many moving lines

[meng]

Well, I guess I'm not used to how western people react since us Asian people tend to be more serious. And you have to agree respecting each other will be a nicer way to communicate isn't it?

Yup. And welcome. :bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

Well, I guess I'm not used to how western people react since us Asian people tend to be more serious. And you have to agree respecting each other will be a nicer way to communicate isn't it?

Chiahsieh, as you might have noticed, Westerners tend to be more frank and direct in their opinions. Sometimes, even stepping into the terrain of "impoliteness." That should be one of the first lessons to be learned when you come fresh from an Asian set-up. Once that is learned, then you would take things from where they come and accept them as the way people expresses. So, don't take things here too seriously when they come in the form of a criticism as they should not be personal attacks.

Also, remember that many of the people here have spent decades using and studying the Yijing, both from the Western as well as from the Chinese/Asian perspective. Not always a Chinese/Asian perspective or take on the Yijing is better than a Western one, regardless of the origin of the oracle. That's why is good to share information and discuss it, without the pretense, as some do here, that they are always correct.

I like to learn what you've learned from your teachers and I will take the information in the context of where it originates. And respect you for that.

 

[chiahsieh]

Um, sorry to make you feel that I'm rude and arrogant...I am only confident in the things I know for sure, and admit the things that I don't know. I know it seems that there is a lot of things I can't tell, but I do swear to my master that I won't tell or there will be severing consequences for me as well. But I will help in the area that is within the boundary of what I can say.

I worked in Taipei for nearly a year, and I have worked in China, and in Singapore and in Malaysia and in Hong Kong and in Thailand.

So, maybe I don't know about Asian people as I have only lived there, and studied there and worked there.

And believe me I know how rude and arrogant some Asian people can be.

 

[chiahsieh]

Yijing school??　Not sure what you are talking about, but I'm not in yi-jing school, my master taught me face to face, one to one. Do beware of many yijing schools in asia, a lot of them are gold diggers. Be wise, be selective.

Crape-Myrtle?? That's the translation of "ziwei" Is that a Yijing school? Curious...

 

[chiahsieh]

I guess we are all right.

Yup. And welcome. :bows:

 

[chiahsieh]

Thank you for the nice and polite explanation. I guess I'm not really used to it the style of westerner. There is constant debate too among the place I'm originate from; however, just not as um direct.

I know that people has various background, and I know that Chinese's reading may not necessary appropriate applied to westerners due to fundamental culture reason. I have spend decades of studying also, I know it is sometimes quite difficult to adjust. For example, a member from this board enmedio de la tierra just enlighten me possible new way of interpretation. All I need is just time to experiment. I don't know if it will work, so when it work I will share with everyone online.

Again, there are weird rules and restrictions when one follows a master. My master just happen to be one of them. I swear to him not to tell/teach things to others unless this and that (yes he even produce me a rule book). I know it may sounds bizarre, but it is the truth. I will speak and point out things within the boundary if I can. Also keep in mind, I'm only human. I make mistakes also, there are times I make wrong reading myself. It seems that I can produce accurate reading for others, but I often have difficulties reading my own problem. I believe it is because I cared for it way too much that I can't keep my head straight.

Chiahsieh, as you might have noticed, Westerners tend to be more frank and direct in their opinions. Sometimes, even stepping into the terrain of "impoliteness." That should be one of the first lessons to be learned when you come fresh from an Asian set-up. Once that is learned, then you would take things from where they come and accept them as the way people expresses. So, don't take things here too seriously when they come in the form of a criticism as they should not be personal attacks.

Also, remember that many of the people here have spent decades using and studying the Yijing, both from the Western as well as from the Chinese/Asian perspective. Not always a Chinese/Asian perspective or take on the Yijing is better than a Western one, regardless of the origin of the oracle. That's why is good to share information and discuss it, without the pretense, as some do here, that they are always correct.

I like to learn what you've learned from your teachers and I will take the information in the context of where it originates. And respect you for that.

 

[Sparhawk]

Yijing school??　Not sure what you are talking about, but I'm not in yi-jing school, my master taught me face to face, one to one. Do beware of many yijing schools in asia, a lot of them are gold diggers. Be wise, be selective.

LOL! No, no... I was asking you if "crape-myrtle" was a good translation for 紫薇. Another possibility would be "purple fern." How would you translate those two characters? And more important, what is 紫薇? Can you explain that for us?

Other than that, I agree with you about "schools." Nice for you to have found a good teacher.

 

[chiahsieh]

Oh trust me my master is a gold digger as well. In fact he is really good at feng shui, and my master actually don't have a good destiny. Yet, he uses feng shui and make himself proper into a millionaire (I guess one can never tell his is financially well base on his look and appearances). Sigh...

Oh purple fern.... uh I don't know it's um awkward, but yeah you can call it purple ferns. Again there are many ways to make fortune prediction to see what you are born with. 紫薇 is one of them, it is a made up astrology bases on long lost art (maybe some hidden master still know it) of 七政四餘. Even 紫薇 has many different approaches people constantly debate about which way is the right way, and everyone claims they are the true way. People from Taiwan and possibly hong kong like 紫薇，where as people from mainland China likes 八字 (eight words method). 紫薇 is very similar to Astrology actually; thus, as you can imagine 紫薇 is a star symbolizing the emperor.

I'm still in the process of learning, my knowledge is still approximately medium, so I will not call myself an expert on it.

LOL! No, no... I was asking you if "crape-myrtle" was a good translation for 紫薇. Another possibility would be "purple fern." How would you translate those two characters? And more important, what is 紫薇? Can you explain that for us?

Other than that, I agree with you about "schools." Nice for you to have found a good teacher.

 

[dobro p]

And you have to agree respecting each other will be a nicer way to communicate isn't it?

That's right. I've made that same mistake so many times myself I've almost learned it. But I'm still hoping to outgrow it.

 

[byzantine]

Hi all,

This is an interesting thread. I've been using the yijing regularly for a few years. From my personal experience, I've always read multiple changing lines in sequence from bottom to top as if they were a chain of events.

For example if i were to cast a question on what my week would be like and I got Hex 48, lines 1, 4, 5 and 6 to Hex 14, I would take it to mean that the lines will be the various incidents that I will face during the week, with the last incident being Hex 14 itself. Sometimes they happen in quick succession, other times they are more spread out.

Thus far this approach has worked well for me. Just my two cents to the topic.

 

[dobro p]

The reason the example you gave illustrates your style of reading so well is because the example is about time. However, how would you interpret the same hexagram and lines you used in your example if your question had been something like:

"What do I need to know about marrying this girl?"

 

[fkegan]

What doesn't come in steps, stages or other timing sequences?

The reason the example you gave illustrates your style of reading so well is because the example is about time. However, how would you interpret the same hexagram and lines you used in your example if your question had been something like:

"What do I need to know about marrying this girl?"

Hi Dobro,
I would suggest everything has a time or sequence to it. So the line sequence in terms of what to know about making a commitment would also have a first insight and then a second and so on up through the lines of your Yi Oracle.

That to all things there is a season; and even a journey of a ten thousand li is all about taking the first step and then the next; is pretty much universal wisdom...

Frank

 

[dobro p]

Hi Dobro,
I would suggest everything has a time or sequence to it.

Everything on the level of mind has a time or sequence to it, yes. But not every reader works as well using time sequences on all questions.

 

[byzantine]

The reason the example you gave illustrates your style of reading so well is because the example is about time. However, how would you interpret the same hexagram and lines you used in your example if your question had been something like:

"What do I need to know about marrying this girl?"

Hi Dobro,

This is a fair question. If I ever encountered such a situation as you presented, the first thing i would do is to ask, what lies ahead for me in my marriage with this girl. Generally I would set a time frame say from 2009-2015 for example. The answer would be a time sequence I can easily understand.

But one answer may not completely reflect the entire situation. I would also go on to ask how will I feel in my marriage to this girl from 2009-2015. Again the answer would not be too difficult to comprehend. I would also ask the question from her point of view to get a fuller picture.

I suppose all this while I have tried to ascertain what kind of answer I would need to make my decision and then frame my questions accordingly to get the needed answers. I would then set a time frame as a boundary to focus my question. As the image of Hex 60 (wilhelm) suggests: "Unlimited possibilities are not suited to man; if they existed, his life would only dissolve in the boundless"

If i were to frame my question the way you have "What do I need to know about marrying this girl?" and had gotten Hex 48, lines 1, 4, 5, 6 to Hex 14, I would take it to mean that this union requires a fair amount of work. I would base this on the nuclear Hexagram 38 which indicates a certain amount of opposition or differences.

Lines 1 and 4 could suggest the initial work that needs to be done on the relationship.

Lines 5, 6 and Hex 14 could mean that I would have to be the source of nourishment and to love her deeply enough to manage her strong nature as Hex 14 suggests.

In my opinion, both methods would yield similar results. In this case, I just prefer to consider the situations that would arise and the feelings involved within a time frame in making my decisions. Again this approach has worked for me and others may have methods they are more comfortable with.

 

[goddessliss]

This is such an interesting thread - especially for beginners like me - thks to all who posted here and shared their opinions and experience -Liss x