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I asked a question about a working situation which I thought was very straightforward and then today took an unexpected twist. I asked 'what is happening here' and got

12 2.4 59

This got me thinking about changing lines and how to interpret them (again :confused:).

Are they chronological? (ie line 2 is something that happens before line 4)
Are they saying - 'you could/should do this' or 'these things might/will happen'

This is a general question, I'm only using this reading as an example because it seemed to me to be capable of various interpretations.

BTW, recently I had to attend a hearing in a court=room like setting, with which I am not at all familiar. I asked: What can I expect here? Got 55 changing to 34

There was fulsome, fulsome debate, with a lot of money at stake (not for me!), a lot of manipulation of facts, many lies - and I ended up having to speak (hadn't expected to) which meant keeping my self firmly under control. I'd say that the I Ching was spot on.
 

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Moving line interpretation

I asked a question about a working situation which I thought was very straightforward and then today took an unexpected twist. I asked 'what is happening here' and got

12 2.4 59

This got me thinking about changing lines and how to interpret them (again :confused:).

Are they chronological? (ie line 2 is something that happens before line 4)
Are they saying - 'you could/should do this' or 'these things might/will happen'

This is a general question, I'm only using this reading as an example because it seemed to me to be capable of various interpretations.
Hi Ann,
There are many, many ways to interpret an oracle. Some folks insist upon their favorite avenue (their tao as it were) others fit various perspectives to particular oracles.

In general the lines form a sequence and a set of prime points (toes to head) so they can either be chronological or pointing out various points of interest. Also, they are moving lines, so the process of the oracle hexagram is already changing by either expressing and exhausting its focus (moving yang) or developing a focus that is bringing that stage out of the background.

How long does an oracle last? That depends upon the momentum--are new forces changing everything or is it this one process going on and on.

Specifically, 12.2.4>>59 I call No Exit >> Solution with the basic structure developing clear focus (moving Yin in 2nd place) and the image within (or feelings) expressing and exhausting themselves which leaves an openness instead (moving Yang in 4th).

In general I am most comfortable with a Yi oracle being an objective statement of the process as you see and feel it now with the question of could/should you or will it /might /or surely happen being out of bounds.

When I asked the oracle why an outing I asked about a week earlier hadn't even happened, I got an oracle saying basically, "Things change."

Frank
 

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Hi Ann,

I like Frank's point of view. In addition, I like this article:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/gua/hexagrams/organisations.php

Line 2: Skilled workers, productive staff, the programmers, the machine operators, the workforce proper. The engine-room of the organisation.

Line 4: Middle management. The people who report to top-level management but who don't have the real power in the organisation. They often have the difficult role of mediating between workers and management.

From this point of view:

12.2 The skilled technical staff are putting up with inadequate management. If someone would come in and end the confusing situation, that would be a relief to the staff. Currently there is not such an opportunity. Put up with the mess for now, and eventually you will have the opportunity to apply more realistic principles on the job.

12.4 Someone in middle management is pretty close to ready to take action and break through the stagnant situation. If this person is acting from their own personality or whims, their attempted revolution will be futile. But if this person is sincerely trying to do the right thing, and they have the authority to make a change, people will rally around once the change begins.

59 The problems will blow over. With a gentle approach, the foamy nonsense will fade away in the breeze.

Does this apply?
 

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Whew!
The situation is very much as you both describe. It's to do with payment for work, and one and there are indeed two managers involved. One had agreed the pay, the other, more junior one wants money off. It's a little more complicated than that but not much. The senior person is the one breaking through the stagnant situation and is absolutely doing the right thing. The more junior (although very senior in the organisation) person is probably more of the old school. I just hope that this will blow over.

thank you for your help
 

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Whew!
The situation is very much as you both describe. It's to do with payment for work, and one and there are indeed two managers involved. One had agreed the pay, the other, more junior one wants money off. It's a little more complicated than that but not much. The senior person is the one breaking through the stagnant situation and is absolutely doing the right thing. The more junior (although very senior in the organisation) person is probably more of the old school. I just hope that this will blow over.

thank you for your help
 

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