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Interesting link - chinese prediction of 2005 in hindsight...

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jesed

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jajajaja, thanks rosada.. nice answer


5... rain cann't be produced by man's effort...

5.2 unfair and false incriminations, but at the end, that rumors would end

63 leave that rumors in the past, cross the river about them
 
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Oh right, Jesed. I hadn't even noticed that 5 specifically says rain not produced by man's effort.
Love it!
 

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It's too bad that the internet lets any creep come barge in to disrupt and distract from otherwise valuable discussions. A weakness of the medium, I suppose.

Amusing how Sunflare did exactly what Bruce told him to do: "Now, I suppose you're going to attempt a cheap psychoanalysis of that." Sure enough, thats just what he did.

And creepy how Sunflare did *exactly* what he accused Bruce of doing: "The only way you feel you can win with people like me is by playing your AGGRESSIVE card in whatever way works, and THEN playing the wounded soldier who was ambushed card to elicit sympathy. Sound familiar? It should, cause that's what you do best - manipulate. "

I'm guessing it sounds reeeeaaal familiar to Mr. Creep there.

More almost textbook classic creepiness, yet so very transparent, when Sunflare wrote: "If any of you here have the balls to go back and re-read my posts you will find there was no ATTACK on ANYONE at ANYTIME."

After all, in his first post he wrote: "and since this board seems to have attracted more than its fair share of "psychologists" and "shrinks" ( yeah, right!) then the distance between sanity and lunacy must be LARGE, indeed, as seen by the "professional" responses such issues get around here"

Guess that would make Sunflare a liar, eh? But I'm guessing most of us already had him pegged for that quite some time ago.

Oh, one more thing. Sunflare wrote: "when anyone tries to post new or unusual ideas, ideas that the majority in here don't exactly understand"

I HOPE he's not referring to this: "Human beings live within frameworks of larger meaning. That is, they must have a frame of orientation, some way of making sense of the world, otherwise they cannot survive in a meaning void. Thus, through largely UNCONSCIOUS frames we view reality; frames that determine what we ALLOW ourselves to see, literally. "

I hope Sunflare understands that parroting truisms that can be found in any high school psychology textbook worthy of publication hardly constitutes posting "new or unusual ideas". Sure, it's true enough. And everyone over 18 with half an education knows it too, Einstein.
 
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I hope Sunburst?s diatribes don't slow down the board?s activity. Believe me, they?re nothing to be intimidated by. Just a lot of noise, with the sole intent to bring out the worst in people. More of a pain in the ass than a real threat.

There was a time when I might have enjoyed taking up an argument such as this. Part of me still would, but I now think that would show disrespect to not only myself, but to the others who visit and write here. Nobody wants or needs to hear it. It lowers the bar too far. At least for me.

I hope someday Starburst and her friends get over their bitterness.
 

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Can I leave a call for someone to e-mail me when all this really silly diatribe ceases and something is said and debated here which is fairly simple to comprehend. Like how the meaning of life can be applied to the I- Ching or is this all there is? are we the meaning??? thanks, not this thread in particular, all of them seem to have gone off the rails.../ Cheers
 
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I too have no interest in even reading the threads anymore. I spend most of my time scrolling down - and there is so little of what I thought the real purpose was here anymore.

It saddens me because I have learned so much and enjoyed giving my opinions too.

Rosalie
 
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jesed

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Hi Rosalie

Maybe you find intersting try www.e-ching.com forum

Is originally in Spanish... but has a tool to translate into English

Best wishes

ps. be aware... is a site with too much confucio and "moral" jajaja
 

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("jajaja" ??? Jesed I gotta ask you what does it mean ? )
 
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Hi Void

Joyfull reaction.

Something like "man? Yi Jing is a great dude... yes, rain cann't be made by man's effort"

When answers like this happen, always inlight my day.

best wishes
 
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jesed

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oh... maybe you was talking about the second "jajaja", about www.e-ching.com

well... this "moral" issue against confucio in modern society always make me smile. That's all

Posting like a "warning" that this site has "too much confucio and moral" is, of course, a joke
 
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jesed

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oh. i had try today the translation into English tool in www.e-ching.com

Is automatical translation... and bad translation
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Ah I see, thanks Jesed. Yeah 5,2 was a great answer for the Katrina question.

BTW Peace Greatvessel is another new site where no squabbling has broken out as yet - but thats maybe because hardly anyones posted there yet.(its very highbrow
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Funny, just a thought, do you think they are trying to attract a different kind of 'Yi Jing clientele'
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I suppose us here can be rather basic at times.
 
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jesed

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Hi Void

I decide no to post in Great Vessel because of their policy about copyright
(any idea, thought, tool that you post in there, is automatically "property" of Karcher)

Thanks God Fu Shi, King Wen and others didn't know about "copyrights"
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That's a scary copyright policy! Maybe it's not what they meant? As soon as access to the path C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\Temporary ASP.NET Files\root\06bf0b05\61f30b00 is no longer denied (remind me never to attempt a dynamically-generated site on Windows!) I will have to go read the small print.

I think GreatVessel are trying *not* to attract personal vendettas
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, and I wish'em all kinds of luck with that! Also, they have active moderation and are not afraid to delete unwanted parts of posts. So their forum will probably be a more reliably peaceful place than this one.

I think we go through ups and downs here - over the years there have been a whole lot. But let's not 47.1 about it. If current threads are tedious, ignore them and start one that isn't.
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And now I really must do something about my 'mid-month' (heh) newsletter... blog posting today and mailing tomorrow, I guess...
 

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Wow ! Am fascinated by the rule that "you agree not to impersonate any person or entity....
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Impersonate an entity ?
 

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So the link is working for you?
Odd. Not for me.
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Jesed, I suppose the issue is on posting the material. If you post a LINK to material then all that has been submitted is the link, NOT the material - IOW a reference to something outside of the scope of that list. The reader then has the choice of following the link or notm without knowing what the idea etc is (and so it is not explicitly submitted to that domain. Then come the issues of implicit submission in the form of the link - so I just add a link to yahoo central and see how their lawyers would feel about their material being 'taken over'!)

The notice is interesting in that the wording represents a form of theft (or 'legal' plagerism) and so it not suitable for unconditional discussion where existing copyright etc is accepted. IOW if I have an idea published on my websites and copyrighted as such, and then submit that idea to their forum, they are trying to claim that is a transference of copyright! LOL! sure dudes!

I have some posts there but either they contain links or not enough information to 'steal' without going outside of the domain to read my websites (or threads on clarity). The act of going outside of the domain to 'fill in the dots' of an idea etc means the WHOLE idea was NOT submitted to the domain and so any claim of ownership of that idea is null and void.

Chris.
 

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BTW -academic journals will insist on one's paper being 'transferred' to their copyright. They are running a business and the 'cost' of publication is covered in the gaining of the copright such that they can sell the particular article and/or get kudos that encourages subscriptions etc etc - if the paper is 'good' then the author gets kudos for (a) the paper and (b) being published in some 'well known' journal - e.g. Nature etc.

In commercial magazines they use their own staff writers or contract writers for a fee - and so keep all of the copyright unless there is some deal made to keep the copyright in the hands of the author (book publications will more often assign the copyright to the author)

In the computer industry there is 'open source' copyright that allows for free use of material as long as the GNU copyright is present.

There are issues with this in that projects developed using open source can have issues re intellectual property etc when patents etc are sought.

Chris.
 

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Hi folks

I am writing here with my Great Vessel hat on.

A little about us: The site is jointly run by the three of us, that is myself, Pete and Stephen. You can find who does what in our 'about us'

One of the services we are trying to provide is to make available a free platform for others to publish on. This might be a paper or article, or it might mean us selling an eBook on their behalf. We are committed to the Yi and divination and want to provide a service as well as making a small living. So most of the material we will be posting will be free to read and to download, as it is now.

Our forum policies are designed to protect GreatVessel and its users, no more. We certainly do not seek to own or take other people?s material. On re-reading that particular section it does seem overly tough (or protective!). I have pointed this out to Pete, who has undertaken to review it, if I let him have a break from programming!

I noticed the comment on our site being ?highbrow?. We do not have any lofty academic aspirations, but do aim to have a wide spread of material from academic papers to introductory material. There is so much stuff we just don't have online yet.

It is very difficult to get forums going and a quiet forum can be daunting for the poster. When they do get going it will be the members / posters who define them.

Hilary is right, we do have a 'delete post' policy, but only to be used as a last resort if folk are abusive toward others and they refuse to heed requests to stop.

All the best

--Kevin
 
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jesed

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Hi Kevin

As i said, I wish you the best... and as i said (I'm, in professional world, an attorney) the expression in the policies is clear: by accepting the policies, any "creative idea" posted is "property" of Great Vessel.

I think is not your idea, but your legal advicer's idea.

And I completelly agree with the need of some rules to avoid disrespect in public forums. Is question of balance, not to much limitations, but some limitations in deed, as hex 60 said.

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Hi Jesed

I did not take your comments as anything other than an expression of real, and valid, concern.

The guy in the back room is re-drafting right now.

Thanks for drawing this to my attention. We need something that protects both outselves and the posters as well. We want a safe place for people to share and grow with a free exchange of ideas. Hence our own (free) material is free to circulate privately. We only ask that our link travels with them. We will get there.

Thanks for your good wishes
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All the best

--Kevin
 

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