Little Bit of Astrology: Planets in 7th & 10th House

[marybluesky]

I'm interested in astrology and have read and listened about planets, houses, transits and synastry.

I'm curious about the effect of having multiple planets in a given house. For instance I have stelliums in the 7th (Sun, Mars, Mercury) and 10th (Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in Capricorn) and my Uranus conjuncts my Midheaven which is placed in last degrees of Sagittarius - what a mess, no? The stellium in 10th makes me an indigo child although I haven't had some of its characteristics such as difficulties in studies and being a trouble maker.

If you're willing to add some information I'll appreciate it.

 

[rosada]

Multiple planets including the Sun in the seventh house puts attention on negotiations and creating balance in partnerships.
Sun square Saturn - When attempting beginnings you find yourself hemmed in by obstacles all around you so you can’t forge ahead as directly as you would like.
Sun square Neptune - Yet you would still like to come into harmony with your environment.
Saturn in Capricorn - So instead of feeling trapped here, you manage to put down roots and make yourself at home
Uranus in Sagittarius - and reach out, making connections that can help you
Neptune in Capricorn - by expanding your awareness beyond obstacles.

 

[Everea]

Capricorn stellium in the 4th here (Saturn Uranus Neptune moon Venus) yikes. The more undiversified birth charts are very interesting. Sometimes it feels to me like some harder lessons to learn, when the energy is compacted in this way.

I recently started looking into my Pluto square the north node - which it's said points to a lesson skipped in a previous life. I guess that's why I'm thinking of it this way at the moment, because it feels like my Capricorn way of doing things has been challenged as of late, and I'm being asked to cultivate new approaches.

love embodied astrology (Renee sills) and scorched earth tarot also incorporates a good bit of astrology into her readings from time to time.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks people

Sun square Saturn - At every beginning you are hemmed in by obstacles all around you...

Rosada is it still considered a square if the two planets are more than 10 degrees apart from the right angle? For instance my Sun is in 17 and the planets in 10th house are in first degrees of Capricorn. In astrological reports I have the square is not mentioned.

Capricorn stellium in the 4th here (Saturn Uranus Neptune moon Venus) yikes

You are counting from the Sun placement, me from rising (Pisces). Albeit I don't have moon and Venus there. Just the first three planets.

 

[rosada]

Yeah, Sun at 17 degrees and Saturn at the first degrees is pretty wide to be considered a square, although Saturn at the first degrees of a cardinal sign is by itself enough to indicate a feeling of being hemmed in at beginnings.
To tell you the truth I got my interpretation of these placements by asking the I Ching “What is the effect of having multiple planets in a given house?” I got 3.1 - 8, Difficulty at the Beginning - Seeking Union and found that Hilary’s comment on the line seemed to fit your specific planets.

 

[my_key]

I'm not a great astrology buff, but I found this link on Bradford's page a few years ago now and it makes for an interesting read. He links hexagrams to some of the planets and to the houses.

The Symbols of Western Astrology - A Primer

 

[marybluesky]

Rosada I asked the question out of curiosity because some people on the net consider any placement of two or more planets in one sign as a conjunction. Thanks.

My key I once read Bradford's association of zodiac signs to some hexagrams. Thanks for the link

 

[Trojina]

because some people on the net consider any placement of two or more planets in one sign as a conjunction.

Well they are wrong, simply being in the same sign does not make planets conjunct. Planets are seen as conjunct within about 8 or 9 degrees of each other with 9 degrees being very weak and 1 -5 being much stronger. Some people might go even wider than 9 degrees to call it a conjunction, people vary in their opinions of how wide a conjunction can be but to say planets are conjunct just because they are in the same sign isn't true.

The stellium in 10th makes me an indigo child

how does it make you an indigo child? Have a hazy idea of what one of them is off to Google.

Yes, as I thought, they allegedly are super spiritual etc (whatever that means) but there is nothing in any astrological chart that can be translated to 'this is an indigo child'. Indigo children can be born with any horoscope, any chart, as they can be born at any time, obviously so no reason to believe that several planets in the 10th make you an Indigo child.

Also bear in mind which house your planet are in depends heavily on which house system you use and there are many to choose from. Some are used a great deal like 'placidus' but there are others, better ones, that often than configure differently. So in some house systems you might for example have a 7th house sun but in another have an 8th house sun. The sun is still at the exact same degree of the sign but when a different house system is used the house size can change and shift although the axis of Asc/Desc and IC/MC remain the same. It won't always be different with a different house system but it can be.

 

[Trojina]

There is a member here btw who teaches astrology, is a writer on it, has made many in depth Youtube videos on many aspects of the chart

Ari Moshe Wolfe – Heart and Soul Centered Astrology

arimoshe.com

If you scroll down you can see his youtube.

 

[Trojina]

I'm curious about the effect of having multiple planets in a given house. For instance I have stelliums in the 7th (Sun, Mars, Mercury) and 10th (Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in Capricorn) and my Uranus conjuncts my Midheaven which is placed in last degrees of Sagittarius - what a mess, no? The stellium in 10th makes me an indigo child although I haven't had some of its characteristics such as difficulties in studies and being a trouble maker.

If you have multiple planets in a certain house then that area of life is very important in your life, it's where the action is and the aspects they form will show more. But, as I have found, with these popular house systems a person can think they have a 6th house sun all their life which never fits at all only to find if they use a different house system they have a 7th house sun which makes sense. The equal house system is next to useless IMO, that's where you just count the houses at 30 degree intervals around the chart. I once saw an old astrologer who did things her own way and used the house system that Jung used she said. I found out my sun was in another house than I thought and it made a lot more sense. I have an idea which system Jung used was but I'm not entirely sure. On Astrodienst site you can put in your birth detail and you then have the option to see your chart in all the various house systems.

I'm assuming you know what the house system is. it's just the system, the way the chart is divided up into houses, the way it's calculated.

 

[Liselle]

Also, do you know about this software, Astrolog?

Astrolog Website

It has an interface that's more DOS than Windows, and there's a learning curve, but it's free, runs locally on your computer, and is still updated occasionally. I like it a lot, it's what I've used for years. It does an awful lot imo, though I have too many holes in what I know to even be a proper amateur.

 

[Liselle]

Trojina, is Placidus the one that doesn't work well when you get too far into the northern latitudes? Do you have another one you like that you'd recommend, or is it best just to try a few?

 

[marybluesky]

obviously so no reason to believe that several planets in the 10th make you an Indigo child.

I heard it in an astrology podcast and it's not about having planets in the 10th but having three slow-moving ones - Saturn, Uranus and Neptune- in conjunction with each other. I had no idea about the notion before.

 

[Trojina]

Trojina, is Placidus the one that doesn't work well when you get too far into the northern latitudes? Do you have another one you like that you'd recommend, or is it best just to try a few?

I don't know. I was mistaken in saying all house systems start with Ascendant as house 1, the Equal house system doesn't and the one I think my astrologer may have used the Meridian system doesn't either being also an equal house system. I'm not sure she did use that system it's just when I apply it to my chart on the Astrodienst website it tallies with the house placements she used. If you join Astrodienst and put in your details you can check to see what any system does to your houses. It's only Meridian as far as I can see which gives me correct house placements but I guess it's all open to interpretation. Perhaps the other systems were right and that is wrong, I don't know. In favour of Placidus it does make sense to me to make the Ascendant the beginning of the first house, I really can't see it makes sense to plonk the Ascendant in the middle of another house.

Overview house systems

What house systems are available?

www.astro.com

I heard it in an astrology podcast and it's not about having planets in the 10th but having three slow-moving ones - Saturn, Uranus and Neptune- in conjunction with each other.

Ah so she was talking about a generation, all the people born around the same time would have had this conjunction somewhere in their charts.

 

[Liselle]

I really can't see it makes sense to plonk the Ascendant in the middle of another house.

Agreed. I didn't even know there were systems that put it elsewhere. Seems to me it'd ruin the entire concept of an ascendant. But house systems are one of the many things I know nothing about.

 

[CircleRiver]

The Astrology Podcast has a great episode on stelliums: https://theastrologypodcast.com/2021/07/21/stelliums-in-astrology/

I've heard "co-present" to describe planets in the same sign but not close by degree. Sharing the same planetary ruler and often the same house can give a certain set of shared qualities, but not the same as them being conjunct by degree, where the energies more directly intermingle. I think this has come back into vogue following the reconstruction of ancient Greek astrology, where aspects were often done directly by sign, rather than by degree (with degrees then taken into account later for more specific techniques, and for timing and prediction).

Because Astrolog was mentioned (which is a good piece of software!) I'm going to drop Planetdance http://jcremers.com/?id=Planetdance - which I would really recommend, its free and has (almost) all the features that paid-for software like Solar Fire has (including asteroids, and obscure techniques like zodiacal releasing).

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks for the link

 

[Liselle]

Ditto!

 

[ontheroad]

Super interesting dude on Astrology KRS channel on youtube

 

[Eileen-31]

Well they are wrong, simply being in the same sign does not make planets conjunct. Planets are seen as conjunct within about 8 or 9 degrees of each other with 9 degrees being very weak and 1 -5 being much stronger. Some people might go even wider than 9 degrees to call it a conjunction, people vary in their opinions of how wide a conjunction can be but to say planets are conjunct just because they are in the same sign isn't true.

Many using Whole Sign astrology do, indeed, consider all planets in one sign to be conjunct.