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firehorse

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Hello All,

I haven't been here in a long, long time...I'm so happy to see this site is still so active! I would really appreciate some input into some job choice questions I posed if you would share your expertise.

A brief background: I am an advanced practice nurse working in a very specialized field. I work with an internationally-recognized specialist in the top of his field in an internationally-recognized health system that usually is in the top 3-4 of the US News and World Report Top Hospitals list every year. And this health system is the leader in training physicians for this specialty. I actually work at a smaller hospital on the other side of city; MOST of the benefits of the larger health system but at a facility with smaller, community feel. Although there are supposed to be two in my role, I have been the one and only and the other position has been vacant for last 6 months. I am tired and a bit frustrated, because my role has become more task and less practice as I am trying to do the job of two. I also work long days and have a long commute (1 hr each way, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter...it's 35 miles but city traffic is difficult as is typically); I have also been spending a lot of time logging in from home and doing work; if I had to quantify I would say 5 hrs/wk minimum. I do only work 4 days/wk though.

One of my ongoing 'gripes' (not really a gripe, but a concern that I have shared) is that there is very little structured training in this position (and in the field in general for non-physicians). It is very difficult, and at my facility, where I work with a top-of-his-field doc, there is even less because 1)program is small; 2) top doc is the director of this program but actually spends most of his time either at the university-based hospital ('the big house') or travelling to conferences, etc, etc, etc. i.e. he's not there much 3) he has a reputation for being cranky 4) he doesn't really see the 'training' as his job at this facility. I have been left to 'figure things out myself' many times. That being said, I'm a self-starter, I figured it out; I'm finding there's not an abundance of those like me for whatever reason. I have other concerns as well...

I was offered another position, one that is somewhat closer (so maybe commute would take 30 min each way), has set hours (as it is in an office), and working with another top-doc, one that was trained by my current doc. This doc is offering 1:1 mentoring, something I have not had, for a minimum of 6 months. He's also reportedly a really nice guy. The pay cut, however is huge. If I factor out costs of commuting to city and parking, it's still a significant pay cut. Enough that I have turned it down twice...but they have come back with higher offers. And benefits aren't as generous, as it is not a university-based health system. That being said, it is a regional group of docs with about 20+ offices in the greater metropolitan area. I don't think I'm going to get a higher offer (never higher in salary, just came back with bonuses and other perks).

I know I mentioned above that the doc I work with can be cranky. He has that reputation, but, probably because I figured things out without him, he LOVES me. I told him that I was considering another offer, and he told me to make a 'wish list' of whatever I wanted to stay, and he went to the CMO of hospital who also asked me the same. What do I want? I want to work in office as well as in hospital to expand my knowledge...I have been told up until this point that 'it's complicated' and 'we'll see what we can do' but there hasn't been any movement...I also want to be closer to home and have regular hours (I have one child left at home, age 11, as well as a 90 yr old MIL with dementia; we have to hire help to care for and transport both; 11-yr old is involved in soooo many extracurricular activities). I am also excited about the idea of 1:1 mentoring of new doc, one who is looking for a 'protoge' so to speak; one who has established and witnessed leadership skills, one who sees to have a decent work/life balance and fosters the same.

But the pay really sucks.

I spoke to my old doc about future, about what his vision is for me, for the service. His response is that I can do whatever I want, and I sense that he really would...as long as I figured out how, because he's not really available to provide guidance or mentoring.

So I posed the question: Please give me a picture of which job is best for me professionally, financially, and for my family: 26.1 > 18

I really can't figure out which job this is referring to...so it probably wasn't the best question. Is it telling me that I can't improve my current situation so I should leave, or that I should stay and work on getting the most of my current situation?

A follow-up question to help clarify: Please give me a picture of how 'Job B' (new job) is for me overall: professionally, financially, and for my family: 36.4 > 55. Is this telling me that even though pay sucks now, that it won't always? that I will ultimately benefit much more?

I'm at a total loss as far as direction here...and I don't think I've ever been so torn. I work well with old doc, although many do not. He is world-reknowned, but if I continue, I will still have to commute, I'll probably get paid even more, and I will carve my own path, and I will have to be ok with that.

I would appreciate any thoughts/advice anyone has to offer...it's not smacking me in the face and I feel like it should be.
 

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Hi firehorse,

"Please give me a picture of which job is best for me professionally, financially, and for my family?"
26.1 to 18 ~ If mishandled, you are at-risk of poisoning the well of goodwill between the doctors.

Make a prompt, clear decision that respects all parties.

"Please give me a picture of how 'Job B' (new job) is for me overall: professionally, financially, and for my family?"
36.4 to 55 ~ Not as good as staying where you are at, and making the most of it: the forecast is that you will profit from difficulties.

If it weren't for the commute, the lack of a guided professional learning path, and your son's impending entry into high school...it sounds like you would be happy to stay where you are at?

Realistically, your current doc can't do much about the commute, or providing one-to-one mentoring, or your son's impending entry into high school...but, but, but ~ his heart is in the right place, and he wants to do what he can?

Can you envision the possibility of turning the commute into a daily meditation, designing your own development path, and staying healthily connected to your son for the next seven years, or so?

I hope this helps!
 

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Please give me a picture of which job is best for me professionally, financially, and for my family: 26.1 > 18

26: Reflect on all the things that are happening now and similar occurances that have happened in the past and use this as the basis for your decision about the job situation
line 1 - look to make as clear a decision as you can, one that you feel comfortable with then commit to your decision (this is perhaps something that you have not found easy in the past)
18: The new attitude and outlook will bring about new opportunities

"Please give me a picture of how 'Job B' (new job) is for me overall: professionally, financially, and for my family?"
36.4 to 55

36: You need to consider carefully how you can get the best out of this new job - it may not initially be as good a fit for you as you think.
line 4 - Consider the way the job is expected to be carried out and the way the people there act. These may not align with your core beliefs. Be clear of all the potential pros and cons.
55: Draw clear boundaries and understand what it may mean for you if you accept this job. How you approach your reflections around all aspects of the job could give you a wider appreciation that will hold you in good stead for making the right decision now and in the future.

Good luck
 

firehorse

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Thank you both for your replies!
@Radiofreewill: After reading several different sources, I came to a similar conclusion regarding 36.4 to 55. I am concerned about my finances, and not being able to cover my expenses (or at least being strapped for extra, a situation I don't want to be in). That meditation thing during my commute...haha I will work on that. I find myself getting angry during commute time because of stupid and unsafe actions of others. I really do have to learn to go with the flow more, because the anger serves no purpose except to get me upset and tense.

@my_key: thank you as well! Committing to the decision...definitely a difficulty I have had with this decision; I have gone back and forth daily.

I think what I will gain in mentoring I may lose in autonomy with new job and vice-versa with current job. I did ask another follow up prior to seeing your responses: Please give me a picture of my professional opportunities, finances, and family life if I should stay in my current job: 19.6 > 41. This one is pretty clear to me, at least I think it is...stay where I am.
 
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Please give me a picture of which job is best for me professionally, financially, and for my family
26.1 > 18

Stay in the job where you are now.
Put the breaks on, correct what you already have.

Please give me a picture of how 'Job B' (new job) is for me overall: professionally, financially, and for my family
36.4 > 55

You will soon find out that it's a hopeless place.

Please give me a picture of my professional opportunities, finances, and family life if I should stay in my current job
19.6 > 41

That doesn't sound brilliant either... there will probably be no mentoring (it's the end of 19 / approaching) and you'll have to make-do with what you've got.

Surely these two can't be your only options? Have you tried looking for any other opportunities? If your current doc can't find time to mentor you, at least perhaps he could give you a star recommendation for when you look for something new?
 

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Hi Diamonda,

Thanks for your reply! Everything I have read about 19.6 seems to have a much more positive spin...what is your experience?

As far as other opportunities, I am finding very few in this specialty, which I am hesitant to leave. Even fewer are qualified candidates to fill positions, as evidenced by the vacant position along side me for last 6 months. There is someone starting soon, but part time only. I've been waiting for her to be credentialed since July. I think she's the right person for the job, so the position was split into two part time positions. No luck so far finding another....
 

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Please give me a picture of my professional opportunities, finances, and family life if I should stay in my current job: 19.6 > 41.

A picture of your life staying in your current job is that it could go through a few downturns but longterm there will be much you find positive. Particularly if you can bring a sense of purpose into your world. A change of goals or clearer focus will assist you in painting the right picture.

Good Luck

 

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