Installing Love

[Sparhawk]

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I'll reply to you with a Haiku of my own:

Winter sets, New York
Three other tried, failed
The lady will stay

Now, give me my cake back (is chocolate, I don't share chocolate well...). I'll give you a fresh one on the 18th...

L

 

[willow]

>Today is the day of Yemanja (Iemanja, and some other name variations). The mother of all Yoruba Gods, Queen of the Seas.

How interesting. Also Groundhog day, Candlemas, Imbolc. A cross-quarter day.


>Is love wrong?

>I mean, isnt love just craving and self-emprisionment?

>And dont you dare to tell me there is pure love, like compassion and all that crap, I mean really really sexual love, the kind thats fun anyway

Arien: So, if you were asking for an interpretation of a reading, would you say, "and don't you dare tell me there's such a thing as the The Creative - all those yang lines Heaven, just Heaven, what crap..."

Really really sexual love could be appropriate or inappropriate. It could lead to more self-inprisonment, or to a true connexion with Other. It's part of the mix, or it wouldn't share a word with the other parts.


>he got excited because the lap counter could be used to count prostrations.

hee hee! here you were showing him Door Number 1 and Door Number 2, and he noticed there was also a Door Number 3.

 

[soshin]

...

Well, Dharma...

THIS is a good one!

Very happy!

...

I'm always too late!

Nevertheless, thank you for this great post!

Namaste,
Soshin

 

[shelley]

Hey, Dharma, we can share a cake on 19th - my birthday's the 20th! (I'm Pisces but only just.)

We should organise a party. Anybody want to come?

Love,

Shelley

 

[lenardthefast]

Mine is the 14th so I'll have that cake, Luis. I love stale chocolate. ....and, since I don't have to worry about having more than one slice, I wish to attend the other party, too. Besides, Dharma's cake looks lots tastier. (I'm a sucker for eye-candy!)

Oh, and Luis, you have been so naughty lately, what with disrobing people publicly, attempting to take back your cake, etc.; that you have to sit at the childrens' table with Arien.

You are not allowed to share those errr, 'enlargement' sites with him however, as this might be construed as 'contributing to the delinquency of a minor'. Perhaps you COULD make amends for YOUR naughty behavior by enlightening him on the finer nuances existing between Love and Sex.

Just don't spend too much time on the Sex part, as I fear this will prove counter-productive for the testosterone-ladden lad.

Michael F. has a lesson plan utilizing the standard 'Birds and Bees' variant which should suffice quite nicely.

Nanaste,
Leonard

 

[heylise]

Feb.18, the day of the Complete Picture.
Meditation: "The tiny details are the most difficult to master"
Magnetic, sensitive and philosophical, but also aloof, isolated and impatient.

Feb.20, the day of The Impression.
Meditation: "The images we receive shape the ones we transmit"
Perceptive, cooperative and memorable, but also impressionable, reactive and overemotional.

No idea if there is any truth in it.

Me: the day of the Great Enigma. "The first step in being honest is in leveling with yourself"

Strongwilled, physical and intuitive, but also self-involved and controlling. hm . . .

Seems I should know about Arien's question about love. Do I? Never thought about 'love' being wrong or right, only about how to be, and then that solves the whole love question too (at least when I seem to get closer to the being)

LiSe

 

[dharma]

paarttay! parrttay! parrttay!

there was a time when I knew how to do that very well ...maybe it's like riding a bike... no matter how long it's been, you never forget ???

i'm thinking toga party, with all the trimmings of course, but then... i fast-forward to the morning after and ughhh! just *thinking* about partying makes me tired

but wait! a cyberparty is doable!

okay then ...

early or late, come as you are
if you'll be drinking, BringYourOwnBottle
if you'll be dancing, BringYourOwnTeapot
speak any latin languages? be prepared to salsa
oh, and if you see Yoko, be nice

p.s.
Hilary, thanks for the music and song - that there's talent
Soshin, don't sweat it - better late than never
Luis, chocolate is the only way to go; ummm... the more, the darker, the better
Michael, thanks for the daily birthday reminder - but there's something about turning one day a year into a major blow-out event that's hard to resist
Willow & Kevin, so nice of you both to pop in, hope you'll be returning for the festivities - don't forget your party hats
Tashi, do join us too, your light casts a comfortable ambience and we need someone to set the proper mood
Bradford, i hope you can salsa
Leonard, when's you're birthday? i r-e-a-l-l-y hope our party plans don't clash
LiSe! Val! where are you? what's a party without women who know how to wield a handy whip?
Arien, i expect my buddha-nature to be making an appearance ...ready for that hug yet?
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[dharma]

<CENTER>Best wishes to
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who are also celebrating birthdays this month

(if there are any other Aquarian/Pisces who haven't yet stepped up to the plate, this one's for you too)

i looked for the perfect gift, but not knowing either one of you well enough i decided to stay within the theme of the page and post the following as my offering.

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[shelley]

Thank you Dharma, that's beautiful. Which character means what? And would it normally be written vertically? I'm toying with the idea of a small tattoo.

Hope everybody comes to the party. I'm getting soooo excited!

Love,

Shelley

 

[dharma]

Shelley, i wish I knew and could tell you myself,

but... i can direct you to the site where i found the phrase - i'm sure you will find your answers there

in fact, there is an english to chinese translation service offered by a professional writer who specializes in translations specifically for tattoos

check it out:
http://www.formosa-translation.com/chinese/

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Shelly-
The first character on the left is ai4, meaning love (since tatoos may be involved you always want to have corroboration!).
The second character, ji2 isn't really "is", it's more like "then", implying "becomes". Love becomes strength or love and then be strong. If you wanted to say "Love IS strength" you would use shi4, ai shi li liang.
Li liang (the two on the right) is a more modern compound meaning strength, force, vigor or resources. This can also be written li4 qi4, with the familiar word also spelled ch'i.
In the old days you would use just one character for strength, and have lots to choose from depending on what kind of strength (not li because this was too harsh a strength).
b

 

[bradford_h]

Forgot- in the old days it would have been written vertically, ai at the top, with any columns read from right to left. Today it's ok as you see it.
And, if you want me to send you a jpeg of both versions just write to me privately.
bradford@hermetica.info

 

[Sparhawk]

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Oh, and Luis, you have been so naughty lately, what with disrobing people publicly, attempting to take back your cake, etc.; that you have to sit at the childrens' table with Arien.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, as long as a fine damsel comes and rescue me after dinner I am game. I'll look from the other table. I'll get the dessert though...

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amends for YOUR naughty behavior by enlightening him on the finer nuances existing between Love and Sex.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pffft! Like I know myself. (this is where the damsel comes in and rescues me...)

BTW, I got married on Feb/14 (yes, I know, I'm a lost romantic soul...) and my wife is a Pisces of Feb/24 (and a Tiger to boot) Poor little Luis...

L

 

[Sparhawk]

Er, Brad, is there a chance I can get a brain transplant? Perhaps a few slices from your left hemisphere (just the spare ones, mind you)?

Oh, well, I guess it would have to be the hard way then. I bought a few dictionaries already and a copy of the GSR that is coming all the way from Aussie (whooho!!) Now I've gotta find the time...

L

 

[shelley]

Dharma - thanks for the link.

Bradford - thanks for your generous offer. I've just emailed you directly.

This forum's bloomin' wonderful, ain't it?

Love,

Shelley

 

[bradford_h]

Luis-
Most of that hemisphere got downloaded into my matrix & glossary.
Now I just mainly watch TV, and maybe drool a little.
b

 

[gene]

That's a cute little story Dharma.

Here's a website, (admittedly, I haven't spent much time looking at it, but I think you will find it interesting), by a couple who have been on Oprah and many other places and have had very popular seminars. The location is: http://www.therelationshipsolution.com

Gene

 

[cal val]

Dharma...

I'll be right back. Just looking for my party hat now. Can't remember where I last put it. It's been that long.

*grin*

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Found it!

Happy birthday, Dharma, Leonard, Shelley and whoever else has a birthday this month.

Love,

Val

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Dharma
I was going to send you the same jpeg I sent Shelley & then learned I had no way to contact you. Anyway, the same offer extends to you.
That was a nice thing to post (and a good thread to start too)
brad

 

[tashij]

im still thinking about the raucous sex aspect.

that's the party talk that's inteeresting me. (thank you dharma for inviting me, very genuinely moved by your invitation.)

because i have deep conflicts about this issue too.

you know, my teacher, who is the most omniscient person i ever met, lady with secret wisdom, very powerful lady lama, who knows my mind before i even whisper, gave me a dream of my boyfriend three years before i met him, (so i would know it was ok), never minded the sex. i always wondered why. it just didnt bother her, it bothered me. i think it didnt bother her cause she knew i wasnt attatched to it. and because the boy i was having it with really cared about me, as much as a guy can care about a woman, i guess.

when i got involved with the young lama, and found out there are people who use sex as part of the path, i was kinda shocked, i guess, to meet the real thing. it was confusing. my teacher wasnt so thrilled about it. she said,'if youre gonna have sex, have sex. keep it separate from the dharma practice for now."

you know, i trust her. she knows her stuff. she's been going back and forth between (tibet,sikkim,bhutan,india etc) and the west for 30 years. i think she's seen it all.

she also does say, that people who REALLY are understanding the dharma arent having sex.

so at a certain point, i think she would have asked to me curtail it.

i think with sex, attachment is the main stumbling block. plus i also feel that the two people should have mutual understanding, and not use each other.

ok .

 

[dharma]

Gene, nice to have you drop in. hope you'll be sticking around for a spell. thanks for the link, i've heard of this couple before but never actually took a look at their site - i'll check it out when i have a chance.

oh! anonymous.. i absolutely love the purple and gold on black - i read it as an omen for splendid changes ahead. bless you!

Val, will that party hat match the whip you'll hopefully be sporting? i've heard so much about it and i'm eager to compare models

i'd aim for something satiny red with a touch of black lace myself

but hey... as long as you'll be there, that's all that really counts, really

Bradford,
thanks for thinking of me. i will contact you directly when i find a few extra minutes to spare.

Tashi,
we'll have a blast, you'll see. all the sex talk or the implication of it, is all in fun and in full appreciation of its true value.

i've been celibate for years and will remain so until i meet my spiritually comparable match, which i am quite aware may not happen in this lifetime. despite what most people think, meditation has the capacity to be stunningly familiar in its sensuality when practiced indepth, so i honestly don't "miss" a thing

Joang,
where are you girl? i know you're celebrating a birthday too. dig out your party hat "kai mee xehnas na foresees to fourosou"

Hronya Polla, me agape, Demitra

 

[Sparhawk]

Hi Tash,

Interesting observation. Many different philosophical practices, both in the East and the West, use sex as a form of enlightenment, energy (Chi) buildup, conservation and/or redirection. This energy, depending on the kind of practice the sex is used, can be used for good or bad purposes (i.e White Magick or Black Magick in the West). Steve Marshall, I'm sure, knows lots about this. I wish he could add some input here.

In the East, in Taoism, if you read the Secret of the Golden Flower, for example, and some other Taoist practices, in layman's words, intercourse is OK for energy buildup, but, orgasmic release should be avoided. Specially in men since this seems to deplete Chi.

In the way I understand it, and I hope I have it right, the male practitioner should strive to produce as many orgasms on his female partner because those releases of Chi are then transfered to him for storage and further use. In order for this to be of use to him, he may not achieve an orgasmic release and thus conserve his seed within. (bummer!)

On the female side of the coin, this can only be achieved (it's party time girls!! well, sort of...) by having several male partners but also not reaching and orgasmic release.

This may be the reason your Lama friend advised you not to be a tool of somebody else's path to enlightenment.

Well, I cannot get any simpler that this without very lenghty explanations, and even at that I may have it all wrong. Still, the above is the way I understand it.

L

 

[Sparhawk]

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i've heard so much about it and i'm eager to compare models i'd aim for something satiny red with a touch of black lace myself<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

There goes my Chi... I'll never reach enlightenment...

L

 

[tashij]

welll luis that is very interesting. thanks for posting.

because my lady lama and the young male lama had very different points of view, and i was completely confused.


the lady lama said 'they use your body'

while the young lama said 'i will make you happy'.

and he wasnt talking about orgasm.

my teacher (the lady) has a method of teaching without explaining very much. so you get the teachings you get in the dream or ethereal state, (as well as regualr exoteric oral teachings), and if you clog up your system with anger or raging emotion and dont get the ethereal or dream teachings anymore, you just have to take the hard knocks and try and figure it out yourself. i dont know, either, the differences between taoist golden flower practices, and vajrayana tantric practices. and i mean genuine practice, not the messed up stuff that passes for tantra in some circles. i have a feeling with vajrayana practices it really depends on your lama and your lineage. the way my teacher does teachings vary from student to student.

they young lama, on the other hand, felt we were the same (heart to heart), said i was his wife, and it wasnt a matter of "if" it was a matter of time.

i dont know, there were so many confusing things that happened and i still dont understand it all. the sad part was was that i lost my boyfriend, who i really loved, a non buddhist artist who really tried to hang in with all this crazy stuff, till he just couldnt take it anymore.

i, like dharma, am celebate now, because one does not find so easily a partner who understands all this stuff. and after you have shared a heart center with someone, it's hard to know what to do in terms of regular human love (which is very nice too) and relationships.

hi dharma!

 

[Sparhawk]

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the lady lama said 'they use your body'

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What does your heart says?

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i dont know, either, the differences between taoist golden flower practices, and vajrayana tantric practices.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't know either because other than the theory you find in books I have not practiced either one. However, my gut feeling in all of these practices is that the real root of goodness or badness resides in "intent". I believe the real intention of the practitioners, rather than the techniques used to achieve their goals, is the balancing point of it all.

Your lady Lama seems to me as pragmatic in the sense that she knows human nature, in reality, is more on the "give me" side of things rather than on the "I give you" one. She gave you a warning with no vested interests other than your relationship student/teacher. On the other hand, the young Lama may have had, although perhaps unspoken, some further intentions other than the immediate act.

L

 

[soshin]

Thanks for posting, Tash,

just my two pennies worth: In our lineage sex isnt really a big deal. But I completely agree with your lady lama that a person who fully understands the dharma (and therefore lives it) lives as a celibate. I dont know exactly why this is so, but it certainly "feels right" to me and as I learned from speaking with dharma friends with higher levels of samadhi and from different walks of life, at one time in the life of all of them their celibacy started to evolve as a matter of fact and without them really knowing why. Maybe an energetic phenomena (when often in deep samadhi the need for getting energy from outside should cease).

Interesting, huh?

Namaste,

Soshin

 

[tashij]

yes it is interesting soshin, and thank you for writing.

yes, i agree with you luis, she is very pragmatic, and addressed her questions to the unknown intentions i couldnt see.

the difficult thing i learned is that one cannot always trust the heart. it does not always have the answer. the gut, maybe better.

 

[tashij]

oh -- luis, it's really too bad about your chi.

dharma with that whip is just too much!!!!!

oh well. next lifetime. as a frog.

 

[Sparhawk]

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oh well. next lifetime. as a frog. <!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... A frog with me inside... A prince charming waiting to be kissed. Oops, wrong tale...

L