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kiri

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I was wondering what the hexagram 8 says about intimacy between two people. Were they romantically ot physically intimate

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Thank you for your answer. I asked again what is their reason
39.4.5 to 62.
any more help is appreciated.
 

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asked again what is their reason
39.4.5 to 62.

It would seem that the person in question is having troubles in their current relationship and therefore is seeking comfort elsewhere.
 

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Does the other party of the relationship do likewise?
61.3 to 9

is it best X and Y do not come back together as a couple?
hex 1.4.6 to 5

Namaste and thanks for offering your valuable insight. they are all true.
 
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Does the other party of the relationship do likewise?
61.3 to 9

The other party is in love with the person you are asking about, there is a great depth of feeling here.
 

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Does the one that is asked about have feeling s for the person they broke with ?

36 - they keep their feelings secret, is it ?

How does x feel about z (the other party)

hex 4

is it best X and Y do not come back together as a couple?
hex 1.4.6 to 5
 
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8, lines 1,2,4, to 58, does indeed show intimacy, and mutual joy.

39, lines 4,5, to 62 shows that there is a road which is closed for
the subject of 39. This person cannot go where they'd like to, and
thus turns elsewhere for help. 62 shows that in general not much
is to be expected from this situation as a whole.

61:3, this person is in love.

36, this person feels hurt.

4, these feelings of this person are immature and unclear.

is it best X and Y do not come back together as a couple?
hex 1.4.6 to 5
The situation seems undecided. There's hovering and danger,
and one of the two is arrogant, which in turn will make this
person regret it. Perhaps it means that the person who wants
to leave is still undecided; this person may take things too far,
will regret it, and how this person reacts at that point, or if the
other party will accept them back, is still anybody's guess.
 

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Hi diamanda, wow, it is very accurate!

62 shows that in general not much
is to be expected from this situation as a whole.

What does this mean actually?

Your interpretation of hexagram 1,4,6 is very spot on!

I asked again why they feel hurt?
4.5 to 59.

Thank you.
 
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diamanda

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Hi kiri,

"62 shows that in general not much
is to be expected from this situation as a whole.
What does this mean actually?"

I think it means that this intimacy with the third party will
not amount to much, and will not lead to anything serious.

"I asked again why they feel hurt?
4.5 to 59."

The person feeling hurt here (im a bit confused as to which
of the three parties you mean here!) seems to be childlike,
immature; they feel a bit like a child left behind. It might
have to do with leftover childhood feelings of abandonment.
This person does not really know what's going on, and is not
certain why this whole situation is happening. This person,
however, also has modesty, and will seek wise advise from
others, and this will help this person overcome their pain
more easily than expected.
 

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Diamanda,

the situation is exactly as you interpreted. Exactly! The person feeling hurt would be the one with intimacy with another. Apparently X sought solace from somewhere else.

I asked what the agenda of the person whom X sought comfort from was
29.5 to 7

I also asked - will the person who is hurt and confused find the truth of the situation soon?
55.6 to 30

What will result from the situation?
18.3 to 4

Does X actually have feelings of love for Y?
44.1.6 43

The hexagram for that seems to have root of seduction and breaking off?

Thank you for your interpretation help once more! :)
 
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diamanda

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I asked what the agenda of the person whom X sought comfort from was
29.5 to 7

I don't think that person has an agenda, or if they do, they will not pursue
it. They were thinking of fighting for X, but they know it's a very dangerous
situation, and thus i don't think they will. They will probably concentrate on
how to save and extricate themselves from this position/situation.

I also asked - will the person who is hurt and confused find the truth of the
situation soon? 55.6 to 30

Line 55:6 reminds me very much of line 1:6. And is also related to line
4:5. A lot depends on if this person (is this X then?) becomes isolated or
not. I think this person will indeed have a tendency to isolate themselves,
and not speak about it to their nearest and dearest, and the result will
not be good at all, if this happens. Having said that, this person still wants
to remain with the initial partner, in their heart. But their behaviour might
ruin their chances.

What will result from the situation?
18.3 to 4

This is the second factor to be considered. Not only X should not become
isolated, but Y should be very strict indeed with X, about the whole situation.
Something has been spoiled because of immaturity. A lot of strictness is
needed here, but again it is not clear if it will happen or not. Because
there seem to be quite a few people involved, depending on each person's
reaction, there is the danger here that there will be more immaturity
in the whole situation.

Does X actually have feelings of love for Y?
44.1.6 43

This answer says to me that the issue is not if X has feelings for Y, that
this does not matter in this situation; what matters is that these lowly urges
should be curbed with a 'brake of bronze' and should not be tolerated. Line
44:6 shows a huge argument perhaps? Great strictness? Either X will realise
by themselves that 'comfort elsewhere' is something which is a no-go, and
remain resolute in pursuing Y; or Y will be very strict with X, and there will
be a decision of some sort. The feelings of X at this point are not relevant,
what matters here is their actions (ie the affair); when the affair will be
out of the way, then things will become clear.

Hope it all works out for the best!
 

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Hi Diamanda,

Thank you for your advice as well as illumination of the situation.
Y approached X directly and X actually denied everything and make it seem like it is Ys fault.

I asked how does X feel about being confronted by Y about the matter?
29.1.3.4.5 (I find it changing line 2 not included here interesting)

I actually hit the button twice by mistake and it generated another hexagram
30.1.5.6 to 31

Could you please help me interpret this as well?

So the situation between X and another party is due to lust. It was enquired if the original split of x and y is due to the attraction for another
24.3 to 36

Thank you to both you and willowfox for helping me on the hexagrams.
The way you described them are very true. Y was not very strict with X but X did and does have a tendency for isolation. Furthermore, X will not (like a child) submit to Y's strictness. However, X is immature and like a lost child, and Y was wondering if X or the other party was at fault.

Who was at fault: Y or the other party?
19 does this speak of both?

Thankyou:hug:
 
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diamanda

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"Y was not very strict with X"
"X actually denied everything and make it seem like it is Ys fault"

- this sounds like 18:3>4. There should have been strictness, but
there wasn't, and that led to more immaturity. That makes more sense
now.

how does X feel about being confronted by Y about the matter?
29.1.3.4.5 (I find it changing line 2 not included here interesting)
I actually hit the button twice by mistake and it generated another hexagram
30.1.5.6 to 31

29.1.3.4.5>34 - endangered, scared, and is thinking of persisting to their
point of view, in order to gain power over the situation again.
30.1.5.6 to 31 - confused, sad, knows they're in the wrong, and are maybe
also thinking of wooing Y. 30: still clinging to Y.
With so much confusion and immaturity both of these could well be true.

if the original split of x and y is due to the attraction for another
24.3 to 36

I don't think this was the initial reason. The reason was X's indecision and
instability. X did have some good intentions, they knew what the right thing
was, but could not bring themselves to do it, took a bad turn, and that led into
hurt. This hurt (36), according to your other readings, brought about more
immaturity, then the road to Y was blocked, and then X needed help, hence
the attraction with the third party became possible. At least that's how it
sounds to me.

Who was at fault: Y or the other party?
19 does this speak of both?

I don't see any 'fault' in this answer. As you said, it says that it was a mutual
approach. From all your readings, i can see that at the centre of all the problems
here is X. They were hurt indecided and confused, and instead of talking it out
and trying to solve it, became isolated, and turned elsewhere. At the same time,
Y should have been much stricter (18:3, 44:1, 44:6), and wasn't, and thus the
whole situation is somewhat thrown out of balance. The third party does not
sound as if they have anything to do with all this; perhaps they didn't even know
that there's a problem elsewhere, although they must realise it now. So, the
fault is not a question of X-or-Z, but in the dynamics between X and Y.
 

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Diamanda,

thank you so much for your reply. I have thought about what you said alot.
Howver someone just told me a spell was put on X to bind them to Z, and that accounts for X's strange behviour towards Y

Y is now feeling so sorry for accusing X about Z. Because the reason for X's break with Y is because Y kept asking about Z and X was really unhappy.

Now Y wants to send a letter of apology to X. What will happen?
49.1.6 to 33

Y is very shocked by this; Z was definitely coming into play.
I wondered if the iching could spread some light . Did Z put a spell on X?
37.2.3 to 61

Also you mentioned strictness but X does not like being fenced by Y.
All this is like a whirlpool of confusion. Thanks for helping me. Namaste.
 
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Now Y wants to send a letter of apology to X. What will happen?
49.1.6 to 33

Y should not act for now (49:1). They need to completely change
the way they view this situation (49:6). And then retreat. So,
about the letter of apology, the advice is not with this way of
thinking. Even if the way of thinking changes, retreat does not
sound like a yes either.

Did Z put a spell on X? 37.2.3 to 61
37:2 speaks of a woman who leads a plain life. 37:3 speaks of
strictness again. It doesn't sound like a spell at all to me. Perhaps
Z is a person of the house, and strict when she has to, and that's
what X likes about her?

"X does not like being fenced by Y", well ok, i only commented on the
changing lines. So, Y had suspicions, about X and Z. They proved to be
true. And now Y wants to apologise? I find this strange. The way it sounds
to me is that X just wants his cake and eat it and not be questioned by
anyone about it, and gets stroppy when someone tells them it's not on?
Y should have a really good think about it all imo (49:6).
 

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