Is he going to be deported?

[Mylife]

Hi everyone,

My brother in law lives in France for 20 years on visa. He is studying the university for the past 20 years (yeah! I know… 20y in uni it’s terrible).
He never worked to maintain himself but he been supported by his family and in the past 5 years family finally breathed because he received benefits from the council due to his serious health issues (heart transplant).

For the past 3 months, his visa and benefits have been stopped without any details. He is trying to understand why but he has no answer. Seems that the home office is still processing his documents and investigating further. So right now he is in standby.

Before his documents were suspended he was still studying and receiving benefits because he claimed that he can’t work due to his illness.

I know it’s a silly / lazy story. But he doesn’t want to go to work, he just wants to study to finish his university. (He is 40 years old by the way).

Any way… now you know a bit of his story

I asked the oracle if he will be deported back to his country, and I received 22.5-37

I struggle to associate 22 and 37 to my question.
22- beauty, adorning, grace
37- household, family

37- talks about family and family support. That
makes me think that his family will support him again? Or he will be send back to family?

Can someone help me understand what is the oracle trying to tell me?

Thank you

 

[Trojina]

I struggle to associate 22 and 37 to my question.

Luckily Yi has provided up with change lines that tell us things. You have one line moving so that's a real focus of the answer. If you can't associate 22 and 37 the line that links them does it for you.



'Beauty in a hilltop garden.
Rolls of silk: small, so small.
Shame.
In the end, good fortune.'

This is generally a situation where there is some feeling of inadequacy regarding what one has to offer. It is like a bridegroom (in 22) making his offering to the family ...showing the family he is a good man to marry but he outwardly has little to offer so feels embarrassed or is embarrassed by those with more.

I don't think he will be deported according to this answer. Is he in a nice place in France? I'm looking at 'beauty in a hilltop garden', look at the line and see if anything can be taken literally.

Seems to me that while outwardly he may not seem to have a great deal to offer he actually does, or that he can offer them enough genuine worth/truth in order to be allowed to stay. I feel any suspicion over him will be over turned.

I may be wrong I don't know the future but it's not a bad answer. It's showing someone who has little living among those who seem to have much more and so feeling lesser than them, but he need not worry.

 

[Mylife]

Luckily Yi has provided up with change lines that tell us things. You have one line moving so that's a real focus of the answer. If you can't associate 22 and 37 the line that links them does it for you.



'Beauty in a hilltop garden.
Rolls of silk: small, so small.
Shame.
In the end, good fortune.'

This is generally a situation where there is some feeling of inadequacy regarding what one has to offer. It is like a bridegroom (in 22) making his offering to the family ...showing the family he is a good man to marry but he outwardly has little to offer so feels embarrassed or is embarrassed by those with more.

I don't think he will be deported according to this answer. Is he in a nice place in France? I'm looking at 'beauty in a hilltop garden', look at the line and see if anything can be taken literally.

Seems to me that while outwardly he may not seem to have a great deal to offer he actually does, or that he can offer them enough genuine worth/truth in order to be allowed to stay. I feel any suspicion over him will be over turned.

I may be wrong I don't know the future but it's not a bad answer. It's showing someone who has little living among those who seem to have much more and so feeling lesser than them, but he need not worry.

Thank you @Trojina I really appreciate your support. I will look more into the line and trying to understand more.
But thanks a lot for your help.

 

[Hans__]

Hi Mylife,

I asked the oracle if he will be deported back to his country, and I received 22.5-37

Probably not, but there is a chance it is going to be a lengthy process before there is clarity.
The lower trigram is stable, Fire
The upper trigram in H22 is Mountain with a moving line at the 5th position that generates Wind.
Mountain is the immovable, the holding on to, Wind on the other hand, is the invisible force that sets things in motion.
But Wind is also long-term and procrastinating, moving forward step by step. In the answer, therefore, you see movement coming to the initially immovable, but it is not without effort and struggle.
Fire as the lower trigram is the driving force here, so to speak, a passion for staying there?.
The moving yin line at the 5th position is a weaker leader, in Wind this is a yang line so a strong leader. It is therefore a strong leader who initiates the process of movement (the process of getting a residence permit).
This could mean that your brother will have to take charge though and chase the authorities in France (civil services in France are known to be v-e-r-y slow and sluggish).

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest

 

[rosada]

“Beauty in the hilltop garden” reads to me like a description of a collage campus and the small rolls of silk could be diplomas. Perhaps “shame” here could be the feeling he should have more to show for his 20 years than a piece of paper - or silk - but “In the end good fortune” is encouraging. Perhaps if he does ultimately have to return to home and 37. Family, he will find the degree he earned sufficient to get him some sort of position. Certainly the lines are so gentle it sounds like even if he were to be deported it would not be a bad thing.
Or perhaps these hexagrams are describing him as believing that he is a humble monk whose studies and care will always be provided by “family” which could mean actual blood relatives or government social services. Sounds iffy but hey, it’s been working for him so far!

 

[Mylife]

@Hans__ and @Trojina I read more about these hexagrams with your interpretation in mind.
I understand from your interpretation that most likely he will not be deported but it will take time to resolve his issue. He will also be questioned very much and turned up and down by questions for the government to obtain what they need to make a conclusion.

@rosada Maybe he feels “shame” because he abused the system for soo long. And whether he will return or not he has family or government support.
With regards to the idea “if he is deported it might not be a bad thing” I agree in a sense that if he failed in France, and after 20 years he achieved nothing perhaps that is not the right place for him. And going back home and moving on with life it could not be as bad as it might seem.

But we will wait and see what destiny decided.

I also asked more of a generic advice question: “what’s my brother in law situation” and the answer was 21.3.5-55
Which as an overall answer I think is telling me he needs to eradicate the problem (the visa issue) and then abundance follows. Which again can be seen as visa is granted and abundance follows or he is being sent home and if is not necessary a bad thing then again life will offer different opportunities and abundance follows from a different angle.

With total honesty, My biggest fear is him falling financially on our shoulders (mine and my husband). Him starting asking money and my husband accepting to give him. That will be devastating because we already made sacrifices and I would hate this to happen again. I keep thinking for about a week how to ask the corect question for an advice about this topic. I keep writing so many questions but they don’t fit the correct way of asking a question to the oracle. Any advice on how to formulate it to understand if he will fall on us and we need to make sacrifices again to support him?

Thank you everyone with all my heart. For you time and help.

 

[rosada]

Possible questions…
How can my husband and I best help my brother-in-law?
What if we offer to give him money?
What if we don’t?
What effect would a job have on my brother-in-law’s health?

 

[Trojina]

@Hans__ and @Trojina I read more about these hexagrams with your interpretation in mind.
I understand from your interpretation that most likely he will not be deported but it will take time to resolve his issue. He will also be questioned very much and turned up and down by questions for the government to obtain what they need to make a conclusion.

Just to clarify, I haven't said anything about it taking time in my interpretation. There is no mention of time there as far as I'm concerned, it isn't part of my interpretation. I'm reading 22 line 5 nothing more than that. Nor have I said he will be 'questioned very much' as that is nowhere in the cast at all IMO. I'm just clarifying because you seem to be under the impression Hans and I have said the same thing.

It may well take time just because these kinds of things do take time all I'm saying is I don't see that in the cast.

 

[Trojina]

I also asked more of a generic advice question: “what’s my brother in law situation” and the answer was 21.3.5-55
Which as an overall answer I think is telling me he needs to eradicate the problem (the visa issue) and then abundance follows. Which again can be seen as visa is granted and abundance follows or he is being sent home and if is not necessary a bad thing then again life will offer different opportunities and abundance follows from a different angle

Abundance isn't following. The relating hexagram is not the outcome nor the future though it can of course contain elements of both. It is better thought of the surrounding context and relation to the situation etc. I think I've said all that to you before.....sorry. It's just thinking that 55 'follows' is not a useful way to look at readings IMO.

 

[Mylife]

@Trojina my response was my interpretation after reading your annd Hans annswers together with my further reading into my book.
I cc’ed you and Hans in my answer just as a response to you. I didn’t intend to mean that you said the words I wrote.

Just to clarify, I haven't said anything about it taking time in my interpretation. There is no mention of time there as far as I'm concerned, it isn't part of my interpretation. I'm reading 22 line 5 nothing more than that. Nor have I said he will be 'questioned very much' as that is nowhere in the cast at all IMO. I'm just clarifying because you seem to be under the impression Hans and I have said the same thing.

 

[Trojina]

I also asked more of a generic advice question: “what’s my brother in law situation” and the answer was 21.3.5-55
Which as an overall answer I think is telling me he needs to eradicate the problem (the visa issue) and then abundance follows. Which again can be seen as visa is granted and abundance follows or he is being sent home and if is not necessary a bad thing then again life will offer different opportunities and abundance follows from a different angle.

So things are kind of coming to a head for him. 55 is where he is, it's all kind of making his look at things or face things but this serves him well in the end by the look of line 5

 

[Mylife]

So things are kind of coming to a head for him. 55 is where he is, it's all kind of making his look at things or face things but this serves him well in the end by the look of line 5

I don’t understand what you mean. Sorry… probably my English. Can you explain more what you mean about 55 and line 5?

 

[Mylife]

By the way I made a mistake, the answer was: 21.3.6-55

 

[Mylife]

Abundance isn't following. The relating hexagram is not the outcome nor the future though it can of course contain elements of both. It is better thought of the surrounding context and relation to the situation etc. I think I've said all that to you before.....sorry. It's just thinking that 55 'follows' is not a useful way to look at readings IMO.

I always thought the first hex is an advice on the current situation and the second hex is how the situation changes into.
If I am wrong can you direct me where I can more more about the meaning of first and second hex

 

[Trojina]

Why look at the relating hexagram?

Why would someone ignore the relating hexagram? A few people have told me lately that they don't tend to look at the relating hexagram - the second one, the one found by changing any changing lines in your cast hexagram - as they don't really find anything in it. They're not alone: if any part of a

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...and

The old 'resulting hexagram' conundrum

I recently had an email from 'M', who's baffled by a recent reading. M's particular question was a little unusual, asking what he himself is really looking for in a given situation, but the basic problem he's having is familiar: "Essentially, I am confused as how to interpret the original hexagram,

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[Mylife]

Possible questions…
How can my husband and I best help my brother-in-law?
What if we offer to give him money?
What if we don’t?
What effect would a job have on my brother-in-law’s health?

@rosada thank you for this

The Questions suggested look like i am having a conversation with the I Ching. Can I do this? In a sense that, can I ask “how can we help him” and then “what if we don’t offer money”?
Is it possible to have a conversation with the I Ching rather than just one question?

 

[Hans__]

Hi MyLife

what’s my brother in law situation” and the answer was 21.3.6-55

H21 is Fire over Thunder
Thunder with a moving line at the 3rd position is self-destructive, anger, rage, crisis etc. from the feeling of choices being made by external factors rather than oneself. There is a passive attitude here while action is demanded. Fire's advice is to face the truth of the situation, to look at it with clarity and act upon that clarity.

The text of this line says:

H21.3
He bites through dried meat
And encounters something poisonous.
Slight humiliation. No blame.

Dried meat shows that this is aboutthings that has been around for a long time. To encounter something poisonous means it is about issues that have a negative/crippling effect.
In the end, this is something positive because at least there is now some clarity in the situation.

It could be that your brother-in-law comes to the realisation that the current situation is the consequence of his own irresponsible actions.

Fire with a moving line at the 6th position generates Thunder.
Fire out of balance as upper trigram holds to its own truth and acts accordingly. It is engrossed in outward display. This too has a destructive effect because when Fire burns too vigorously it also means it runs out of fuel faster which eventually extinguishes the Fire.
Thunder is the shock, the fist that bangs on the table that says "things must change now", resolutely acting differently.
The text of this line says:

H21.6
His neck is fastened in the stocks,
So that his ears disappear.
Misfortune.

I would not see this text as a prediction but as a warning.
Here a situation is described where there is no way out, nor is one open to advice (his ears disappear).
If one doesn't want to listen then learn it the hard way.

An interesting point is that both hexagrams talk about "doing justice" but from a different perspective. In H21, justice is done from the outside ( the Image text talks about the King doing justice). In H55, it is done from within ( the superior person judges cases, those cases here can also refer to himself). Doing justice is a form of putting things back in order (Fire), bringing things back to the way they should be.

All in all, not an easy situation for your brother-in-law, but one that seems necessary.

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest

 

[Mylife]

It could be that your brother-in-law comes to the realisation that the current situation is the consequence of his own irresponsible actions.

@Hans__ I am hoping he comes to this realisation.

If one doesn't want to listen then learn it the hard way.

Makes sense indeed.

All in all, not an easy situation for your brother-in-law, but one that seems necessary.

Also agree with you.

Thank you for helping me understand it more.
I like the way you read the hex. Do you follow a particular book?

Thanks

 

[Trojina]

Mylife's brother in law was not deported as she updates here

Will he finish his university? 40.3.6-50

This is a follow up on one of my last posts. Where my brother in law was risking to be deported. His legal situation cleared and they let him stay. Now that things went back to normal, I asked for an insight about his university. I asked, do you see him finishing the university (he has 3 or 4...

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[Mylife]

Mylife's brother in law was not deported as she updates here

Will he finish his university? 40.3.6-50

This is a follow up on one of my last posts. Where my brother in law was risking to be deported. His legal situation cleared and they let him stay. Now that things went back to normal, I asked for an insight about his university. I asked, do you see him finishing the university (he has 3 or 4...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

That’s right. He wasn’t and he received the support he was receiving before the whole issue started.