on first line, the other team will be on 4th line etc.

19 is called 2th generation earth Hexagram.
That means that the person asking(or the thing we ask about), will be on the second line and in this specific case, that line is Mao Wood. : )

Mao wood clashes with You rooster, that is relation from their calendar - it means problems, crash between things etc. In very specific cases it can mean rush to something, but since most of the other lines are in combination here, this means all is ok all around, however with the clash on Mao, in that month it becomes - all is very good around, only problem is with us/our line.

In here we can see all the palaces and how are they attributed to the hexagrams:
http://www.biroco.com/yijing/eh.pdf
Page 5 explains the valid arrangement that is used for WWG and Yi Jing.
(this specific article isn't very practical, but we can use it to see the Palaces,also very interesting from historical point, however too much info is missing to get it for practical use imo)

If we look at "Palace of Kun" we can see Hexagram 19 is Third from left to right. That is called "second generation earth" hexagram(that part is explained somewhere in there too probably). Means that second line there will always be Ti, while fifth line will always be Yong.