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Since i'm going to be 30 soon, it seems i've been seriously wondering what path my life is on. So, after thinking about my question I went and asked the Yi " What might become if I follow the path I appear to be on? " I received as an answer Hexagram 45 with lines 1, 4 and 6 changing into Hexagram 42. I'm unsure if my interpretation is correct. Hexagram 45 speaks of coming together, as in a group forming or something similar. As for hexagram 42 it speaks of increase, of something growing but only temporarily. Does it mean I'll join a group of like minded people or that a group might form around me? At the moment I don't think I understand the yi's answer. I would appreciate other people opinions and advice. Thank You.
 

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I think there is a religious bias in 45, so the answer seems appropriate.
I.e. it seems to answer "join that (religious) group".
Which path are you talking about ?
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Since i'm going to be 30 soon, it seems i've been seriously wondering what path my life is on...

Lets see if we can identify your hexagram totem, in general..:

(1) in general, are you focused more on facts or values?

(2) in general, do you focus on what was/is/will-be OR on what could-have-been/ins-not/could-be ?

(3) in general, are you reactive (responding to stimulus) or proactive (instigating things)?

Chris.
 

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Lets see if we can identify your hexagram totem, in general..:

(1) in general, are you focused more on facts or values?

(2) in general, do you focus on what was/is/will-be OR on what could-have-been/ins-not/could-be ?

(3) in general, are you reactive (responding to stimulus) or proactive (instigating things)?

Chris.

I can never answer questions like these. I would have to say 'don't know' or 'it depends' to all of them. Do you think anyway people can be that accurate in self assessment ?
 
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I can never answer questions like these. I would have to say 'don't know' or 'it depends' to all of them. Do you think anyway people can be that accurate in self assessment ?

the emphasis is on 'in general' and so the context is approximate, vague, rough feeling etc.

If you want to cover the middle and be more specific then use the Emotional I Ching where there are four possible replies to each question ;-) IN THAT context the 'situation' is YOU:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/icplusEProact.html

The point here is that we are dealing with metaphors such that the I Ching metaphor is interchangable with any metaphor derived to categorise personas where that derivation is through self-referencing.

The persona identified is the PARTICULAR aspect of our nature, not the SINGULAR aspect. GIven the particular we can flesh out the persona through XORing to give us 64 aspects of our particular nature that can SEED oursingular nature as IT works paths.

Chris.
 

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Pargenton: I'd agree about the religious bias thing. I do have serious religious/philosophical questions at the moment.

Lightofreason: To answer your questions : (1) I'm more inclined to be focused on values.
(2) I do have more of a tendency to look at what might have been, could be etc. (3) I tend aldo te more reactive than proactive.

My question was general because I'm having this strange notion that i'm on a path of some kind. I know this sounds totally vague, but it's just something I noticied about my life. Although I tend to be cautious about notions like " destiny " and all, it just seems like things are happening in my life that are leading me to a specific destination.
 
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My question was general because I'm having this strange notion that i'm on a path of some kind. I know this sounds totally vague, but it's just something I noticied about my life. Although I tend to be cautious about notions like " destiny " and all, it just seems like things are happening in my life that are leading me to a specific destination.

It's called "Your path", and everything you gather to you becomes part of that path, part of you. It's an ongoing discernment process, by which you are increased.
 

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FWIW I notice each time I've asked similar questions i come up with 45 and various lines and I'm wondering if this is Yis answer to this kind of question - in other words its not such an individual answer more a general one ? The Yi is answering about all our paths and the way they are - something about the path of all of us.

When humans ask about their path the Yi sends 45 - okay now I'm generalising wildly from my answers and these here but I have a hunch :cool: and I swear I've seen 45 come up often here for these kinds of questions. Hmm I don't know - maybe its not so easy to get off our path, maybe it only looks like an individual effort..

Maybe, maybe I lost the plot but I know what I mean :D
 
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FWIW I notice each time I've asked similar questions i come up with 45 and various lines and I'm wondering if this is Yis answer to this kind of question - in other words its not such an individual answer more a general one ? The Yi is answering about all our paths and the way they are - something about the path of all of us.

When humans ask about their path the Yi sends 45 - okay now I'm generalising wildly from my answers and these here but I have a hunch :cool: Hmm I don't know - maybe its not so easy to get off our path, maybe it only looks like an individual effort..

Maybe, maybe I lost the plot but I know what I mean :D

lol, so do I. You said it clearly.

The nature of gathering is just that. The market is full of prepackaged paths, and that's what most are content with. And good for them! But given the seeking nature of the question, 45 tells it like it is. No bias or prejudice toward this or that. In fact Yi is explicit in pointing out that along with the water comes the silt (lake over earth). That's why the process must be continually revamping and renewing, or else it stagnates and becomes inert, like stone. Religious idols and institutions are carved from stone, but unless water continuously flows through them, they have no life. Or maybe they have some life, but it no longer gathers anything transforming. A living path requires a state of readiness. The unknown and unseen must be prepared for. This, I believe, is the idea of religion or spirit nature, making sacrifices, seeing the 'great man' and such, implied in 45.
 
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lol, so do I. You said it clearly.
The nature of gathering is just that. The market is full of prepackaged paths, and that's what most are content with. And good for them! But given the seeking nature of the question, 45 tells it like it is. No bias or prejudice toward this or that. In fact Yi is explicit in pointing out that along with the water comes the silt (lake over earth). That's why the process must be continually revamping and renewing, or else it stagnates and becomes inert, like stone. Religious idols and institutions are carved from stone, but unless water continuously flows through them, they have no life. Or maybe they have some life, but it no longer gathers anything transforming. A living path requires a state of readiness. The unknown and unseen must be prepared for. This, I believe, is the idea of religion or spirit nature, making sacrifices, seeing the 'great man' and such, implied in 45.


Nice. Yes, I've got this time and time again. It does seem to address a form of integration within oneself and seldom refers to an actual physical "gathering together" although it certainly can but not in my experience as yet. A stagnating set of conflicting paths within ourselves must be disentangled and eventually fused in order to find that single line that best suits our individual nature.

Gotta keep re-inventing ourselves to a degree to keep that creative spirit. That also depends on cycles and timing. For me, 49 Revolution is closely linked to 45 and I got them in tandem at the beginning of this year. 45 is part of the process by which a revolution can become successful. After all, we can't truly cooperate and give what is needed to a physical representation of a group, be it family friends and colleagues if we can't first integrate those needed elements within. 45 has a feeling of time and cycles of change, the results of which don't arrive over night. Unfortunately. ;)

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Lightofreason: To answer your questions : (1) I'm more inclined to be focused on values.
(2) I do have more of a tendency to look at what might have been, could be etc. (3) I tend aldo te more reactive than proactive.
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Your answers indicate a general association with earth, the receptive. To extend into a hexagram there are eight covering the realm of earth:

02,23 08,20 16,35 45,12

read through each of these to feel which is the 'best fit' for you; which one causes the most resonance (click on the hexagram image to get a second page of details):

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x000000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x100000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x010000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x110000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x001000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x101000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x011000.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x111000.html

The core categorisation of earth (shared with mountain) is in identity seeking - one gets one's identity from one's context rathet than from 'within'. This makes one context-sensitive but also lacking a core sense of context-insensitive self and so the identity seeking.... this covers sensing on being on a path but unable to clearly define it since it is derived from the context pushing your buttons - in other words it is not a path of YOUR making but it is one one is prepared to follow unconditionally.

The generic traits of the earth trigram are summarised in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/t8.html

There is a correlation of the earth trigram with the MBTI temperament of NF (intuitive feeler) - for a summary of the aspects of the type see the NF entry (XNFP) in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/type.html

Generic coverage (earth,mountain):

choleric. to serve god. idealist. values driven. humanitarian. sees money as a way to help. 36% of teachers.

The earth nature brings out a disciple/advocate nature with a focus on spiritual integration (that seeking of identity acts to 'pull in' an identity) - the mountain type focus is more on spiritual evolution.

More specific earth types - seeker, healer, questor, journalist, revealer, enthusist.

By understanding the aspects of one's particular nature (and so one's species nature) one can get a rough idea of the 'best fit' context to place oneself in and so interact smoothly with that context. THEN comes the dynamics of one's singular nature in making unique contributions to that context.

As a species-member you are a specialist within the collective - you and the millions of other 'likeminded'. These groups contribute to the species. WITHIN each group are individuals with unique consciousness and so offering 'variations on a theme' in the development/maintenance of the collective and that covers innovative ideas etc where such come from individuals due to their unique perspectives (group creativity is more adaptive).

Chris.
 
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Since i'm going to be 30 soon, it seems i've been seriously wondering what path my life is on. So, after thinking about my question I went and asked the Yi " What might become if I follow the path I appear to be on? " I received as an answer Hexagram 45 with lines 1, 4 and 6 changing into Hexagram 42. I'm unsure if my interpretation is correct. Hexagram 45 speaks of coming together, as in a group forming or something similar. As for hexagram 42 it speaks of increase, of something growing but only temporarily. Does it mean I'll join a group of like minded people or that a group might form around me? At the moment I don't think I understand the yi's answer. I would appreciate other people opinions and advice. Thank You.

Got your qoute here so I can focus :eek: What I was getting at I think in my previous post, elucidated by Bruce and Topal, is that this idea of 'life paths' needs looking at and I'm not sure the Yi is going with the idea, rather pointing us somewhere else.

I think we get very earnest and worried about following our rightful path but I feel our path and our self is indivisable,one is the other. This worry(about right path) which alot of current thinking engenders is false IMO. I see your reading as not necessarily pointing to you joining some group but reassuring you that you're okay - if you continue on the path which is you, you'll be where you need to be. Of course I guess thats alot more vague than what you wanted, for all I know yes it could be very specific advice about being in a group - but I think you got a general answer as you asked quite a broad question. ( I noticed you are 30, the age of the Saturn return eh, this is the age apparently when people really start taking stock of their lives.)

Like Bruce said we're beginning to view 'life paths' a bit like commodities - we worry what if we pick the wrong one :eek: but it isn't like that with lives - I think your answer points you back to your entirety - the gathering together of your life/self - I think its a reassuring answer :)
 

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" What might become if I follow the path I appear to be on? " I received as an answer Hexagram 45 with lines 1, 4 and 6 changing into Hexagram 42."

"it seems i've been seriously wondering what path my life is on."

Well, Hex 45.1,4,6 suggests that you need a helping hand to lead you out of confusion, it then suggests that you work with a group of people to promote the general peace and unity of that group, sounds like a political or a religious group. Finally is suggests that you form a partnership, in your case, if you are not married already, then I believe it is telling you to go for it.

Hex 42 is about increase, like in reaching out and being of benefit to others; teaching? It also suggests that your life will blossom out into new possibilities, business, travel, family life. Increase to yourself and to others without any selfish/greedy motives.
 

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I went and asked the Yi " What might become if I follow the path I appear to be on? " I received as an answer Hexagram 45 with lines 1, 4 and 6 changing into Hexagram 42.

I think it refers to what's happening here right now. It means you'll ask the group here what your toss means and we'll come together to discuss it, and you'll be increased thereby. :)
 

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