More work? 50.2.3.5 >12

[elizabeth]

I'm trying to gain insights into what is going on and, based on that, how to (re)act.

A few weeks ago I started contracting for a new company. I loved it. Then the work stopped coming.

I have written them twice since then and received no response. I would like to discuss this with them as I want to continue the work. (I'm jumping over massive details here to get to the point)

I asked the Yi a few questions:
1) What if i write an apologetic letter (ie grovel)? 57.6 "there will be evil" and 48 the well. I take that as a bad idea.
2) What if i write and ask to speak (again) at a time that is convenient. 50.2.3.5 > 12.
Now that sounded good when I got to line five but then you get the second hex, 12 "stagnation". Meaning it's not going to help the outcome -- meaning they wont continue the working relationship.

Does anyone see this differently?

The lines for 50 as I understand them:
2: line symbolizing the contents of the vessel/cauldron/pot. Wilhelm: "it stands in the relationship of correspondence to the ruler of the hexagram, it must go its own ways as prescribed for it by these relationships. This leads on the other hand to envy from its comrades, the two lines from which it is separated by inner relationships. But being quite free of possible entanglements and shielded by the strong relationships to the ruler, it need fear nothing"
3: "This describes a man who, in a highly evolved civilization, finds himself in a place where no one notices or recognizes him. This is a severe block to his effectiveness. All of his good qualities and gifts of mind thus needlessly go to waste. But if he will only see to it that he is possessed of something truly spiritual, the time is bound to come, sooner or later, when the difficulties will be resolved and all will go well. The fall of rain symbolizes here, as in other instances, release of tension."
5: The vessel with gold ears and bronze handle. Constancy bears fruit.’ > a man who is approachable and modest in nature. As a result of this attitude he succeeds in finding strong and able helpers who complement and aid him in his work. Having achieved this attitude, which requires constant self-abnegation, it is important for him to hold to it and not let himself be led astray. (!!!) YAY! But wait, then we get:

12 stagnation. Blech.

Am I correct in surmising the Yi is saying that in this case, this relationship is lost?

 

[juaneros]

Hi Elizabeth:

Well, I usually focus on the middle line where there is three, but other do it differently. For me the middle line (3rd) is saying is that something that was there before is missing, which is the handle. So you may have a lot to offer, but there is no longer a way to offer it. Once the rain has come, you will not worry about it... and in the end you're in a better situation. Hexagram 12 can also indicate your present situation, or also it might indicate your contractors, maybe they are not the right of people to do deals with, maybe they are being a bit shady, especially if they are not offering you a response. You can also look at the fan yao... sometimes I do, maybe it can help, which is 64.3 in this case, which kind of says there was never a real completion made with your guys' deal, and if you attack that will bring misfortune. It is better to move along. Well, hopefully it helps a bit, I was just interested in your question and answer you got. Good luck though, wish everything works out with you.

 

[ginnie]

50.2.3.5 > 12.

Am I correct in surmising the Yi is saying that in this case, this relationship is lost?

Maybe not. It could be that an important person is sick and indisposed to the point that he or she cannot contact you at this time. One often gets hex 12 when the other person is sick, because sickness obstructs the lines of communication.

 

[Lavalamp]

I had a 12 situation where it turned out the other person had been heavily medicated for quite a while, and so real communication was very difficult.

 

[elizabeth]

*really*? I had never ever considered 12 meaning something like this -- such as a person is out sick or cannot reply. I honestly believe/felt/intuited that they are mad/upset at me and figure "i'm not going to even bother replying to her." That is how I've felt. (Then again that's always how i feel if someone disappears!) I go over and over in my brain how to handle it, what to do...bc i really want(ed) that client back.

Well what you said Juaneros is true -- there was something good (at least, as i saw it), and now it's gone. I was thinking last night how this could be for the better too -- wondering if that is what this is about, ie what would it be like if i DID get them back, would that be a good thing? I cant see how it would be bad bc they seem to have a lot of good reviews online.

However some of what happened to me is very shady, as you noted. They onboarded me really fast and loaded me with a ton of work ---I was shocked bc they're a huge company, do they really not have anyone else in their contracting network to do it all? but fine by me! i liked the work and the remuneration was good -- and then came back and said they found errors -- and when I questioned them they said "well they werent errors per se" and then tried to walk around the issue and say that even though they weren't errors I did it incorrectly (two weeks after the completion of that project). It was bizarre, i've neer had a client do that. And then DURING those dissussions they said they wanted to keep working with me...and then disappeared. So I have no clue what is going on, truly.

I'm going to hope this is a case of 'its for the best' and move on. But its tough now as work is very hard to come by. Thanks everyone for your replies...

 

[elizabeth]

Soooo, to get *some sort of communication going* today I emailed my very first contact at the company and said I enjoyed my work with them a few weeks ago, looked forward to long term collaboration and wanted to confirm i'm still on their list since i haven't heard anything.

No response yet. But if I get one, I will post back. Note to self: it's going to be PRETTY BAD if there is no response from this lady!

 

[ginnie]

What if i write and ask to speak (again) at a time that is convenient. 50.2.3.5 > 12. 12 stagnation. Blech.

Despite the 12, you got 50.5 -- and I take that to mean that you'll be successful and obtain the position you want.

People have misconceptions about 12. Although usually it does mean that relationships are strained and ending, it can also mean that the lines of communication are down for other reasons. Maybe later you'll find out what has brought about the current confusion in the way they communicate with you. First they say one thing, then they say the opposite. 12 is indeed what you have now -- and have been experiencing for some time.

 

[elizabeth]

Despite the 12, you got 50.5 -- and I take that to mean that you'll be successful and obtain the position you want. [...] 12 is indeed what you have now -- and have been experiencing for some time.

Hi Ginnie ~ that sure is true, stagnation all the way. I hope you are right about 50.5. Today I had a first job from a new client - no promise of future work but every little bit helps. If i do learn (even 6 mos from now) why that employer/client just disappeared, or if they ever DO reply to me, i'll loop back to this thread. I can understand a delayed reply to an employee or contractor. But no matter what line of business you're in, *no reply* is just not good form. What is strange is this company has a lot of other positive reviews by other contractors, but maybe their turnover rate is so high for a reason (ie it's good for the few hours you do work for them, then, "buh bye').

Here is to ending this stagnation in 2012...

 

[ginnie]

How Much You Can Tolerate

*no reply* is just not good form.

Absolutely not. This points to some kind of serious deficit in their organization, that they don't know when a reply is called for. In my business life, I've run across quite a few clients like this. What you can do with them or for them is, therefore, a question of how much of this behavior you can tolerate, I'm afraid.

 

[elizabeth]

Totally agree. (and thanks for making me feel better!)
One of the *four* emails I sent should have gotten a response. If the project managers are too busy, then the first contact should have replied and if she didnt have an answer for me, could have provided another name. Instead utter silence. Really really strange. I honestly (luckily) have never encountered this before. If only the market weren't as bad as it is now, I would not have even thought twice about it.

But, I'm moving on, in any case....

 

[ginnie]

If only the market weren't as bad as it is now, I would not have even thought twice about it.

But, I'm moving on, in any case....

Yes, the bad market makes for strange bedfellows ... When you become enmeshed in a 12 situation, the text says to refuse their money, you know. I'm glad you're moving on.

I guess the 50.5, which is the complement of the "solid" 50.2 below, indicates another work relationship entirely. Line 50.5 is said to indicate repair of the damage caused in lines three and four moving. Please post to let us know what happens ...