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I've had only one other post on these forums, so thanks for your help in advance as I'm still learning. I spent a lot of time with my previous reading, and got some great help from some very gracious members!

The reading was in relation to my former partner who I considered breaking off communication with (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=11707&highlight=blu7)

Despite my second reading, which I also listed on that thread, I was still unsure about whether further communication would ever be possible, and so decided to stop communication as it seemed that I was too hurt to respond well to my partner.

I asked the Yi what would ultimately come of our relationship now that I had decided to stop our communication?

I got 58.1 to 47

It's incredibly confusing, as on the one hand with 58.1 there is a fullness of joy and in being aligned to your own inner will, to continue communicating with others and that everything will be okay.

On the other there is 47, offering a sense of exhaustion and depression, and that whatever I have to say has no effect on others - that in fact, I'm headed for a lot of loneliness and that I need to prepare for that (I read 47.1 for further understanding and it confused me even more...) :confused:

I think I'm not understanding the change in the first line very well and was wondering if anyone could help with this seeming competition in the two hexagrams? This is one of the more confusing changes I've read so far...

Thank you!
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Also...

In case you can't get to the link, I had asked the Yi what would happen if I halted email communications with my partner?

I received hexagram 64.5 to 6 but didn't understand it entirely as they also seemed in competition with one another (as opposed to now, when I am asking what the ultimate result will be for us if I stopped altogether). I didn't get any response to this former reading, so any thoughts there would be great as well... thank you! :bows:
 

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I asked the Yi what would ultimately come of our relationship now that I had decided to stop our communication?

I got 58.1 to 47

It's incredibly confusing, as on the one hand with 58.1 there is a fullness of joy and in being aligned to your own inner will, to continue communicating with others and that everything will be okay.

On the other there is 47, offering a sense of exhaustion and depression, and that whatever I have to say has no effect on others - that in fact, I'm headed for a lot of loneliness and that I need to prepare for that (I read 47.1 for further understanding and it confused me even more...) :confused:

I think I'm not understanding the change in the first line very well and was wondering if anyone could help with this seeming competition in the two hexagrams? This is one of the more confusing changes I've read so far...

Thank you!
Blu

The relating hexagram, here 47 is the context or the background to the question....so no it does not say you are heading for a time of lonleiness it says you feels cut off and dispirited now, or that communication is hard between you now and that whatever is said seems to have no impact. However this heaviness is leavened by 58.1.

I find there is no more talkative, communicative , bubbling over with stuff to express hexagram than 58....so frankly if it were my reading i'd take it that you will not be cutting off communication whatever you think now.

In a sense i take it as a prediction that hasn't answered your question directly...because there isn't really a 'what if...I cut off communication' because infact you simply aren't going to do that. I find if you actually aren't in reality going to do something then Yi bypasses the 'what if' to how it actually is/will be


I don't think you two will be cutting communication...I'm not sure you can ;)



I could be wrong but 58.1 doesn't look much like cutting communication to me


BTW 47.1 is mostly about someone depressing and isolating themselves but all these cares disappear in 58 where one is simply too busy connecting to remember to be depressed


BTW I think most answers make no sense if you take the view that the second hexagram is the future and only the future...or that it is the outcome the lines lead you to. My advice would be to ditch that view of it and see the second hexagram as the context which can include the future, the present and the past. As is oft repeated here (lol) the second hexagram is the sea the primary hexagram swims in. As soon as you see it that way I reckon most answers will make alot more sense
 
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Wow Trojan! :bows: Thank you... this was incredibly enlightening. I never thought of it this way at all... just as an alternate future or resulting future. This makes a lot more sense, as in fact, I do feel very cut off now and have been going through a period of great personal difficulty, loneliness and depression. And yes, communication now seems hopeless, because there is a lot of misunderstanding, but it's difficult to think that we won't ever speak again - just wasn't sure if I was pushing too hard and should just stop altogether to save us both massive misunderstandings!

I'll think about this reading a bit more now, with all this in mind, but again thanks! :)

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I'd take 58.1 here to mean "Enjoy being alone when you're alone, enjoy not being alone when you're not alone." You may be spending too much time in places that you're not really in. Responsive joy has something nearby to respond to.
 

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Thank you for this additional perspective Bradford! I'll think more on how I can use this time of solitude more effectively...

If any of you can help, I had a further question about the readings previous to this one, and how I can read all three as a whole... rather than to continue with more questions and get confused.

I first asked "What steps can I take to begin our relationship anew?" and I got 27.2.4 to 38. I had some good impressions and got a lot of help there from other members :D. I just still don't understand one part of the imagery in changing lines 2 and 4:

Friends or no friends??? :confused: Some interpretations for a change in line 2 say one should not be distracted from the summit by enlisting the help of others, while a change in the 4th says that you should "keep your eyes peeled" for help in order to reach the summit... any help there would be GREAT, especially in light of the SECOND question I asked:

The next day I unexpectedly got an email from my partner - was strange after just having asked the Yi about beginning anew - but email communications have always created lots of misunderstandings - and this was the case again.

So I asked "How would my former partner feel if I stopped writing them emails altogether?" and got 64.5 to 6. I never a response from the members about this so if you see this and can help I'd appreciate it! :bows:

The part of the reading that was most curious to me was its suggestion to find an older mediator to help between me and my partner and bring us together. I asked further about this, but I kept getting the same images - a neutral, older man (person), mediating between us, or that I needed to seek the mediation of an older person, but no clues when I asked how to find or identify that person...

As the miscommunications continued, I asked the question at the top... and I think I understand it now with

Any help would be great!!! :bows:

Blu
 

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hi blu :)


looking back on your readings I think that 27 to 38 could be saying that you should only initiate communication if you feel there is something substantial to say and if you do then be utterly determined to be heard for what you are saying rather than just be your ex-boyfriend's dark mirror. In order to do so though you have to first be honest with yourself about whether you still want in your life someone who has shown to be so emotionally dependent . . I don't mean to sound harsh, but from what you've written in your other thread it sounds like you had to cater for one too many family insecurities there . . are you sure there is room for who you are in this setting?

like Brad said, 58.1 is about discovering the depths of your own joy in every instance . . often I see 58 as a sort of home for our soul and that sometimes needs to be drained to re-discover where our own source lies. If you've noticed, many first lines talk about an essential emptiness, or advise for that, mostly because what we do here is look within rather than outside . . same goes for 58 which I think is way deeper than bubbling joy -in fact I think 58 is more about soulful expression, I've gotten it for just exchanging glances with someone- rather than the intensity or drama that comes with passing moods . .

I think people have refrained from commenting on your 64.5 because your question is a rather uneasy one: you are asking to know another's insides postulating a change that hasn't happened . . slippery slope you got there! But assuming your answer is a straight response to your question, then it seems that your ex-partner will experience non-communication as a breather from walking on the thin ice of your misunderstandings and get a real sense of what is the real issue between you . . whether that leaves you too getting back together or not, it's hard to say

(btw, tifa on the other thread also had a problem with the 'thanks' button and Tom (Pocossin) had mentioned sth about a bug, but she seems to have solved it . . maybe you could ask her about it?)

gotta run . .
take care!:)
 
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HEXAGRAM 58 is about straight talk and speaking your mind
LINE 1 says come forward and speak your mind in a happy and spontaeous way wihtout thinking about the outcome. A simple and natural way to express yourself when you see something that inspires you to say something beautiful.

HEXAGRAM 47

Unfortunately for you what you have to say even though you are sincere and spontaneous and mean it is not believed. Cheers!
 

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Thanks Rodokin, and all :) Much to think on and I will continue to try to understand the other issues I asked about from 64.5 that I have as yet to understand fully...

And thanks for the news on the thanks button!

Blu
 

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