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i chaching

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I have another lost item!!

Where are my book notes from 4HWW located?
hexagram 18.5>57

Did the wind blow it away and now somehow they are decayed?
Is it inside or behind something?
Am I being told to just re-read the section I want to look at again?

I looked in likely places: drawers, notebooks, loose papers, file cabinets, basement.
I'm out of ideas.

For those who enjoy I Ching sleuthounding!!

Thanks!!
 

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Under or behind sofa or bed. Also, check the broom closet and other places for cleaning materials.
 

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Thanks for replying. I couldn't find them, so I am reading the chapter over again. It's just as well, haha.
 

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Thanks for replying. I couldn't find them, so I am reading the chapter over again. It's just as well, haha.
If you do eventually find them, please update this thread and let us know where they were.
 

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Check the waste bins and trash, garbage, rubbish ...
 

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Check the waste bins and trash, garbage, rubbish ...
I think it's more likely that the notes got accidentally thrown out in the trash months ago.
That's probably what you're picking up on.
 

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I'm just adding to this old thread, as i'd lost my glasses and asked yi where they were.

18.2.3.5 > 20

Hmm. No clue, but 10 minutes later accidentally found them in my bedroom underneath my discarded pyjamas - I'd obviously thrown the whole lot into a heap when I was dressing. How this relates to the Hexagram I'm not clear but if anyone has any insights...! I'm curious as to how I should have interpreted this!
 

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Thanks for posting!

Um...18.2 might be recognizable as "underneath my discarded pyjamas - I'd obviously thrown the whole lot into a heap"? Maybe Yi's scolding you a little bit for being sloppy? (Sorry...) Or, more kindly, just stating a plain fact.

18.2 - "Ancestral mother’s corruption, Does not allow constancy."

"Corruption" of archetypically "mother" qualities? A good mother would never throw clothes into a heap. (I know this from my own good mother, who, I must admit, would be upset with her sloppy daughter :eek:). "Does not allow constancy" - does not allow you to find your glasses when you need them, resulting in worry and wasted time?

It makes sense that the lowest line in a multiple-moving-line reading would describe the "history" of the problem, the underlying cause, going back in time a little bit. (Edited: that's not true of every reading with multiple lines, of course, but it is sometimes.)

Hexagram 20 in a "where is it" reading - maybe it's saying, "look around"? (Very funny, Yi.)

Could you describe how you did eventually find them? Maybe the other lines are a description of what happened, what you did, something like that.
 

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Thanks Liselle! I went into my bedroom looking for my glasses, saw the cat on the bed, stroked the cat, saw my pyjamas on the bed, thought 'ooh i'll tidy my pyjamas away', picked them up and lo, there were the glasses! (In my defence they weren't really in a heap - they were just on the bed...)
 

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maybe contemplation indicates a quiet space (like a bedroom) while the 18 refers to something that needs cleaning or tidying (pick up pyjamas, put them in the wash)?
 

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I think that does help, thank you, but I don't understand 18's lines very well so I'm probably off on the explanations.

Line 2: 'Ancestral mother’s corruption, Does not allow constancy.'
Line 3: 'Ancestral father’s corruption. There is small regret, No great mistake.'
Line 5: 'Ancestral father’s corruption. Use praise.'

18.2 might be what I already said. Tidying pajamas/beds etc. is typically "mother" stuff.

18.3 - the "small regret, No great mistake" part seems clear, I think - it's not a huge mistake to put your pajamas on the bed, even if you decided (independently of the missing glasses) that you'd like them to be tidier. "Small regret" - your glasses were missing only for 10 minutes? "Ancestral father's corruption" - not sure. Maybe, "no need to rush to fix this"? (Fathers/men are archetypically the "must fix now!" ones?) You found them without a big search expedition. So...if "father" is "must find now!!," then father's corruption would be not doing that - then the line might say, "If you don't run around hurrying to fix this, there will be [only] small regret and no great mistake" (because you'll find them shortly, without effort)?

Seems like it could mean a couple different things - (a) no big mistake that your pajamas were on the bed, (b) no big mistake if you don't set out vigorously to search...I guess Yi could be saying more than one thing?

18.2 and 18.3 might also be a comparison, two alternative approaches, the "mother" way and the "father" way. How could we think of 18.2 like that... let's see, men/women, possibly fathers/mothers, are also represented by hexagrams 1 and 2. Hexagram 1 is active, hexagram 2 is passive/receptive. You actually found your glasses in a very receptive way. So..."mother's corruption" - corruption of the passive approach, would "not allow constancy"... um...maybe if you'd spent time energetically searching, your cat might have moved off the bed, which - might have made it harder to find your glasses? You might have ruined the chain of events that led (passively) to success?

18.5 - as literal advice, petting your cat is "praising" him/her, and it led directly to finding your glasses. I wouldn't have thought of that. Maybe it might have been recognized in the moment - "oh wait, I'm petting my cat, that's 'praise' like the line said"? I wonder if mostly it might serve as a good example of 18.5, in hindsight, helping us understand it better. "One thing Yi's meant with 'praise' is petting my cat" - it helps fill in a picture of what "praise" can mean in readings.

That might be true for the rest of the reading, too - that it will pay for us to think about this as an example.

Yes, I can see 20 as a quiet place :) It's literally an observation tower, I think, which would be quiet. I think I've also seen it as advice to observe, to be observant, and in this case you observed your pajamas, which led to the glasses.
 
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That's really interesting about the observation tower. I hadn't picked up on that in Wilhelm. I'm just reading the description of the hexagram in Alfred Huang's book, where he calls hexagram 18 'Remedying'. He also calls 20 'Watching' and says 'the ideograph shows a bird and a human watching attentively with their eyes open' (which could also be a description of glasses...)

Randomly, when the reading came up (I use an app for my casts) I looked at the screen and thought I saw an image of the eternity loop symbol that also looks like glasses, but when I did a double take I couldn't see where or how I'd imagined that.

To give additional context, I couldn't remember where or when I'd last had my glasses, so was wondering whether I'd left them in the car. Now, I live on a boat so the car is normally up in the car park which is 100 yards or so, so I was debating whether to go up there to look. However, then I remembered that I'd left the car at my mum's house. Then I wondered whether I'd left the glasses at her house on the previous day (I didn't think so but couldn't remember).

Finding them on the bed showed that I'd had them recently, that they weren't far away, and were in fact hidden by something else, and weren't in my mother's house or in the car. Whether this can be read into the 2nd line I'm not sure!

However, without focusing so closely on the lines maybe one could read the movement of 18>20 as saying - 'no great problem - in the course of tidying you will find them'...
 

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However, then I remembered that I'd left the car at my mum's house. Then I wondered whether I'd left the glasses at her house on the previous day (I didn't think so but couldn't remember).

Finding them on the bed showed that I'd had them recently, that they weren't far away, and were in fact hidden by something else, and weren't in my mother's house or in the car. Whether this can be read into the 2nd line I'm not sure!
Yes, "mother" references in a reading involving your mother - seems like it'd be relevant. How to know (at the time) whether it meant "at mother's house" or "NOT at mother's house" is a good question. I don't know.

"Observation tower" might come from how the hexagram looks - 2 yang lines on top of 4 yin lines - a platform or enclosure on top of tall supports? (Huh...an exaggerated bed-shape?)
 

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Update: Apech7 was right. It's 4.5 years later and I never found the notes. They must have gotten thrown away.
 

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Hi I chaching,

Wondering what feelings/realities may be involved in losing these notes and why do you need to locate them in the first place? Possible trajectories for both finding and/or accepting the unrecoverable.
 

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Oops!! After my post, I just now saw the post that you never found them- working from a phone has issues!! still I think there could have been something in my thought?
 

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Actually, they were just some work notes that I wanted to find so I wouldn't have to re-read the chapters. Oh well!
 

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